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		<title>By: advocatusdiaboli</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-housing-inspector-to-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-76585</link>
		<dc:creator>advocatusdiaboli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Frum, I favor free speech exercised by intelligent writers conveying their message in well-considered prose and well-formed argument based on fact, giving voice to baseless ramblings justifying illegal annexation of land that is even considered wrong by the majority in Israel degrades the reputation of your blog and is certainly not an example of conservatism that can win again. It is in fact, an example of a party that is wandering off into the weeds of delusional extremism not unlike the Taliban and Jihadists. The author makes Sarah Palin seem a Rhodes Scholar in contrast--a feat I heretofore thought impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Frum, I favor free speech exercised by intelligent writers conveying their message in well-considered prose and well-formed argument based on fact, giving voice to baseless ramblings justifying illegal annexation of land that is even considered wrong by the majority in Israel degrades the reputation of your blog and is certainly not an example of conservatism that can win again. It is in fact, an example of a party that is wandering off into the weeds of delusional extremism not unlike the Taliban and Jihadists. The author makes Sarah Palin seem a Rhodes Scholar in contrast&#8211;a feat I heretofore thought impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: LauraNo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The President speaks for me. I don&#039;t always agree with what this, or any President says on my behalf but he certainly has that right. When you are a beggar, you can&#039;t complain about the terms. Either Israel stops the settlements in an effort at peace, or we stop supporting them financially. If they don&#039;t like it, tough. If YOU don&#039;t like it, tougher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President speaks for me. I don&#8217;t always agree with what this, or any President says on my behalf but he certainly has that right. When you are a beggar, you can&#8217;t complain about the terms. Either Israel stops the settlements in an effort at peace, or we stop supporting them financially. If they don&#8217;t like it, tough. If YOU don&#8217;t like it, tougher.</p>
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		<title>By: RioRancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>RioRancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, what is the Hebrew word for &quot;strawman&quot;? Because no one was talking about terrorism until you showed up with your tissue-paper-thin reasoning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, what is the Hebrew word for &#8220;strawman&#8221;? Because no one was talking about terrorism until you showed up with your tissue-paper-thin reasoning</p>
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		<title>By: Rob from Karnei</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-housing-inspector-to-the-world/comment-page-1#comment-76476</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob from Karnei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Krossel,

Its hard to believe that your blog attracted so many garbage responses. My father used to say that when you are arguing with an idiot, please make sure he is not doing the same.  Thus I will not even begin to defend against their idiocy.

Your points are well made. Obama who&#039;s claim that American arrogance led to many of the problems of the world, if not all of them, becomes hypocrite #1 by telling Israel what it can and cannot do. Truth is we don&#039;t need his money nearly as much as he needs to give it. Actually looking at the US accounts its not his to give..he has to clear it with the Chinese and 3 generations fown the line who will be paying for it forever.

That we happen to have similar value systems in respect for human life, the dignity of man and the force of law, are reasons to be friends with us and work together to stop the rush of evil that is already destrying the world.

Settlements are not the obsrtacles to peace and not the big problem ignorant observers and historical revisionists believe them to be. The Muslim world is not outraged by settlements thus blowing each other up in Iraq, Pakistan, Chechnia, Africa, the entire Middle-East and elsewhere because 300,000 Jews live on their territorial ancestral homeland. You want the real truth? They are doing it because America is arrogant in its belief that supplying Coc-cola and McDonalds makes for a better world. They believe only fundamentalist Islam makes for a tollerable world and they will kill everyone, including their brothers to make it so....they say it outright, why don&#039;t you believe them?

Idiots who ran, and continue to run the USA such as ex-President Carter, who single handedly mismanaged the entire Iran crisis in the 70&#039;s, and Filandered Clinton who mis-managed the shut-dowm of Osama Bin Ladin when he had his chance are the direct cause. As wise as these men were supposed to be, they did not understand the basics. Give a terrorist any space at all and he will destroy your society, and especially naive and arrogant ones. 

