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	<title>Comments on: Ottawa Commission Worries About Offending &#8220;Communist Canadians&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/ottawa-commission-worries-about-offending-communist-canadians/comment-page-1#comment-65639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, waitin&#039; on that monument to the victims of Trotskyism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, waitin&#8217; on that monument to the victims of Trotskyism.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hitler cherry-picked the Nietzschean “overman” concept out of Nietzsche, while carefully omitting what Nietzsche thought of anti-Semitism and the German people.&quot;

What part of Hitler&#039;s overman is like the superman Nietzsche described, who was closer to the idea of a renaissance man than a blond barbarian, more ignorant than even Glen Beck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hitler cherry-picked the Nietzschean “overman” concept out of Nietzsche, while carefully omitting what Nietzsche thought of anti-Semitism and the German people.&#8221;</p>
<p>What part of Hitler&#8217;s overman is like the superman Nietzsche described, who was closer to the idea of a renaissance man than a blond barbarian, more ignorant than even Glen Beck?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 thanks for the reply. Since you understand the cause of human behavior could you make some predictions for me, with special emphasis on communist countries? I&#039;d also be interested in the mechanism that ideology uses to interact with the human body, to cause it to do one thing, rather than another.  Is the connection point somewhere in the pineal gland by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 thanks for the reply. Since you understand the cause of human behavior could you make some predictions for me, with special emphasis on communist countries? I&#8217;d also be interested in the mechanism that ideology uses to interact with the human body, to cause it to do one thing, rather than another.  Is the connection point somewhere in the pineal gland by any chance?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derek:  &lt;blockquote&gt; I don’t think they should imply that they understand the cause of war at all, by blaming an ideology. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, brother.

The ideology of anti-Semitism is what led to intimidation, extortion, pogroms, and eventually, mass murder of Jews.  It wasn&#039;t economics or individual Jews making asses of themselves.  It was the view, held by European Christians for centuries, that the Jews had Jesus murdered.

The &quot;Lebensraum&quot; ideology of Nazism led Germany, under Hitler, to try to acquire a vast slave empire by force.  The theory of Aryan race superiority suggested how the subjects of that empire would be treated.

The Communist ideology of Lenin subordinated the individual to the will of the state.  I&#039;ve actually discussed this issue with real Marxists, and they ADMIT that Leninism is incompatible with separation of powers, a concept which we Americans have always believed is key to limiting the power of government to oppress the individual.

Once you subordinate the individual to the will of the state, with no countervailing powers to provide balance, the GULAG follows more or less inevitably--much as murder of the Jews follows from anti-Semitism and national paranoia.

The Trotskyite ideology of &quot;permanent revolution&quot; claimed that the Soviet revolution in Russia could not exist for long in a world of hostile capitalist states.  Communism in any one country can only succeed indefinitely if it succeeds everywhere.  Hence Communism must always be expansionist.  The result was Soviet imperialism, from the conquest of the Baltic States in the 1930s to the Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939 to the conquest of Eastern Europe in the 1940s and 1950s to the takeovers of Cuba, Angola, El Salvador and Afghanistan.

