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		<title>By: MrPerkins</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/pakistan-it-could-not-succeed-unless-india-failed/comment-page-1#comment-86073</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the hindu fundamentalists on here such as Carney who talk ridiculously of &quot;breaking up&quot; Pakistan in the interests of &quot;harmony&quot; perhaps would be better served by mooting breaking up India as clearly the alliance of regions far removed from each other in terms of culture, language, economics does not work. Assam, Kashmir and Tamil Nadu are clear candidates and Bengal should be integrated with Bangladesh. In time this will happen as George Friedlander, actually a reputable journalist, unlike the authors of this site, predicted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the hindu fundamentalists on here such as Carney who talk ridiculously of &#8220;breaking up&#8221; Pakistan in the interests of &#8220;harmony&#8221; perhaps would be better served by mooting breaking up India as clearly the alliance of regions far removed from each other in terms of culture, language, economics does not work. Assam, Kashmir and Tamil Nadu are clear candidates and Bengal should be integrated with Bangladesh. In time this will happen as George Friedlander, actually a reputable journalist, unlike the authors of this site, predicted</p>
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		<title>By: MrPerkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrPerkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Pakistan the ancient buddhist sites are preserved , the ancient relics and archaelogical sites of Mohenjo-daro and the Gandhara civilisation are preserved for the inevitable day when Indian led terrorist activity stops and tourists are welcomed. Pakistan continues to honour the birth and burial sites of the sikh gurus.

One day when India stops its aggression and allows Pakistan to open up to tourists, Pakistan will be the number one site for religious pilgramage for buddhists and sikhs and hindus and any one with a interest in history.
If Pakistan was as anti secular as the purveyors of hate and lies here such as Kapil and Frum make out, they would have destroyed these relics and sites a long time ago instead they continue to be preserved at great cost.

Hindustanis have never forgiven Jinnah for taking away what they see as sacred Hindu lands and will never be content until they forceably destroy Pakistan and hence the reason for hate filled sanctimonious blogs like this laughably masquerading as impartial journalism. Shame on you Kapil dont insult your own intelligence with your Indian propoganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Pakistan the ancient buddhist sites are preserved , the ancient relics and archaelogical sites of Mohenjo-daro and the Gandhara civilisation are preserved for the inevitable day when Indian led terrorist activity stops and tourists are welcomed. Pakistan continues to honour the birth and burial sites of the sikh gurus.</p>
<p>One day when India stops its aggression and allows Pakistan to open up to tourists, Pakistan will be the number one site for religious pilgramage for buddhists and sikhs and hindus and any one with a interest in history.<br />
If Pakistan was as anti secular as the purveyors of hate and lies here such as Kapil and Frum make out, they would have destroyed these relics and sites a long time ago instead they continue to be preserved at great cost.</p>
<p>Hindustanis have never forgiven Jinnah for taking away what they see as sacred Hindu lands and will never be content until they forceably destroy Pakistan and hence the reason for hate filled sanctimonious blogs like this laughably masquerading as impartial journalism. Shame on you Kapil dont insult your own intelligence with your Indian propoganda.</p>
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		<title>By: MrPerkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrPerkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant help agreeing with evolving primate as Im sure other neutral observers will.
We British recognised the muslims righteous claims to seperate homelands.

Its lamentable that the hindu fundamentalists of whom Mr Kapil Commireadies is clearly a mouthpiece cannot get over this fundamental point and instead resort to ridiculous articles such as this series on Pakistan which is devoid of any semblance of journalistic integrity or balance.


Many would wager that despite all the bleatings by economists with  900 million people living in abject slum dog poverty with less of a voice than the all important 75 million middle class , and regular sectarian killings and tensions, India is perhaps the failed state?

In fact more reputable and integrity conscious geo politics experts than yourselves have made the prediction that India will eventually split as this economic divide continues.

I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you can claim with a straight face that India is a beacon of secular harmony. I suppose the sikh outrages of the 80’s, the Assamese seperatist movement, the continued indian army genocide in kashmir, let alone the burning of a train load of muslims in Gujarat to name but a few outrages  has passed you by????

Im sure the muslims of Kashmir who form 80% of the population would disagree with you that they have a more prosperous life than Bangladeshi and Pakistani muslims who breathe the fresh air of emancipation from Hindu fundamentalists and their propoganda such as propogated by you Mr Kapil.

