As Schaeffer says (I guess you didn’t read it…big words in there I know) you can be liked and respected, but if you can only be one it’s better to be respected, even at the expense of popularity.

To use your silly neighbor analogy and take it a step further, which would you rather have?

1) A neighbor who just loves you, thinks you’re the greatest guy in the world, but has no compunction about letting his dog crap all over your lawn, has blaring steross playing outseide until 4am, blocks your driveway with his car, and genrally cares little for your property rights? OR…

2) A neighbor who thinks you’re a jerk because after you asked him nicely many many times to curb his dog, turn down the music and get the car out of your driveway, you finally called the cops on him and he complied.

Personally I’ll take 2 because there are times when you will not be able to have both. And I would rather have my proeprty rights respected and lose a potential “friend” than be treated like a doormat in the name of “peaceful co-existence.” That’s called surrender.

So leaving alone the issue of many western nations with less than replacement birth rates, what do you suggest? It’s not as if that somehow encourages greater family size of Muslim households. That happens regardless. They would just be continuing to swell in other countries and adding to the festering dysfunctions in their native societies. You could take the stance “let them rot there”, but if there was anything we learned from the 9/11 experience, it is that the problems of dysfunctional societies and ideologies aren’t so easily contained within their borders. At least not when so much of our commerce is global in nature, and where people move about between nations relatively free.

Seriously, I’m not being flip here. If what you are advocating is a new crusade, to stem the tide of a world population with greater Muslim dominance, articulate it. I’m curious about your solution.

The two nations with Muslim majorities I’ve had personal experiences with, Turkey and Malaysia, are both highly secular and by and large non-threatening societies. There are fundamentalist pockets in each, I’m sure, but they have both embraced modern society to a great extent. Now Saudi Arabia seems to be an entirely different matter. If there is a Muslim dominated society we SHOULD be poised against, it’s that one. The export of really vile anti-Western religious hatred, with almost unlimited petro-dollars behind them, seems to come from there. And yet we bend over backwards for the Saudis.

And with all do respect, I do not think your experience matters. What matters is the overalll trend. When 40% of British Muslims want Sharia law for example, when more Londoners now attend mosque than church, when German publishers self-censor for fear of Muslim violence (so much for assimilation and grakllying behind Western free speech eh?) then this is NOT like regular immgration of times past where you become a hyphenated American say and then just an American who may have his/her ethnic roots to draw from for a sense of identity within a gretaer identity.

Mulsims want NO PART of westrn culture. This is hwy, as I said, this is not the story of a wave of immigrants…it is the story of a COLONIZATION. A conquest. Only conquest now by reprodyuction, not the sword. A very deliberate one. Why become a German when you know by the time your grandkids (all fifty of them) become adults that Muslim will be the dominate force? You just wait and use the laws and the welfare state against the host in the meantime…the way a virus uses the host to nurish itself and grow while killing it form the inside.

You can tell yourself it’ll all be good. But the fact is, under Sharia law, we could not have this discussion.

Now I do not have the source of his stats, but there is a fine bibliography at the end wher eyou may peruse for yourself.

And let us even say for sake of argument it is only what you say it is. The point is that the trend is happening and maybe it will be ten years before Steyn’s claim (if is wrong to you) becomes the fact.

The problem with arguing with multiculturalists like you is that you do not wish to acknowledge that there are indeed superior culures. I could hit you with facts and figures about human rights scores of Muslim versus Western nations, with imperical data, evidence, even anecdotes and you would simply decry them as my “opinion.” Islam taking ove rEurope is not an opinion…it is a fact. An unpleasant one but one nontheless whose negative implications for the progress of man and knowledge you seem unwilling to accept.

Arguing with someone like you is like playing tennis with someone who believes that the ace I just served is merely a social construct. (That is from Steyn as well by the way.)

Second most popular name in Britain now besides Jack? Muhammed.

In the countryside the names are more traditional. But in the CITIES check out a serach of any major city in Europe and see where Muhammed (or variations) rank in popularity.

The new Islamic conquest is upon Europe now. If you find that values that are uniquely Western–religious tolerance, thrift, scientific discovery, individual liberties, equality of the sexes, the rule of secular laws, etc.–are not worth fretting over then by all means, call me a paranoid and move about living your life with your head in the sand trying to tell yourelf that there is much we can learn from living under Sharia law, practising state-sanctioned mysoginy, and religious intolerance and censorship when the Imams take over.

Nope – your claim – you prove it. As I said, that was the best/most pertinent data I could find.

Unlike the waves of immigrants who came to AMerica from whome we are both descended, Euorpe is being overwhelmed with a wave of immigrants who do NOT wish to asimilate at all.

In my experience, this kind of open door policy isn’t a result of the liberalism you decry … but because certain industries/corporations have a business model that relies on population growth, and they’re using immigration as a backdoor around attempts by progressives who encourage ZPG to maintain quality of life and environmental protection.

Longterm, of course, that business model is doomed to run into a wall. But in the short term it plows ahead trying to reap as large of profits as it can from unsustainable population increases.

If the business communities in those countries decide that continued immigration levels are bad for business … I have no doubt the doors would rapidly slam shut.