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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-hanging-with-the-wrong-crowd/comment-page-1#comment-66950</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;For example, Obama has had almost nothing to say in support of the Iranian dissidents whose heads were getting bashed in by government forces this year.&lt;/b&gt;

I am surprised that you cannot tell the difference between the Soviets relationship with their dissidents, and the Iranians. 

America could support Soviet dissidents, and it wasn&#039;t going to make any difference in how they were treated.

America&#039;s overt support for Iranian dissidents would almost certainly have been used as justification by the Mullahs to crack back even harder on them.

The surest way to ensure that any opposition group in Iran fails would be for the President to publicly support it.

Maybe he just doesn’t think the U.S. has the moral high ground to do this.&lt;/b&gt;

That is a tragedy.  But after a decade where the American brand has been sullied by war crimes, violations of the Geneva Conventions, and human rights abuses ... that&#039;s where we are.  Obama has to do some brand rehabilitation before he can expect our bully pulpit to have resonance abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>For example, Obama has had almost nothing to say in support of the Iranian dissidents whose heads were getting bashed in by government forces this year.</b></p>
<p>I am surprised that you cannot tell the difference between the Soviets relationship with their dissidents, and the Iranians. </p>
<p>America could support Soviet dissidents, and it wasn&#8217;t going to make any difference in how they were treated.</p>
<p>America&#8217;s overt support for Iranian dissidents would almost certainly have been used as justification by the Mullahs to crack back even harder on them.</p>
<p>The surest way to ensure that any opposition group in Iran fails would be for the President to publicly support it.</p>
<p>Maybe he just doesn’t think the U.S. has the moral high ground to do this.</p>
<p>That is a tragedy.  But after a decade where the American brand has been sullied by war crimes, violations of the Geneva Conventions, and human rights abuses &#8230; that&#8217;s where we are.  Obama has to do some brand rehabilitation before he can expect our bully pulpit to have resonance abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>athensboy: &lt;blockquote&gt; Reagan talked with Gorbachev &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But at the same time, Reagan actively supported Soviet dissidents, and the Solidarity movement in Poland.  Covert aid given to Solidarity helped crack Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.

What bothers me about Obama is NOT that he&#039;s talking to foreign leaders.  It&#039;s that he&#039;s blowing off the opposition forces in those countries that might, just might, weaken those regimes and force them on a more moderate course.

For example, Obama has had almost nothing to say in support of the Iranian dissidents whose heads were getting bashed in by government forces this year.

And Obama&#039;s envoy to Sudan, Gration, suggested that we should offer milk and cookies to the Janjaweed, as some kind of gratitude that they&#039;ve eased off somewhat on their genocidal war in Darfur.  (Did we offer milk and cookies to the Nazi war criminals after 1945, in gratitude that they had now stopped killing Jews?)  That was too much even for Obama&#039;s liberal supporters; he&#039;s taken heat for that from them.

Unlike just about every previous postwar president from Truman up through Bush 43, Obama has refused to use his bully pulpit to speak out for human rights in these unfree countries.  From what he said in his U.N. speech, it seems that he doesn&#039;t think the U.S. has the right to &quot;interfere&quot; in that way.  Maybe he just doesn&#039;t think the U.S. has the moral high ground to do this.