Lets see India is such a harmonious country since partition it has had 2 wars with China, a war with Portugal, and 3 wars with Pakistan. To this day it continues meddling in Pakistans internal affairs and supporting terrrorist activity all the while attempting through ridiculous blogs like this to break up Pakistan.

By the way someone send a straightjacket over for Netizen. Frankly with his logic if he had a braincell it would die of lonliness.

Pakistan could succeed only if India failed – and India did not fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant help agreeing with evolving primate as Im sure other neutral observers will.<br />
We British recognised the muslims righteous claims to seperate homelands.</p>
<p>Its lamentable that the hindu fundamentalists of whom Mr Kapil Commireadies is clearly a mouthpiece cannot get over this fundamental point and instead resort to ridiculous articles such as this series on Pakistan which is devoid of any semblance of journalistic integrity or balance.</p>
<p>Many would wager that despite all the bleatings by economists with  900 million people living in abject slum dog poverty with less of a voice than the all important 75 million middle class , and regular sectarian killings and tensions, India is perhaps the failed state?</p>
<p>In fact more reputable and integrity conscious geo politics experts than yourselves have made the prediction that India will eventually split as this economic divide continues.</p>
<p>I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you can claim with a straight face that India is a beacon of secular harmony. I suppose the sikh outrages of the 80’s, the Assamese seperatist movement, the continued indian army genocide in kashmir, let alone the burning of a train load of muslims in Gujarat to name but a few outrages  has passed you by????</p>
<p>Im sure the muslims of Kashmir who form 80% of the population would disagree with you that they have a more prosperous life than Bangladeshi and Pakistani muslims who breathe the fresh air of emancipation from Hindu fundamentalists and their propoganda such as propogated by you Mr Kapil.</p>
<p>Lets see India is such a harmonious country since partition it has had 2 wars with China, a war with Portugal, and 3 wars with Pakistan. To this day it continues meddling in Pakistans internal affairs and supporting terrrorist activity all the while attempting through ridiculous blogs like this to break up Pakistan.</p>
<p>By the way someone send a straightjacket over for Netizen. Frankly with his logic if he had a braincell it would die of lonliness.</p>
<p>Pakistan could succeed only if India failed – and India did not fail.</p>
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		<title>By: harkol</title>
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		<dc:creator>harkol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evolvingprimate:

&gt;This is your India

Nice red herring. Babri Mosque demolition was shameful to India, because India feels shame in aberrational actions such as these.

However, consider this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan

- Ethnic Cleansing in Pakistan: At Independence India has just above 10% muslims, and today it has close to 13.8%.. A growth of more than 30%.Pakistan had above 18% Hindus and today it has less than 2% a decline of more than 90%.  Where did the millions of Hindus disappear in Pakistan?  How is Muslim population growing in India if they are discriminated against and How did a Muslim became president of India?

- Third rate citizenship for Hindus: Pakistan treats hindu&#039;s as a Third class citizens behind christians who have better rights than Hindus. In India Minorities enjoy same privileges as everyone, but special protection by constitution, however in Pakistan there are no constitutional safe guards and there are Blasphemy laws that restrict practice of any other religion than Islam in Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evolvingprimate:</p>
<p>&gt;This is your India</p>
<p>Nice red herring. Babri Mosque demolition was shameful to India, because India feels shame in aberrational actions such as these.</p>
<p>However, consider this &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan</a></p>
<p>- Ethnic Cleansing in Pakistan: At Independence India has just above 10% muslims, and today it has close to 13.8%.. A growth of more than 30%.Pakistan had above 18% Hindus and today it has less than 2% a decline of more than 90%.  Where did the millions of Hindus disappear in Pakistan?  How is Muslim population growing in India if they are discriminated against and How did a Muslim became president of India?</p>
<p>- Third rate citizenship for Hindus: Pakistan treats hindu&#8217;s as a Third class citizens behind christians who have better rights than Hindus. In India Minorities enjoy same privileges as everyone, but special protection by constitution, however in Pakistan there are no constitutional safe guards and there are Blasphemy laws that restrict practice of any other religion than Islam in Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too late to re-integrate Pakistan into India.  Instead, it should be broken up into its constituent ethnic groups.  Continue the process begun by the secession of the Bengalis.

