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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-51835</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamiltonian:  A couple other things:  Obama has endorsed military commissions to try terrorists (though with different rules than Bush). And he actually accepts the principle of preventive detention:  If it comes down to keeping a terrorist locked up vs. freeing him on grounds of illegally obtained evidence, Obama will keep him locked up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For this, he has gotten slammed by the ACLU and the left-wing blogosphere.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama hasn&#039;t exactly gone to Gitmo and freed all the detainees there.  He&#039;s at least *trying* to thread the needle on them, which I do give him credit for.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree with Obama&#039;s handling of economic stimulus.  But I do *NOT* think Obama is some kind of American Josef Stalin, a Marxist dictator plotting to take away all our freedoms, as RedState.com and the Freepers seem to think.  Rather, this is just life under a liberal administration, like the LBJ or FDR administrations.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamiltonian:  A couple other things:  Obama has endorsed military commissions to try terrorists (though with different rules than Bush). And he actually accepts the principle of preventive detention:  If it comes down to keeping a terrorist locked up vs. freeing him on grounds of illegally obtained evidence, Obama will keep him locked up.</p>
<p>For this, he has gotten slammed by the ACLU and the left-wing blogosphere.</p>
<p>Obama hasn&#8217;t exactly gone to Gitmo and freed all the detainees there.  He&#8217;s at least *trying* to thread the needle on them, which I do give him credit for.</p>
<p>I disagree with Obama&#8217;s handling of economic stimulus.  But I do *NOT* think Obama is some kind of American Josef Stalin, a Marxist dictator plotting to take away all our freedoms, as RedState.com and the Freepers seem to think.  Rather, this is just life under a liberal administration, like the LBJ or FDR administrations.</p>
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		<title>By: palomino70</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-53595</link>
		<dc:creator>palomino70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As my father exclaimed recently, &quot;when does Obama have time to run the country, if he&#039;s on television everyday.&quot;  This is a question to be pondered.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only question to be pondered here is how a media consultant with 15 years of experience could write such drivel.  Like him or not, Obama clearly has the intellect and skill to give a weekly presser AND carry out the rest of his duties, i.e., walk and chew gum simultaneously.  (Remember, he&#039;s not clearing brush or getting fellated in his office, so he can &quot;waste&quot; some of his valuable time to communicate with the public.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That Ms. Wright would posit this &quot;argument&quot; as the conclusion to a long post suggests a lack of seriousness and/or depth.  Some commenters here want her axed for ideological impurity; but it&#039;s simpler than that--just give her the boot for crappy writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As my father exclaimed recently, &#8220;when does Obama have time to run the country, if he&#8217;s on television everyday.&#8221;  This is a question to be pondered.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The only question to be pondered here is how a media consultant with 15 years of experience could write such drivel.  Like him or not, Obama clearly has the intellect and skill to give a weekly presser AND carry out the rest of his duties, i.e., walk and chew gum simultaneously.  (Remember, he&#8217;s not clearing brush or getting fellated in his office, so he can &#8220;waste&#8221; some of his valuable time to communicate with the public.)</p>
<p>That Ms. Wright would posit this &#8220;argument&#8221; as the conclusion to a long post suggests a lack of seriousness and/or depth.  Some commenters here want her axed for ideological impurity; but it&#8217;s simpler than that&#8211;just give her the boot for crappy writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamiltonian</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-49378</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamiltonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shouldn&#039;t give up on Obama, yet. The fact that he&#039;s taking so much flack from the activist left suggests that he&#039;s doing something right. Although we should complain about the stimulus, huge deficits as far as the eye can see, and a very questionable cap and trade scheme, we also have a lot to be thankful for: troop increases in Afghanistan, modest (and necessary) tax increases, sensible policies concerning detainees, a let-sleeping-dogs-lie attitude toward abortion and gun control, and a general lack of hard-left policy pushes. Again, if the lefty bloggers adnd activists are whining, then we should be reassured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shouldn&#8217;t give up on Obama, yet. The fact that he&#8217;s taking so much flack from the activist left suggests that he&#8217;s doing something right. Although we should complain about the stimulus, huge deficits as far as the eye can see, and a very questionable cap and trade scheme, we also have a lot to be thankful for: troop increases in Afghanistan, modest (and necessary) tax increases, sensible policies concerning detainees, a let-sleeping-dogs-lie attitude toward abortion and gun control, and a general lack of hard-left policy pushes. Again, if the lefty bloggers adnd activists are whining, then we should be reassured.</p>
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		<title>By: jjv</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-54768</link>