Philosophy matters.  Ideology matters.  And the Nazi and Communist ideologies both inevitably lead to imperialism, bloodbaths and terror--though by different routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derek:   I don’t think they should imply that they understand the cause of war at all, by blaming an ideology.<br />
Oh, brother.</p>
<p>The ideology of anti-Semitism is what led to intimidation, extortion, pogroms, and eventually, mass murder of Jews.  It wasn&#8217;t economics or individual Jews making asses of themselves.  It was the view, held by European Christians for centuries, that the Jews had Jesus murdered.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Lebensraum&#8221; ideology of Nazism led Germany, under Hitler, to try to acquire a vast slave empire by force.  The theory of Aryan race superiority suggested how the subjects of that empire would be treated.</p>
<p>The Communist ideology of Lenin subordinated the individual to the will of the state.  I&#8217;ve actually discussed this issue with real Marxists, and they ADMIT that Leninism is incompatible with separation of powers, a concept which we Americans have always believed is key to limiting the power of government to oppress the individual.</p>
<p>Once you subordinate the individual to the will of the state, with no countervailing powers to provide balance, the GULAG follows more or less inevitably&#8211;much as murder of the Jews follows from anti-Semitism and national paranoia.</p>
<p>The Trotskyite ideology of &#8220;permanent revolution&#8221; claimed that the Soviet revolution in Russia could not exist for long in a world of hostile capitalist states.  Communism in any one country can only succeed indefinitely if it succeeds everywhere.  Hence Communism must always be expansionist.  The result was Soviet imperialism, from the conquest of the Baltic States in the 1930s to the Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939 to the conquest of Eastern Europe in the 1940s and 1950s to the takeovers of Cuba, Angola, El Salvador and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Philosophy matters.  Ideology matters.  And the Nazi and Communist ideologies both inevitably lead to imperialism, bloodbaths and terror&#8211;though by different routes.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derek: &lt;blockquote&gt; Have you ever read Nietzsche &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, I have.

&quot;I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? … All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood, and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment. And man shall be that to overman: a laughingstock or painful embarrassment.&quot;
    -- Thus Spake Zarathrustra

Hitler cherry-picked the Nietzschean &quot;overman&quot; concept out of Nietzsche, while carefully omitting what Nietzsche thought of anti-Semitism and the German people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derek:  Have you ever read Nietzsche<br />
Yes, I have.</p>
<p>&#8220;I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? … All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood, and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment. And man shall be that to overman: a laughingstock or painful embarrassment.&#8221;<br />
    &#8212; Thus Spake Zarathrustra</p>
<p>Hitler cherry-picked the Nietzschean &#8220;overman&#8221; concept out of Nietzsche, while carefully omitting what Nietzsche thought of anti-Semitism and the German people.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I offend Communists daily.....as should everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I offend Communists daily&#8230;..as should everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>torourke I don&#039;t think they should imply that they understand the cause of war at all, by blaming an ideology. If we understood the cause of human behavior the social sciences would have some predictive power, and they don&#039;t. Not even the economists understand human behavior, because they certainly can&#039;t predict the future. I think it is better to pay homage, and leave ideology out of it. If you just have to blame something, why not blame manic depression, malformed DNA molecules, or perhaps, Satan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>torourke I don&#8217;t think they should imply that they understand the cause of war at all, by blaming an ideology. If we understood the cause of human behavior the social sciences would have some predictive power, and they don&#8217;t. Not even the economists understand human behavior, because they certainly can&#8217;t predict the future. I think it is better to pay homage, and leave ideology out of it. If you just have to blame something, why not blame manic depression, malformed DNA molecules, or perhaps, Satan?</p>
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		<title>By: torourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>torourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine with me Derek, now how about answering my questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine with me Derek, now how about answering my questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>torourke why don&#039;t they put up a memorial for all the people who died in Iraq because of neoconservatism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>torourke why don&#8217;t they put up a memorial for all the people who died in Iraq because of neoconservatism?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and the Nietzschean worship of the superman.&quot;

You may be even crazier than Worthington. Have you ever read Nietzsche, or are you relying on Glen Beck for most of your history? If you are referring to what Nietzsche&#039;s sister did to distort his philosophy then maybe you can stretch your point to fit the crazy conspiratorial crowd that has taken over conservatism, and driven the rest of us out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and the Nietzschean worship of the superman.&#8221;</p>
<p>You may be even crazier than Worthington. Have you ever read Nietzsche, or are you relying on Glen Beck for most of your history? If you are referring to what Nietzsche&#8217;s sister did to distort his philosophy then maybe you can stretch your point to fit the crazy conspiratorial crowd that has taken over conservatism, and driven the rest of us out.</p>
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