With the Pushtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan united into a single state, and the other groups surrounding them joining their co-ethnic neighbors, the area  would be a lot more cohesive and stable.  The Pushtun especially would have a nation-state, with no inner border to evade the law and foster smuggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too late to re-integrate Pakistan into India.  Instead, it should be broken up into its constituent ethnic groups.  Continue the process begun by the secession of the Bengalis.</p>
<p>With the Pushtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan united into a single state, and the other groups surrounding them joining their co-ethnic neighbors, the area  would be a lot more cohesive and stable.  The Pushtun especially would have a nation-state, with no inner border to evade the law and foster smuggling.</p>
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		<title>By: netizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>netizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evolving primate,
As Kapil points out it is true some in India want it to turn it into &quot;Hindu Pakistan&quot;. The foundations of India and its roots are stronger than that.

Look what you have produced! A completely hopeless terrorist country! pakistani= terrorist, pakistan= terroristan! And on life supoort from the infidels.

Coming to Jinnah, no matter how many years you try to dress up a pig it will remain a pig. The fact that Gandhi died at the hands of a Hindu assasin only shows what a great man he was and what he died for. 

That has nothing to do with the fact Jinnah was a hate monger, communalist in the 30s and 40s. He was an elitist, authoritarian, irascible reckless man, i mean monster. And his product speaks for him. We don&#039;t have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evolving primate,<br />
As Kapil points out it is true some in India want it to turn it into &#8220;Hindu Pakistan&#8221;. The foundations of India and its roots are stronger than that.</p>
<p>Look what you have produced! A completely hopeless terrorist country! pakistani= terrorist, pakistan= terroristan! And on life supoort from the infidels.</p>
<p>Coming to Jinnah, no matter how many years you try to dress up a pig it will remain a pig. The fact that Gandhi died at the hands of a Hindu assasin only shows what a great man he was and what he died for. </p>
<p>That has nothing to do with the fact Jinnah was a hate monger, communalist in the 30s and 40s. He was an elitist, authoritarian, irascible reckless man, i mean monster. And his product speaks for him. We don&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: evolvingprimate</title>
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		<dc:creator>evolvingprimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitizen,

This is your India

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/6/newsid_3712000/3712777.stm

Thankfully, Pakistanis have Pakistan where they are free from Hindu-fascists like the RSS and Mr Modi. Thank Jinnah for that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitizen,</p>
<p>This is your India</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/6/newsid_3712000/3712777.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/6/newsid_3712000/3712777.stm</a></p>
<p>Thankfully, Pakistanis have Pakistan where they are free from Hindu-fascists like the RSS and Mr Modi. Thank Jinnah for that</p>
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		<title>By: evolvingprimate</title>
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		<dc:creator>evolvingprimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pathetic attempt at a cheap misinformation against Pakistan and the man who led made the creation of Pakistan possible. The violence and massacre between Muslims and Hindus were being instigated by both sides and millions of people both Hindus and Muslims died. I don&#039;t know why Mr. Kapil Komireddi has failed to mention that GHANDI DIED AT THE HANDS OF A HINDU-EXTREMIST ASSASSIN. Jinnah was a respected statesman throughout the world and the fact that massacres against Muslims and other minorities continues unabated in India is a testimony to his leadership and vision. Perhaps, Mr. Kapil Komireddi should investigate about the Gujrat, the rise of the RSS that hails Hitler, female infanticide and the raising violence against  Christians within India, instead of manufacturing misinformation about Pakistan.

