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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-obamacare/comment-page-1#comment-57203</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Jul 26, 2009 at 10:56 am 
&quot;He was stupid enough to launch into a totally inappropriate, racially inflammatory, rant during his last presser&quot;

...........A rant?......if you say so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Jul 26, 2009 at 10:56 am<br />
&#8220;He was stupid enough to launch into a totally inappropriate, racially inflammatory, rant during his last presser&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..A rant?&#8230;&#8230;if you say so</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbvs sez:  &quot;He [Obama] is not that stupid&quot;

He was stupid enough to launch into a totally inappropriate, racially inflammatory, rant during his last presser.

And Obama is now learning the hard way that this isn&#039;t 1933.  The problems with the U.S. economy have NOT convinced the public that the nation has to move sharply to the left on just about everything.  They&#039;ve had 70 years of experience with government incompetence and waste at all levels of government, that they are going to need a lot of convincing that ObamaCare isn&#039;t &quot;just another one of those&quot; government programs.

Unfortunately, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbvs sez:  &#8220;He [Obama] is not that stupid&#8221;</p>
<p>He was stupid enough to launch into a totally inappropriate, racially inflammatory, rant during his last presser.</p>
<p>And Obama is now learning the hard way that this isn&#8217;t 1933.  The problems with the U.S. economy have NOT convinced the public that the nation has to move sharply to the left on just about everything.  They&#8217;ve had 70 years of experience with government incompetence and waste at all levels of government, that they are going to need a lot of convincing that ObamaCare isn&#8217;t &#8220;just another one of those&#8221; government programs.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Jul 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm 

&quot;Maybe Obama should do what Bush did, and hang a banner reading “Mission Accomplished.”


..........He&#039;s not that stupid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Jul 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe Obama should do what Bush did, and hang a banner reading “Mission Accomplished.”</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.He&#8217;s not that stupid</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-obamacare/comment-page-1#comment-57138</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbvs sez: &quot;Basically true and 75% there&quot;

Maybe Obama should do what Bush did, and hang a banner reading &quot;Mission Accomplished.&quot;

As an engineer, I saw many a project that was supposedly &quot;75% completed&quot;, remain stuck indefinitely struggling with that last 25%.  That&#039;s because it&#039;s tempting for a project manager (whether it&#039;s a computer project, the Iraq War, or ObamaCare) to keep picking the low-hanging fruit that&#039;s easy to do, in order to maintain a facade of progress.  You do the 75% easy things and boast you&#039;re &quot;75% completed.&quot;  But eventually all the low-hanging fruit has been picked, and the hard problems still remain unsolved.  Then the &quot;stuff&quot; really hits the fan.

In the case of ObamaCare, the &quot;stuff&quot; hit the fan when the Congressional Budget Office admitted that ObamaCare wasn&#039;t going to reduce costs, but increase them.  How you give generous health care to tens of millions of the currently uninsured while reducing costs for everybody else is a conundrum that so far hasn&#039;t been solved.

Liberals actually thought that the prospect of universal coverage would be so alluring to the public that they wouldn&#039;t ask about the cost or the effect on the currently insured.  That&#039;s the same mistake Clinton made in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbvs sez: &#8220;Basically true and 75% there&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Obama should do what Bush did, and hang a banner reading &#8220;Mission Accomplished.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an engineer, I saw many a project that was supposedly &#8220;75% completed&#8221;, remain stuck indefinitely struggling with that last 25%.  That&#8217;s because it&#8217;s tempting for a project manager (whether it&#8217;s a computer project, the Iraq War, or ObamaCare) to keep picking the low-hanging fruit that&#8217;s easy to do, in order to maintain a facade of progress.  You do the 75% easy things and boast you&#8217;re &#8220;75% completed.&#8221;  But eventually all the low-hanging fruit has been picked, and the hard problems still remain unsolved.  Then the &#8220;stuff&#8221; really hits the fan.</p>
<p>In the case of ObamaCare, the &#8220;stuff&#8221; hit the fan when the Congressional Budget Office admitted that ObamaCare wasn&#8217;t going to reduce costs, but increase them.  How you give generous health care to tens of millions of the currently uninsured while reducing costs for everybody else is a conundrum that so far hasn&#8217;t been solved.</p>
<p>Liberals actually thought that the prospect of universal coverage would be so alluring to the public that they wouldn&#8217;t ask about the cost or the effect on the currently insured.  That&#8217;s the same mistake Clinton made in 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-obamacare/comment-page-1#comment-57126</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Jul 25, 2009 at 10:01 am 
&quot;What Obama is trying to do–totally remake health care in America in just the first 7 months of his Administration–is unprecedented.&quot;

........Basically true and 75% there........and addressing other huge issues too like two wars/occupations, the greatest financial/economic crisis since the thirties, the collapse of the US auto industry, rebuilding our international standing, cap and trade, but lets&#039;s talk about Henry Louis Gates or Obama&#039;s birth certificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Jul 25, 2009 at 10:01 am<br />
&#8220;What Obama is trying to do–totally remake health care in America in just the first 7 months of his Administration–is unprecedented.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..Basically true and 75% there&#8230;&#8230;..and addressing other huge issues too like two wars/occupations, the greatest financial/economic crisis since the thirties, the collapse of the US auto industry, rebuilding our international standing, cap and trade, but lets&#8217;s talk about Henry Louis Gates or Obama&#8217;s birth certificate.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Sputnik, there was bipartisan support for beating the Russians to the moon.  Notice how this goal was backed by four Presidents from two different parties:  Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.  There was no widespread opposition to this goal in any Congress of that time period either.

Whereas there is nothing bipartisan about the health care reform bill that Obama is trying to push through.  It really does resemble how LBJ rammed Medicare through a Congress controlled by his own party, after having won a landslide electoral victory.  And yet, even that took 18 months to pass.

Social Security wasn&#039;t passed in the first year of FDR&#039;s administration either.

What Obama is trying to do--totally remake health care in America in just the first 7 months of his Administration--is unprecedented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Sputnik, there was bipartisan support for beating the Russians to the moon.  Notice how this goal was backed by four Presidents from two different parties:  Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon.  There was no widespread opposition to this goal in any Congress of that time period either.</p>
<p>Whereas there is nothing bipartisan about the health care reform bill that Obama is trying to push through.  It really does resemble how LBJ rammed Medicare through a Congress controlled by his own party, after having won a landslide electoral victory.  And yet, even that took 18 months to pass.</p>
<p>Social Security wasn&#8217;t passed in the first year of FDR&#8217;s administration either.</p>
<p>What Obama is trying to do&#8211;totally remake health care in America in just the first 7 months of his Administration&#8211;is unprecedented.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-obamacare/comment-page-1#comment-57116</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..........It&#039;s probably more difficult because it principally involves people not machines........machines are inanimate......they go where they are told to go and do it over and over again......people don&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.It&#8217;s probably more difficult because it principally involves people not machines&#8230;&#8230;..machines are inanimate&#8230;&#8230;they go where they are told to go and do it over and over again&#8230;&#8230;people don&#8217;t</p>
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		<title>By: MFarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more comparable to LBJ&#039;s Great Society. If we can improve healthcare like we ended poverty, all will be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more comparable to LBJ&#8217;s Great Society. If we can improve healthcare like we ended poverty, all will be well.</p>
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