That&#039;s a tragedy.
Speaking out for liberty around the world has been America&#039;s unique role throughout its history.
Until Obama came along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>athensboy:<br />
<blockquote> Reagan talked with Gorbachev </p></blockquote>
<p>But at the same time, Reagan actively supported Soviet dissidents, and the Solidarity movement in Poland.  Covert aid given to Solidarity helped crack Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.</p>
<p>What bothers me about Obama is NOT that he&#8217;s talking to foreign leaders.  It&#8217;s that he&#8217;s blowing off the opposition forces in those countries that might, just might, weaken those regimes and force them on a more moderate course.</p>
<p>For example, Obama has had almost nothing to say in support of the Iranian dissidents whose heads were getting bashed in by government forces this year.</p>
<p>And Obama&#8217;s envoy to Sudan, Gration, suggested that we should offer milk and cookies to the Janjaweed, as some kind of gratitude that they&#8217;ve eased off somewhat on their genocidal war in Darfur.  (Did we offer milk and cookies to the Nazi war criminals after 1945, in gratitude that they had now stopped killing Jews?)  That was too much even for Obama&#8217;s liberal supporters; he&#8217;s taken heat for that from them.</p>
<p>Unlike just about every previous postwar president from Truman up through Bush 43, Obama has refused to use his bully pulpit to speak out for human rights in these unfree countries.  From what he said in his U.N. speech, it seems that he doesn&#8217;t think the U.S. has the right to &#8220;interfere&#8221; in that way.  Maybe he just doesn&#8217;t think the U.S. has the moral high ground to do this.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a tragedy.<br />
Speaking out for liberty around the world has been America&#8217;s unique role throughout its history.<br />
Until Obama came along.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is likely feeling the pressure from the angry, ignorant mob that has taken over the party, and doesn&#039;t want to stray too far from the herd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is likely feeling the pressure from the angry, ignorant mob that has taken over the party, and doesn&#8217;t want to stray too far from the herd.</p>
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		<title>By: mycelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mycelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, Frum&#039;s recent posts (with the exception of his initial commentary on Beck) are not any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, Frum&#8217;s recent posts (with the exception of his initial commentary on Beck) are not any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just as confused athensboy. Frum seemed to want to add some intelligence back into conservatism and yet he has jokers like this posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just as confused athensboy. Frum seemed to want to add some intelligence back into conservatism and yet he has jokers like this posting.</p>
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		<title>By: athensboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>athensboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rather pathetic article by the author to paint President Obama as anti-American. I don&#039;t come to this site to read Glen Beck type rhetoric. I came here to read intelligent commentary. Nixon flew to China, Reagan talked with Gorbachev. Talking to foreign leaders doesn&#039;t make Obama Neville Chamberlain. Mr. Frum, please don&#039;t turn this site into Newsmax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather pathetic article by the author to paint President Obama as anti-American. I don&#8217;t come to this site to read Glen Beck type rhetoric. I came here to read intelligent commentary. Nixon flew to China, Reagan talked with Gorbachev. Talking to foreign leaders doesn&#8217;t make Obama Neville Chamberlain. Mr. Frum, please don&#8217;t turn this site into Newsmax.</p>
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		<title>By: raygun</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;racist bourgois indigenous&quot;

brilliant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;racist bourgois indigenous&#8221;</p>
<p>brilliant</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;balconesfault, actually he sounds a lot like islamic extremists when they talk about the U.S. I wonder if he doesn’t take their speeches and replace the words to talk about the left.&lt;/b&gt;

Off topic (forgive me) but that reminds me incredibly of the parody of Ann Coulter, where they went through Mein Kampf and replace every reference by Hitler of &quot;Jews&quot; with the word &quot;Liberals&quot;.  It ends up reading remarkably like Coulter&#039;s most recent books.  Can&#039;t find it anymore - I think that since then Coulter has made any satire of herself obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>balconesfault, actually he sounds a lot like islamic extremists when they talk about the U.S. I wonder if he doesn’t take their speeches and replace the words to talk about the left.</b></p>
<p>Off topic (forgive me) but that reminds me incredibly of the parody of Ann Coulter, where they went through Mein Kampf and replace every reference by Hitler of &#8220;Jews&#8221; with the word &#8220;Liberals&#8221;.  It ends up reading remarkably like Coulter&#8217;s most recent books.  Can&#8217;t find it anymore &#8211; I think that since then Coulter has made any satire of herself obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: midcon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault, actually he sounds a lot like islamic extremists when they talk about the U.S.  I wonder if he doesn&#039;t take their speeches and replace the words to talk about the left.    Even the form he uses is strikingly similar to them; things like &quot;Western Left&quot; (with capital letters as if it is a formal name).   He doesn&#039;t seem to be from any particular region of the U.S. because his pattern of speech does not fit with anywhere and it almost seems like he is copying this stuff (especially the terms) from somewhere, because no one can make this stuff up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault, actually he sounds a lot like islamic extremists when they talk about the U.S.  I wonder if he doesn&#8217;t take their speeches and replace the words to talk about the left.    Even the form he uses is strikingly similar to them; things like &#8220;Western Left&#8221; (with capital letters as if it is a formal name).   He doesn&#8217;t seem to be from any particular region of the U.S. because his pattern of speech does not fit with anywhere and it almost seems like he is copying this stuff (especially the terms) from somewhere, because no one can make this stuff up!</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having a hard time telling - does escapevelocity actually read the posts and comments before he writes stuff?  Because no matter what the topic, his schtick sounds identical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having a hard time telling &#8211; does escapevelocity actually read the posts and comments before he writes stuff?  Because no matter what the topic, his schtick sounds identical.</p>
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