And they did...look at all the dead marines in Lebanon...look at the Twin Towers...look at the 444 day hostages....look at the rockets from Gaza...Madrid, London, Van Gogh.....tens of thousands of incidents you know and many more that you havent even heard of.....how easily you forget what these people did to you and will continue to do to you.....sheer arrogance.

And now you think that the Palestinians - read Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Fatah are going to give up their terror, suicide bombings, murder, mayhem and more  if you give up a small plot of land in the West Bank? Israel has already given up 90%+ land captured in the 6 day war....has it made 1 iota of a difference? Nothing. Zilch, Nada. ....arrogance that you can&#039;t believe what your eyes see.

We have some friends in America who know that we are merely a stopover on the Islamic terror train to total global Jihad domination. Don&#039;t believe me...go to the internet and see the hundreds of clips espousing murdering infidels, American....go to Dearborn Michigan....go to every campus that has an Islamic club...go to any US Military base where Muslims serve and who are prepared to murder American soldiers off to fight their brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan...they say it openly because they dont fear America. They feel America is stupid, fat , lazy, prime for the pickin, and most of all ARROGANT.  America argues that after all, how can these backwards-thinking people who climb out of spider holes, caves and sand dunes possibly stop America from continuing to be the worlds superpower?

Radical Islam knows it can be done easily by their backward nihilistic society. 

Israel is an enormously powerful country. We have had madmen almost destry our people before, but its not going to happen again. You think for one second we don&#039;t have the power to back it up. You think for one second someone is going to nuke Israel and the entire world is not finished? Think again. 

So go ahead. Pontificate on how you are going to deny a Jew his right to build a house in Jerusalem. You worry about that and don&#039;t concern yourself with the madman in Teheran. The bomb in Iran is already ticking and you don&#039;t even care.