		<dc:creator>jjv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, back.  As for the comments Christopher Buckley is not an idiot and he voted for Obama. Bush fatigue was real.  Young people want to be new and inclusive and Obama embodies &quot;the United Colors of Benneton.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, back.  As for the comments Christopher Buckley is not an idiot and he voted for Obama. Bush fatigue was real.  Young people want to be new and inclusive and Obama embodies &#8220;the United Colors of Benneton.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WINDe</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-51266</link>
		<dc:creator>WINDe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: NotFooled&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;No conservative of any stripe, with enough intelligence to graduate eighth grade could be taken in by the affirmative action Kenyan.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This statement is so vague and generalized, so beleaguered by bigoted linguistic earmarks, that it&#039;s impossible to agree with unless you&#039;re just as bigoted as NotFooled is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if you had said &quot;any conservative who thought Obama was going to cut taxes for the wealthiest 5% and enact a spending freeze on all facets of government isn&#039;t much of an attentive conservative&quot; I could have agreed with you.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, it&#039;s a pointlessly obvious statement to make, but good work NotFooled, way to point out the obvious with such bigoted vitriol that even another conservative can&#039;t agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: NotFooled</p>
<p>&#8220;No conservative of any stripe, with enough intelligence to graduate eighth grade could be taken in by the affirmative action Kenyan.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement is so vague and generalized, so beleaguered by bigoted linguistic earmarks, that it&#8217;s impossible to agree with unless you&#8217;re just as bigoted as NotFooled is.</p>
<p>if you had said &#8220;any conservative who thought Obama was going to cut taxes for the wealthiest 5% and enact a spending freeze on all facets of government isn&#8217;t much of an attentive conservative&#8221; I could have agreed with you.  </p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s a pointlessly obvious statement to make, but good work NotFooled, way to point out the obvious with such bigoted vitriol that even another conservative can&#8217;t agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: bens</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-52287</link>
		<dc:creator>bens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Welcome aboard Crystal- one more for the good guys! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome aboard Crystal- one more for the good guys!</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-41177</link>
		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bush spends like a drunken sailor and it&#039;s OK?  Bush suggests that Gitmo should be closed and it&#039;s OK?  But Obama does the same things and it&#039;s somehow wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bush spends like a drunken sailor and it&#8217;s OK?  Bush suggests that Gitmo should be closed and it&#8217;s OK?  But Obama does the same things and it&#8217;s somehow wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-5#comment-38780</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, Bruce Bartlett didn&#039;t help write the Contract.  It was another noted conservative, Larry Hunter, who helped write the Contract with America--and in 2008, he endorsed Obama.  Same reason.  He didn&#039;t like Bush&#039;s policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, Bruce Bartlett didn&#8217;t help write the Contract.  It was another noted conservative, Larry Hunter, who helped write the Contract with America&#8211;and in 2008, he endorsed Obama.  Same reason.  He didn&#8217;t like Bush&#8217;s policies.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-4#comment-45163</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NotFooled:  Noted conservatives Douglas Kmiec (who is a pro-life Catholic), and Bruce Bartlett (who had helped Gingrich write the Contract with America), explained why they supported Obama in 2008 instead of McCain: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They were disgusted by the Iraq War and the PATRIOT Act.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, Ms. Wright did not give her own reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NotFooled:  Noted conservatives Douglas Kmiec (who is a pro-life Catholic), and Bruce Bartlett (who had helped Gingrich write the Contract with America), explained why they supported Obama in 2008 instead of McCain: </p>
<p>They were disgusted by the Iraq War and the PATRIOT Act.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Ms. Wright did not give her own reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: NotFooled</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/obama-buyers-remorse/comment-page-4#comment-52825</link>
		<dc:creator>NotFooled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no difference between Zerobama the candidate, and the information available about him, and President Zero.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No conservative of any stripe, with enough intelligence to graduate eighth grade could be taken in by the affirmative action Kenyan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the bright side Crystal, tell &#039;em you voted &#039;bama.  You&#039;ll get invited to the best Washington parties, and of course, THAT&#039;S where it&#039;s at. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
<p>There is no difference between Zerobama the candidate, and the information available about him, and President Zero.</p>
<p>No conservative of any stripe, with enough intelligence to graduate eighth grade could be taken in by the affirmative action Kenyan.</p>
<p>On the bright side Crystal, tell &#8216;em you voted &#8216;bama.  You&#8217;ll get invited to the best Washington parties, and of course, THAT&#8217;S where it&#8217;s at.</p>
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