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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Doesn’t matter.

There aren’t enough of them to even make up one battalion. We have an army of one million men.

In our army as it exists today, those much-derided Christians from the Red States make up the bulk of our troops serving. Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The facts to back up this assertion exist... where? When I served we had quite a few Muslims, Jews, and more than a couple of Atheists and Wiccans to go along with your oppressed Christians.

Any proportionality in favor of southerners in the Armed Forces may have a lot to do with the opportunities for a careers at Walmart, riverboat casinos, and factory hog farms down in Dixie.</description>
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Doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>There aren’t enough of them to even make up one battalion. We have an army of one million men.</p>
<p>In our army as it exists today, those much-derided Christians from the Red States make up the bulk of our troops serving. Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.
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<p>The facts to back up this assertion exist&#8230; where? When I served we had quite a few Muslims, Jews, and more than a couple of Atheists and Wiccans to go along with your oppressed Christians.</p>
<p>Any proportionality in favor of southerners in the Armed Forces may have a lot to do with the opportunities for a careers at Walmart, riverboat casinos, and factory hog farms down in Dixie.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-to-gay-rights-activists-keep-waiting/comment-page-1#comment-67764</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More people need a fresh look at so many of these Gay Rights issues. I like this link. This guy has it right and the right should listen to this guy:

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/06/i-changed-my-mind-on-gay-marriage/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More people need a fresh look at so many of these Gay Rights issues. I like this link. This guy has it right and the right should listen to this guy:</p>
<p><a href="http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/06/i-changed-my-mind-on-gay-marriage/" rel="nofollow">http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/06/i-changed-my-mind-on-gay-marriage/</a></p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-to-gay-rights-activists-keep-waiting/comment-page-1#comment-67756</link>
		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really?  Is that why 44% of the military voted for Obama?  Heck, even 41% of them voted for Kerry in 2004.  Seems like an odd definition of &quot;practically nonexistent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz:</p>
<blockquote><p>Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  Is that why 44% of the military voted for Obama?  Heck, even 41% of them voted for Kerry in 2004.  Seems like an odd definition of &#8220;practically nonexistent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, dfl?  What makes you think that Frum is anti-Christian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, dfl?  What makes you think that Frum is anti-Christian?</p>
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		<title>By: SpartacusIsNotDead</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpartacusIsNotDead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz wrote:    &quot;A recent poll by Army Times suggests that’s about 10% of the soldiers currently serving. So unless society’s attitudes change, we’re looking at a 10% cut in the size of our army.&quot;

Maybe 10% of the soldiers will leave, although I suspect that someone who is prepared to quit his/her job rather than work alongside a gay person probably doesn&#039;t have the skills and intellect to fair very well in this economy.  Consequently, they may choose to remain in the military.

I would also suspect that there is a significant number of people who have not joined the military b/c of its stance on gays.  Those people seem more thoughtful and intelligent to me than those who would rather quit than serve alongside gays.  Leaving aside the cost of training and turnover, this seems like a good trade to me.

Lastly, I don&#039;t have any numbers on it, but I would guess that the percentage of soldiers that said they would quit rather than serve alongside blacks was higher than 10% and both the country and the military were/are better off because of an integrated military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz wrote:    &#8220;A recent poll by Army Times suggests that’s about 10% of the soldiers currently serving. So unless society’s attitudes change, we’re looking at a 10% cut in the size of our army.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe 10% of the soldiers will leave, although I suspect that someone who is prepared to quit his/her job rather than work alongside a gay person probably doesn&#8217;t have the skills and intellect to fair very well in this economy.  Consequently, they may choose to remain in the military.</p>
<p>I would also suspect that there is a significant number of people who have not joined the military b/c of its stance on gays.  Those people seem more thoughtful and intelligent to me than those who would rather quit than serve alongside gays.  Leaving aside the cost of training and turnover, this seems like a good trade to me.</p>
<p>Lastly, I don&#8217;t have any numbers on it, but I would guess that the percentage of soldiers that said they would quit rather than serve alongside blacks was higher than 10% and both the country and the military were/are better off because of an integrated military.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms:  &lt;blockquote&gt; Their stalwart members include David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and a host of warmongering cowards who have been unable to find their way to the recruiting offices of any major service. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Doesn&#039;t matter.

There aren&#039;t enough of them to even make up one battalion.  We have an army of one million men.

In our army as it exists today, those much-derided Christians from the Red States make up the bulk of our troops serving.  Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms:<br />
<blockquote> Their stalwart members include David Frum, Jonah Goldberg, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and a host of warmongering cowards who have been unable to find their way to the recruiting offices of any major service. </p></blockquote>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t enough of them to even make up one battalion.  We have an army of one million men.</p>
<p>In our army as it exists today, those much-derided Christians from the Red States make up the bulk of our troops serving.  Blue State liberals are practically nonexistent.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spartacusisnotdead:  &lt;blockquote&gt; Doesn’t the fact that we have an all-volunteer military suggest that only those who are unwilling to serve alongside gays will simply not join? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
A recent poll by Army Times suggests that&#039;s about 10% of the soldiers currently serving.  So unless society&#039;s attitudes change, we&#039;re looking at a 10% cut in the size of our army.

You can already envision the attack ads the GOP will make with that:  &quot;Obama cuts our army by 10% in the middle of two wars....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spartacusisnotdead:<br />
<blockquote> Doesn’t the fact that we have an all-volunteer military suggest that only those who are unwilling to serve alongside gays will simply not join? </p></blockquote>
<p>A recent poll by Army Times suggests that&#8217;s about 10% of the soldiers currently serving.  So unless society&#8217;s attitudes change, we&#8217;re looking at a 10% cut in the size of our army.</p>
<p>You can already envision the attack ads the GOP will make with that:  &#8220;Obama cuts our army by 10% in the middle of two wars&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Barton, I think you are correct, more so on your first point on peeling off moderates (a legitmate reason, I would agree) than the second.  Moreover, I believe Mr. Frum is anti-Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Barton, I think you are correct, more so on your first point on peeling off moderates (a legitmate reason, I would agree) than the second.  Moreover, I believe Mr. Frum is anti-Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfl:
&lt;blockquote&gt;As this site is supposed to further a conservatism that can win again, it is readily apparent that there are no votes for conservatives in supporting homosexual marriage...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s just the stated reason for this site.  I&#039;m thinking it&#039;s either a fishing expedition for strategies to peel off moderate voters or an attempt to sew ideological chaos. (Or both, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfl:</p>
<blockquote><p>As this site is supposed to further a conservatism that can win again, it is readily apparent that there are no votes for conservatives in supporting homosexual marriage&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s just the stated reason for this site.  I&#8217;m thinking it&#8217;s either a fishing expedition for strategies to peel off moderate voters or an attempt to sew ideological chaos. (Or both, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: SpartacusIsNotDead</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpartacusIsNotDead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfl wrote:    &quot;San Francisco, Manhattan or Dupont Circle homosexual lefties are not going to switch their votes to Republican just because a Republican votes the way the left wants him on homosexual issues.&quot;

Maybe not, but maybe homosexuals in Idaho and Florida who are more comfortable with GOP gays such as Larry Craig and Mark Foley might switch their votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfl wrote:    &#8220;San Francisco, Manhattan or Dupont Circle homosexual lefties are not going to switch their votes to Republican just because a Republican votes the way the left wants him on homosexual issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe not, but maybe homosexuals in Idaho and Florida who are more comfortable with GOP gays such as Larry Craig and Mark Foley might switch their votes.</p>
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