Comments on: Olson and Boies Act, While Obama Talks http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DFL http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67680 DFL Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:59:14 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67680 Surprise- rbottoms is right. Homosexuals are about as popular with Republicans as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins would be at a Baptist Convention or the Sistine Chapel. Surprise- rbottoms is right. Homosexuals are about as popular with Republicans as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins would be at a Baptist Convention or the Sistine Chapel.

]]> By: sdspringy http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67615 sdspringy Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:12 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67615 The only reason the Dems keep pushing this issue off on Rep. is because they can’t win on it either. How is it possible that traditional marriage was protected in California when the majority of voters are Liberal. Because traditional Democrat voters also voted against the Libs on this one. So why would Republican conservatives want to vote for this loser of an issue. In every state where traditional marriage protection is added to a ballot, it wins. As a crossover issue it is a big win for conservatives. Until the Dems can bring a majority of their own voters over to the extreme Lefty Lib side to vote for homosexual marriage the conservative should stay as far awaya as possible. The only reason the Dems keep pushing this issue off on Rep. is because they can’t win on it either. How is it possible that traditional marriage was protected in California when the majority of voters are Liberal. Because traditional Democrat voters also voted against the Libs on this one. So why would Republican conservatives want to vote for this loser of an issue.

In every state where traditional marriage protection is added to a ballot, it wins. As a crossover issue it is a big win for conservatives. Until the Dems can bring a majority of their own voters over to the extreme Lefty Lib side to vote for homosexual marriage the conservative should stay as far awaya as possible.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67578 sinz54 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:30:33 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67578 rbottoms: <blockquote> This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians? </blockquote> In the mid 1970s, the National Review actually toyed with this position. I remember columns arguing that gay citizens have the same concerns as everybody else (taxes, jobs, etc.); and that conservatives' fear of big government should segue into guaranteeing gay citizens their privacy to pursue their lifestyle as they wish. But shortly thereafter, these conservatives made their Grand Bargain with the social conservatives who viewed homosexuality as sinful or even perverted; and that was the last we heard of conservative support for gay rights. rbottoms: This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians?
In the mid 1970s, the National Review actually toyed with this position.

I remember columns arguing that gay citizens have the same concerns as everybody else (taxes, jobs, etc.); and that conservatives’ fear of big government should segue into guaranteeing gay citizens their privacy to pursue their lifestyle as they wish.

But shortly thereafter, these conservatives made their Grand Bargain with the social conservatives who viewed homosexuality as sinful or even perverted; and that was the last we heard of conservative support for gay rights.

]]> By: greg_barton http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67568 greg_barton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:37:33 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67568 I know. It's frustrating when presidents follow, you know, the law. Ain't it? I know. It’s frustrating when presidents follow, you know, the law. Ain’t it?

]]> By: balconesfault http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67567 balconesfault Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:37:51 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67567 <b>This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians?</b> Nope ... they're just really frustrated that Obama didn't unilaterally overrule law and stop enforcing DADT - because if Obama had done so, we'd see about a dozen posts here attacking him for his supposed totalitarian tendencies on the basis of that decision. This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians?

Nope … they’re just really frustrated that Obama didn’t unilaterally overrule law and stop enforcing DADT – because if Obama had done so, we’d see about a dozen posts here attacking him for his supposed totalitarian tendencies on the basis of that decision.

]]> By: greg_barton http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67566 greg_barton Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:36:49 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67566 Personally, I think this whole site is just an extension of Rush's chaos project. Srsly. Personally, I think this whole site is just an extension of Rush’s chaos project.

Srsly.

]]> By: rbottoms http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67548 rbottoms Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:46:24 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67548 This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians? Have this fellow seen what the people in his party are saying about Mary Cheney's pregnancy? You couldn't ask for more vile meanness to be coming out of the mouth of a human, unless what's being said is being directed at Barrack Obama instead. It's the same schizoid idea that the GOP was actually the champion of blacks during the Civil Rights era. Laughable on its face to anyone not living inside the cocoon of other Republican "thinking." This has got to be some kind of drug induced delusion wherein a Republican thinks their party is actually for the rights of gays and lesbians? Have this fellow seen what the people in his party are saying about Mary Cheney’s pregnancy?

