Comments on: Ogden R. Reid: Anti-communism And Civil Liberties http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Go Dog Go! http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-89513 Go Dog Go! Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:18:28 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-89513 “In my own view, the Republican Party needs to latch onto the center and the future. It can’t be exclusionary.” Such words have never been more true. Reject the Beck/Limbaugh/Evangelical exclusionism and welcome the centrists back. You will welcome political success shortly thereafter. “In my own view, the Republican Party needs to latch onto the center and the future. It can’t be exclusionary.”

Such words have never been more true.

Reject the Beck/Limbaugh/Evangelical exclusionism and welcome the centrists back. You will welcome political success shortly thereafter.

]]> By: Mark Rosenthal http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-89120 Mark Rosenthal Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:40:50 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-89120 Are there any moderate republicans out there? I thought they were all extinct. Are there any moderate republicans out there? I thought they were all extinct.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-39659 sinz54 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:26:56 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-39659 One lesson I take away from this, is that a party that is perceived as anti-civil rights may win a few elections, but in the end that stance is going to drive away the minorities and the young for a long time to come. This year, the GOP lost the Hispanic vote over the immigration issue, in which many on the Right confused legal issues with culture war issues. In particular, Mark Krikorian of the National Review and columnist/blogger Michelle Malkin poisoned the debate, by implying that foreign Hispanics just aren't culturally fit to come to America. And arguments from their supporters that large numbers of Hispanic citizens "will be able to outvote the white folks" and hence allegedly destroy the nation, are nativist and racist. The GOP doesn't have to abandon its support of enforcing the law, including immigration laws. But it has to make it clear that Hispanics, as long as they come to America legally and become citizens, are totally welcome in America, and in the highest ranks of the GOP. One lesson I take away from this, is that a party that is perceived as anti-civil rights may win a few elections, but in the end that stance is going to drive away the minorities and the young for a long time to come. This year, the GOP lost the Hispanic vote over the immigration issue, in which many on the Right confused legal issues with culture war issues. In particular, Mark Krikorian of the National Review and columnist/blogger Michelle Malkin poisoned the debate, by implying that foreign Hispanics just aren’t culturally fit to come to America. And arguments from their supporters that large numbers of Hispanic citizens “will be able to outvote the white folks” and hence allegedly destroy the nation, are nativist and racist. The GOP doesn’t have to abandon its support of enforcing the law, including immigration laws. But it has to make it clear that Hispanics, as long as they come to America legally and become citizens, are totally welcome in America, and in the highest ranks of the GOP.

]]> By: ESB http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-39367 ESB Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:03:44 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-39367 JJV - I see your class argument, but Old Money, Bush of Yale (43, not 41, who probably shed a tear for the Herald Tribune), tried to build an enduring Republican majority in opposition to most of what Ogden Reid stood for. We know how that worked out. Elitism isn't what it was in the glory days of the Tribune. For two decades, our presidents have had Yale or Harvard pedigrees -- the Bushes from old-boy old money, Clinton and Obama from the post-WASP "meritocracy" (a problematic subject on which Mr. Kabaservice has also written quite well). It's not a coincidence that the two Democrats, Obama in particular, achieved a broad base of support. Their ideas appealed to people who might have been put off by their Ivy League credentials, and heretical as it is to say, the intellectually driven and diverse Ivy League milieu they experienced may have given them some good ideas. If we must keep picking presidents from highbrow institutions, I'll take Harvard Law and its attentiveness to the Constitution over Harvard Business School and its attentiveness to the moneyed class(es). Ogden Reid would have been as horrified as was the 2008 American electorate at the enormous, intrusive, and literally and ideologically bankrupt government that George W. Bush, of *the* Bushes, bequeathed the American people. I'd certainly prefer a modern Reid's "moderate" pen to, say, Rush Limbaugh's immoderate mouth. JJV – I see your class argument, but Old Money, Bush of Yale (43, not 41, who probably shed a tear for the Herald Tribune), tried to build an enduring Republican majority in opposition to most of what Ogden Reid stood for. We know how that worked out. Elitism isn’t what it was in the glory days of the Tribune. For two decades, our presidents have had Yale or Harvard pedigrees — the Bushes from old-boy old money, Clinton and Obama from the post-WASP “meritocracy” (a problematic subject on which Mr. Kabaservice has also written quite well). It’s not a coincidence that the two Democrats, Obama in particular, achieved a broad base of support. Their ideas appealed to people who might have been put off by their Ivy League credentials, and heretical as it is to say, the intellectually driven and diverse Ivy League milieu they experienced may have given them some good ideas. If we must keep picking presidents from highbrow institutions, I’ll take Harvard Law and its attentiveness to the Constitution over Harvard Business School and its attentiveness to the moneyed class(es). Ogden Reid would have been as horrified as was the 2008 American electorate at the enormous, intrusive, and literally and ideologically bankrupt government that George W. Bush, of *the* Bushes, bequeathed the American people. I’d certainly prefer a modern Reid’s “moderate” pen to, say, Rush Limbaugh’s immoderate mouth.

]]> By: Trad http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-41381 Trad Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:46:53 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-41381 Thanks for shedding light on another forgotten piece of history, proving again just how big the Republican tent used to be. And that Reid/Lincoln quotation is perfect. If only American conservatives knew their own tradition... Thanks for shedding light on another forgotten piece of history, proving again just how big the Republican tent used to be. And that Reid/Lincoln quotation is perfect. If only American conservatives knew their own tradition…

]]> By: jjv http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties/comment-page-1#comment-43982 jjv Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:08:17 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/ogden-r-reid-anti-communism-and-civil-liberties#comment-43982 The question is would the Republican Party be stronger with Ogden Reid? It seems "moderate" Republicanism of the type he espoused is unable to resist the left. Its class base is more repelled by other (lower class) conservatives than it is by the machinations of Democrats. You will note the Herald Tribune failed when NY was still a newspaper town. Also, Nixon and Agnew won the youth vote just a Reid says they were driving it away. It is also interesting he left the Party in 1972 when it had the most broad based support it would ever enjoy on the Presidential level. McGovernism was acceptable to this staunch anti-communist? Something is going on here not revealed by this piece. It is interesting to note that "Brownie" Reid lost all electoral attractiveness as a Democrat. I don't think old money, Brownie Reid of Yale is really what we need to swell the ranks of a forward looking Republican Party. That said, I love these historical vignettes of yours. The question is would the Republican Party be stronger with Ogden Reid? It seems “moderate” Republicanism of the type he espoused is unable to resist the left. Its class base is more repelled by other (lower class) conservatives than it is by the machinations of Democrats. You will note the Herald Tribune failed when NY was still a newspaper town. Also, Nixon and Agnew won the youth vote just a Reid says they were driving it away. It is also interesting he left the Party in 1972 when it had the most broad based support it would ever enjoy on the Presidential level. McGovernism was acceptable to this staunch anti-communist? Something is going on here not revealed by this piece. It is interesting to note that “Brownie” Reid lost all electoral attractiveness as a Democrat. I don’t think old money, Brownie Reid of Yale is really what we need to swell the ranks of a forward looking Republican Party. That said, I love these historical vignettes of yours.

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