Ahmadinijad and Bin ladin are just around the corner ready to drop the bomb on Israel, incidentally murdering all the Palestinians they have been claiming to be tryiing to save for all these years. They did nothing between 1948 and 1967 for the Palestinians then and the sooner they kill them along with the Israelis, the sooner they can come get America, their real target</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Krossel,</p>
<p>Its hard to believe that your blog attracted so many garbage responses. My father used to say that when you are arguing with an idiot, please make sure he is not doing the same.  Thus I will not even begin to defend against their idiocy.</p>
<p>Your points are well made. Obama who&#8217;s claim that American arrogance led to many of the problems of the world, if not all of them, becomes hypocrite #1 by telling Israel what it can and cannot do. Truth is we don&#8217;t need his money nearly as much as he needs to give it. Actually looking at the US accounts its not his to give..he has to clear it with the Chinese and 3 generations fown the line who will be paying for it forever.</p>
<p>That we happen to have similar value systems in respect for human life, the dignity of man and the force of law, are reasons to be friends with us and work together to stop the rush of evil that is already destrying the world.</p>
<p>Settlements are not the obsrtacles to peace and not the big problem ignorant observers and historical revisionists believe them to be. The Muslim world is not outraged by settlements thus blowing each other up in Iraq, Pakistan, Chechnia, Africa, the entire Middle-East and elsewhere because 300,000 Jews live on their territorial ancestral homeland. You want the real truth? They are doing it because America is arrogant in its belief that supplying Coc-cola and McDonalds makes for a better world. They believe only fundamentalist Islam makes for a tollerable world and they will kill everyone, including their brothers to make it so&#8230;.they say it outright, why don&#8217;t you believe them?</p>
<p>Idiots who ran, and continue to run the USA such as ex-President Carter, who single handedly mismanaged the entire Iran crisis in the 70&#8217;s, and Filandered Clinton who mis-managed the shut-dowm of Osama Bin Ladin when he had his chance are the direct cause. As wise as these men were supposed to be, they did not understand the basics. Give a terrorist any space at all and he will destroy your society, and especially naive and arrogant ones. </p>
<p>And they did&#8230;look at all the dead marines in Lebanon&#8230;look at the Twin Towers&#8230;look at the 444 day hostages&#8230;.look at the rockets from Gaza&#8230;Madrid, London, Van Gogh&#8230;..tens of thousands of incidents you know and many more that you havent even heard of&#8230;..how easily you forget what these people did to you and will continue to do to you&#8230;..sheer arrogance.</p>
<p>And now you think that the Palestinians &#8211; read Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Fatah are going to give up their terror, suicide bombings, murder, mayhem and more  if you give up a small plot of land in the West Bank? Israel has already given up 90%+ land captured in the 6 day war&#8230;.has it made 1 iota of a difference? Nothing. Zilch, Nada. &#8230;.arrogance that you can&#8217;t believe what your eyes see.</p>
<p>We have some friends in America who know that we are merely a stopover on the Islamic terror train to total global Jihad domination. Don&#8217;t believe me&#8230;go to the internet and see the hundreds of clips espousing murdering infidels, American&#8230;.go to Dearborn Michigan&#8230;.go to every campus that has an Islamic club&#8230;go to any US Military base where Muslims serve and who are prepared to murder American soldiers off to fight their brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan&#8230;they say it openly because they dont fear America. They feel America is stupid, fat , lazy, prime for the pickin, and most of all ARROGANT.  America argues that after all, how can these backwards-thinking people who climb out of spider holes, caves and sand dunes possibly stop America from continuing to be the worlds superpower?</p>
<p>Radical Islam knows it can be done easily by their backward nihilistic society. </p>
<p>Israel is an enormously powerful country. We have had madmen almost destry our people before, but its not going to happen again. You think for one second we don&#8217;t have the power to back it up. You think for one second someone is going to nuke Israel and the entire world is not finished? Think again. </p>
<p>So go ahead. Pontificate on how you are going to deny a Jew his right to build a house in Jerusalem. You worry about that and don&#8217;t concern yourself with the madman in Teheran. The bomb in Iran is already ticking and you don&#8217;t even care.</p>
<p>Ahmadinijad and Bin ladin are just around the corner ready to drop the bomb on Israel, incidentally murdering all the Palestinians they have been claiming to be tryiing to save for all these years. They did nothing between 1948 and 1967 for the Palestinians then and the sooner they kill them along with the Israelis, the sooner they can come get America, their real target</p>
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		<title>By: handworn</title>
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		<dc:creator>handworn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never owned by Arabs?  Read history.  They owned the entire territory for over a thousand years, including Jerusalem, which was the point of the crusades.  This is an example of Israelis taking U.S. support so for granted that they&#039;re getting aggressive with Palestine.  Anyone who does that is no longer the underdog.  A plague on both their houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never owned by Arabs?  Read history.  They owned the entire territory for over a thousand years, including Jerusalem, which was the point of the crusades.  This is an example of Israelis taking U.S. support so for granted that they&#8217;re getting aggressive with Palestine.  Anyone who does that is no longer the underdog.  A plague on both their houses.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a better world the Israelis would have a compact, semi defensible border without enclaves of her enemies within her. But let us deal with reality, she is outnumbered and politically isolated as her tormentors turned themselves into victims with their antics. Even the Bush admin signed on to a two state plan. Not even the most accomodating, pro Israel  Arab going to tolerate a network of exclusive Jewish Israeli settlements in the new Palestinian state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a better world the Israelis would have a compact, semi defensible border without enclaves of her enemies within her. But let us deal with reality, she is outnumbered and politically isolated as her tormentors turned themselves into victims with their antics. Even the Bush admin signed on to a two state plan. Not even the most accomodating, pro Israel  Arab going to tolerate a network of exclusive Jewish Israeli settlements in the new Palestinian state.</p>
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		<title>By: lowerwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowerwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beyond ridiculous. Even if we assume, for the sake of the argument, that the settlers are really, really, only concerned about &quot;natural growth, no Israeli government, even when led by &quot;Greater Land of Israel&quot; types like Begin or Shamir, has ever considered annexing the territories, partly due to demographic fears, partly knowing that no one, US most definitely included, would ever recognize the annexation. For this reason, Obama is in no sense telling the Israelis what to do &quot;in their own country&quot;.  
Moreover, it has been always American  policy that settlements are illegal and nonconstructive. Bush Jr. and Clinton might have winked about it but Bush sr. basically overthrew the Shamir government over its refusal to freeze settlements.  The only thing that Obama is guilty of is actually trying to implement American official policy for the first time in 17 years, and even that mostly on the declarative level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beyond ridiculous. Even if we assume, for the sake of the argument, that the settlers are really, really, only concerned about &#8220;natural growth, no Israeli government, even when led by &#8220;Greater Land of Israel&#8221; types like Begin or Shamir, has ever considered annexing the territories, partly due to demographic fears, partly knowing that no one, US most definitely included, would ever recognize the annexation. For this reason, Obama is in no sense telling the Israelis what to do &#8220;in their own country&#8221;.<br />
Moreover, it has been always American  policy that settlements are illegal and nonconstructive. Bush Jr. and Clinton might have winked about it but Bush sr. basically overthrew the Shamir government over its refusal to freeze settlements.  The only thing that Obama is guilty of is actually trying to implement American official policy for the first time in 17 years, and even that mostly on the declarative level.</p>
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		<title>By: mlindroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlindroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; An American president wouldn’t dream of dictating
&gt; building regulations to a municipality in his own country. 