You couldn’t ask for more vile meanness to be coming out of the mouth of a human, unless what’s being said is being directed at Barrack Obama instead. It’s the same schizoid idea that the GOP was actually the champion of blacks during the Civil Rights era. Laughable on its face to anyone not living inside the cocoon of other Republican “thinking.”

]]> By: mlindroo http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67542 mlindroo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:07:21 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67542 > The President may mean what he said last night: >he may be ready and willing to risk a portion of his rapidly > diminishing supply of political capital to not only end >“don’t ask, don’t tell” but also to support gay marriage > initiatives, and he may simply be waiting for the right > moment to attack these issues head on. But until that day, > the most important leaders as far as the fight for equal rights > for the LGBTQ community goes is not the President but >rather two Washington lawyers: Ted Olson and David Boies. [...] > The team has joined forces to appeal the constitutionality of the > decision, if necessary, all the way to the United States Supreme Court, > a venue where these two men have, to put it mildly, proven track > records of success. The case is far from a slam dunk, but at this > juncture, it seems that Olson and Boies, and not Obama, are the > ones leading the real fight for change. Yet another weird "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" type of Obama post from New Majority... In this case it is impossible to say whether the author is an enthusiastic proponent of gay marriage rights (a rather rare view among Republicans, see for example the fairly typical comment by NM reader "Escapevelocity in another thread). Are you saying Obama should declare that he strongly favors the Olson-Boies initiative?? And what about not immediately ending DADT? Isn't it, you know, actually a *good thing* if Obama does not immediately ride roughshod over the delicate homophobic sensibilities of a significant portion of the military as well as the political opposition?? MARCU$ > The President may mean what he said last night:
>he may be ready and willing to risk a portion of his rapidly
> diminishing supply of political capital to not only end
>“don’t ask, don’t tell” but also to support gay marriage
> initiatives, and he may simply be waiting for the right
> moment to attack these issues head on. But until that day,
> the most important leaders as far as the fight for equal rights
> for the LGBTQ community goes is not the President but
>rather two Washington lawyers: Ted Olson and David Boies.
[...]
> The team has joined forces to appeal the constitutionality of the
> decision, if necessary, all the way to the United States Supreme Court,
> a venue where these two men have, to put it mildly, proven track
> records of success. The case is far from a slam dunk, but at this
> juncture, it seems that Olson and Boies, and not Obama, are the
> ones leading the real fight for change.

Yet another weird “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” type of Obama post from New Majority…

In this case it is impossible to say whether the author is an enthusiastic proponent of gay marriage rights (a rather rare view among Republicans, see for example the fairly typical comment by NM reader “Escapevelocity in another thread). Are you saying Obama should declare that he strongly favors the Olson-Boies initiative??

And what about not immediately ending DADT? Isn’t it, you know, actually a *good thing* if Obama does not immediately ride roughshod over the delicate homophobic sensibilities of a significant portion of the military as well as the political opposition??

MARCU$

]]> By: rbottoms http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67541 rbottoms Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:57:55 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67541 <blockquote> the GOP should take the lead on ending “don’t ask, don’t tell” </blockquote> Representatives from both the Democratic party and the White House were unable to offer comment due to an inability to stop hysterical laughter each time the question was asked. the GOP should take the lead on ending “don’t ask, don’t tell”

Representatives from both the Democratic party and the White House were unable to offer comment due to an inability to stop hysterical laughter each time the question was asked.

]]> By: Obama: Pro-Gay Talk, but No Action http://www.frumforum.com/olson-and-boies-act-where-obama-talks/comment-page-1#comment-67512 Obama: Pro-Gay Talk, but No Action Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:02:36 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=13546#comment-67512 [...] that the GOP should take the lead on ending “don’t ask, don’t tell” and Golinkin highlights two lawyers fighting for equal rights in the [...] [...] that the GOP should take the lead on ending “don’t ask, don’t tell” and Golinkin highlights two lawyers fighting for equal rights in the [...]

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