Is this what the liberal left is all about? Continous degradation and misinformation about Pakistan? Sad to see frumforum being used as a tool to smear and attack the ONLY COUNTRY THAT PAYS WITH ITS LIVES AND PROPERTIES FIGHTING AGAINST THE TALIBAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pathetic attempt at a cheap misinformation against Pakistan and the man who led made the creation of Pakistan possible. The violence and massacre between Muslims and Hindus were being instigated by both sides and millions of people both Hindus and Muslims died. I don&#8217;t know why Mr. Kapil Komireddi has failed to mention that GHANDI DIED AT THE HANDS OF A HINDU-EXTREMIST ASSASSIN. Jinnah was a respected statesman throughout the world and the fact that massacres against Muslims and other minorities continues unabated in India is a testimony to his leadership and vision. Perhaps, Mr. Kapil Komireddi should investigate about the Gujrat, the rise of the RSS that hails Hitler, female infanticide and the raising violence against  Christians within India, instead of manufacturing misinformation about Pakistan.</p>
<p>Is this what the liberal left is all about? Continous degradation and misinformation about Pakistan? Sad to see frumforum being used as a tool to smear and attack the ONLY COUNTRY THAT PAYS WITH ITS LIVES AND PROPERTIES FIGHTING AGAINST THE TALIBAN.</p>
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		<title>By: netizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>netizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way Imranpakistan,
If you are reading this the best outcome of Mumbai attack is the strengthening of Hindu-Muslim communal harmony among Indians. Did you see the pictures of Indian muslims demanding pakistan 
be declared a terrorist state.

That&#039;s right! Hindu and Muslim Indians united against the terrorist pakistan. what a nightmarish outcome of Jinnah&#039;s &quot;dream&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way Imranpakistan,<br />
If you are reading this the best outcome of Mumbai attack is the strengthening of Hindu-Muslim communal harmony among Indians. Did you see the pictures of Indian muslims demanding pakistan<br />
be declared a terrorist state.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right! Hindu and Muslim Indians united against the terrorist pakistan. what a nightmarish outcome of Jinnah&#8217;s &#8220;dream&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: netizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>netizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Komireddy,
The title itself speaks volumes! Superb.

When the &quot;pakistan&quot; ideology was conceived in the early 20th century, no one remotely imagined
a secular, &quot;Hindu&quot; India which is more united, more powerful militarily and economically.
&quot;Pakistan&quot; was supposed to be the inheritor of glory of erstwhile muslim empires and India
was supposed to break away, a view shared by the British.

What went wrong? Militaristic mindet, megalomania, delusions of grandeur the pak ideologues had
and have plenty. But missing were democracy, doing the hard work to build a nation, building
instituitions, laying foundations for economy, educational infrastrucure and so on.

arvinds wrote :&quot;Gandhi-Nehru made him the monster he later became&quot;
pardone me arvinds. I am afraid that is a rehabilitated image of Jinnah promoted by paks and some in India like Jaswant Singh. It is true Jinnah used to be a secularist, but later on became a hate monger, and a monster only because of his personal ambition.

Ironically and amazingly as you point out the current practitioners of &quot;pakistan ideology&quot; are punjbis who were late comers to the TNT ideology. And the progeny of original ideologues are lost in the illusory present day &quot;pakistan&quot;.

What can India/ Indians do? As the title implies, the hosility of pakistan ideology towards India is implacable.  Nothing the Indians can do will placate the paks .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Komireddy,<br />
The title itself speaks volumes! Superb.</p>
<p>When the &#8220;pakistan&#8221; ideology was conceived in the early 20th century, no one remotely imagined<br />
a secular, &#8220;Hindu&#8221; India which is more united, more powerful militarily and economically.<br />
&#8220;Pakistan&#8221; was supposed to be the inheritor of glory of erstwhile muslim empires and India<br />
was supposed to break away, a view shared by the British.</p>
<p>What went wrong? Militaristic mindet, megalomania, delusions of grandeur the pak ideologues had<br />
and have plenty. But missing were democracy, doing the hard work to build a nation, building<br />
instituitions, laying foundations for economy, educational infrastrucure and so on.</p>
<p>arvinds wrote :&#8221;Gandhi-Nehru made him the monster he later became&#8221;<br />
pardone me arvinds. I am afraid that is a rehabilitated image of Jinnah promoted by paks and some in India like Jaswant Singh. It is true Jinnah used to be a secularist, but later on became a hate monger, and a monster only because of his personal ambition.</p>
<p>Ironically and amazingly as you point out the current practitioners of &#8220;pakistan ideology&#8221; are punjbis who were late comers to the TNT ideology. And the progeny of original ideologues are lost in the illusory present day &#8220;pakistan&#8221;.</p>
<p>What can India/ Indians do? As the title implies, the hosility of pakistan ideology towards India is implacable.  Nothing the Indians can do will placate the paks .</p>
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