Those settlements are considered deeply controversial even within Israel, and will make it harder to negotiate a permanent solution to the Israel-Palestine problem.  

All this matters very much to the American government...if you resist American meddling in your internal affairs, perhaps it is time to end the vast economic aid ($3 billion+ per year or $500 per Israeli) to Israel?

Like it or not, Israel pretty much owes its existence to the U.S. as no other country has received as much economic aid. Why not show some respect and gratitude?

MARCU$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; An American president wouldn’t dream of dictating<br />
&gt; building regulations to a municipality in his own country. </p>
<p>Those settlements are considered deeply controversial even within Israel, and will make it harder to negotiate a permanent solution to the Israel-Palestine problem.  </p>
<p>All this matters very much to the American government&#8230;if you resist American meddling in your internal affairs, perhaps it is time to end the vast economic aid ($3 billion+ per year or $500 per Israeli) to Israel?</p>
<p>Like it or not, Israel pretty much owes its existence to the U.S. as no other country has received as much economic aid. Why not show some respect and gratitude?</p>
<p>MARCU$</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree w/ Rio on this one.  The writing is just silly.

It&#039;s really pretty simple.  If you want a two state solution, stop expanding the settlements.  If you don&#039;t want a two state solution, then go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w/ Rio on this one.  The writing is just silly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really pretty simple.  If you want a two state solution, stop expanding the settlements.  If you don&#8217;t want a two state solution, then go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: RioRancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>RioRancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an absurd premise. Seriously. If you want to talk about the settlements, fine - talk about the settlements. But what purpose does this &quot;housing inspector&quot; nonsense serve?

Leaving aside the premise - everything else you write is absurd as well. Like Mike Huckabee, you&#039;ve staked out a position far to the right of the hawkish Israeli government. I&#039;m guessing that like that hambone, you are also consulting the bible, not reality, to inform your position.

I&#039;m sure you love the Holy Land - because you are hoping for an eventual violent apocalypse in Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an absurd premise. Seriously. If you want to talk about the settlements, fine &#8211; talk about the settlements. But what purpose does this &#8220;housing inspector&#8221; nonsense serve?</p>
<p>Leaving aside the premise &#8211; everything else you write is absurd as well. Like Mike Huckabee, you&#8217;ve staked out a position far to the right of the hawkish Israeli government. I&#8217;m guessing that like that hambone, you are also consulting the bible, not reality, to inform your position.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you love the Holy Land &#8211; because you are hoping for an eventual violent apocalypse in Israel.</p>
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