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		<title>By: Rockerbabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rockerbabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the writer&#039;s points are well taken and a rehash of the past.  Now WHAT do really do about the situation.  The point or inference I take objection to, is the notion that all the ills of society are the cause of single motherhood . . . I can tell you that the opposite is true.   Most kids in our country are a or where part of an intact marriage and these kids are just as &quot;mess up&quot; as those that aren&#039;t.   Talk to any teacher and just having two parents in the house is no guarantee of success or good behavior.  

As far as comprehensive sex education is concerned;  it has been a &quot;hit or miss&quot; situation in this country.  Where it is taught over the long haul, the fewer unplanned pregnancies.  Here in Georgia, where teaching kids about responsible sex, is a non-starter topic, we have lots of unplanned pregnancies.   Of course, we have repugs running the Governor&#039;s and the Legislative branches of the government - enough said on that one!   Not much enlightment there!

Leave single mothers alone, they have enough issues without the likes of Ms. Wright bad-mouthing their efforts in a society that values almost no one [at least those who do not generate profits for the top 3% of our population].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the writer&#8217;s points are well taken and a rehash of the past.  Now WHAT do really do about the situation.  The point or inference I take objection to, is the notion that all the ills of society are the cause of single motherhood . . . I can tell you that the opposite is true.   Most kids in our country are a or where part of an intact marriage and these kids are just as &#8220;mess up&#8221; as those that aren&#8217;t.   Talk to any teacher and just having two parents in the house is no guarantee of success or good behavior.  </p>
<p>As far as comprehensive sex education is concerned;  it has been a &#8220;hit or miss&#8221; situation in this country.  Where it is taught over the long haul, the fewer unplanned pregnancies.  Here in Georgia, where teaching kids about responsible sex, is a non-starter topic, we have lots of unplanned pregnancies.   Of course, we have repugs running the Governor&#8217;s and the Legislative branches of the government &#8211; enough said on that one!   Not much enlightment there!</p>
<p>Leave single mothers alone, they have enough issues without the likes of Ms. Wright bad-mouthing their efforts in a society that values almost no one [at least those who do not generate profits for the top 3% of our population].</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a time when single-parnethood was stigmatized.  The more &quot;enlightened progressives&quot; thought this mentality backwards and cruel.  The more conservative lot thought this a just desert of a destructive behavior.  We are starting to see who was right.  Bad behavior hurts society as a whole.  Yet the welfare machine, engineered by well-meaning but nonetheless ignorant liberal democrats not only removed the stigma through &quot;tolerance&quot; education but even rewarded it through more cahs for more kids...and now we are reaping the whirlwind. And the very people liberals claim to care so much about were devsatated by these policies.  With friends like liberals, the poor need no enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time when single-parnethood was stigmatized.  The more &#8220;enlightened progressives&#8221; thought this mentality backwards and cruel.  The more conservative lot thought this a just desert of a destructive behavior.  We are starting to see who was right.  Bad behavior hurts society as a whole.  Yet the welfare machine, engineered by well-meaning but nonetheless ignorant liberal democrats not only removed the stigma through &#8220;tolerance&#8221; education but even rewarded it through more cahs for more kids&#8230;and now we are reaping the whirlwind. And the very people liberals claim to care so much about were devsatated by these policies.  With friends like liberals, the poor need no enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boola Boola I am tired of hearing the &quot;better a good signle mom than bad mom and dad&quot; argument because that is a false alternative.  The overwhelming evidence shows that a child has a better shot at all aspects of life be it health, wealth, happiness, etc. growing up in a two-parent household.  There is no &quot;casual link&quot; between single parenting and bad parenting...there is a direct corrolation.  

This of course is anathema to liberals because that makes poverty now a social/moral issue than it does an economic one alone and thus is their favorite panacea for all of society&#039;s ills, throwing money at the problem through increasing government largesse at the expense of taxpayers through ever more crushing wealth redistribution.  Money is a band-aid not the cure.  The wound is societal break-down that has condemned 70% of Black children, over 30% of hispanic and 25% of whites to perpetual single-parenthood (figures off top of head so may be a little  off but generally ballpark).

yes, of course on loving mother is better than two alcoholic, drug addicted or physically abusive [arents, but these represent not the norms but the exception (certainly the latter).  And anyone who has had two parents in their lives knows that both mom and dad bring something to the table to make the child a more complete person.  Anecdotal: I saw a kid on  the monkey bars at the playground recently.  The mother was admonishing him to be careful and don&#039;t fall.  The father was encouraging him to make it all the way across and not be afraid.  Prudence and risk-taking all in one lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boola Boola I am tired of hearing the &#8220;better a good signle mom than bad mom and dad&#8221; argument because that is a false alternative.  The overwhelming evidence shows that a child has a better shot at all aspects of life be it health, wealth, happiness, etc. growing up in a two-parent household.  There is no &#8220;casual link&#8221; between single parenting and bad parenting&#8230;there is a direct corrolation.  </p>
<p>This of course is anathema to liberals because that makes poverty now a social/moral issue than it does an economic one alone and thus is their favorite panacea for all of society&#8217;s ills, throwing money at the problem through increasing government largesse at the expense of taxpayers through ever more crushing wealth redistribution.  Money is a band-aid not the cure.  The wound is societal break-down that has condemned 70% of Black children, over 30% of hispanic and 25% of whites to perpetual single-parenthood (figures off top of head so may be a little  off but generally ballpark).</p>
<p>yes, of course on loving mother is better than two alcoholic, drug addicted or physically abusive [arents, but these represent not the norms but the exception (certainly the latter).  And anyone who has had two parents in their lives knows that both mom and dad bring something to the table to make the child a more complete person.  Anecdotal: I saw a kid on  the monkey bars at the playground recently.  The mother was admonishing him to be careful and don&#8217;t fall.  The father was encouraging him to make it all the way across and not be afraid.  Prudence and risk-taking all in one lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: BoolaBoola</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoolaBoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s quite so simple.   I&#039;m willing to bet a single smart, motivated parent could raise a smarter kid than two stupid, lazy, and/or distracted parents.

I bet what you&#039;re seeing is a confounder--some factor which causes both single parenthood and bad parenthood is creating the illusion of a causal link from one to the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s quite so simple.   I&#8217;m willing to bet a single smart, motivated parent could raise a smarter kid than two stupid, lazy, and/or distracted parents.</p>
<p>I bet what you&#8217;re seeing is a confounder&#8211;some factor which causes both single parenthood and bad parenthood is creating the illusion of a causal link from one to the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The teen pregnancy problem didn&#039;t start when federal funds were given to comprehensive sex education, either, so the questiosn remain:  

Do the teens who receive comprehensive sex ed from people other than their parents have fewer pregnancies than those who don&#039;t? 

Do teens who receive comprehensive sex ed have fewer pregnancies than those who receive abstinence-only sex ed?

I see what you&#039;re saying about &quot;reported&quot; pregnancies, but it seems counterintuitive that abstinence-only education would cause teens to report more actual pregnancies than otherwise, or that comprehensive sex ed would make them more likely to conceal actual pregnancies.    If you have peer-reviewed research that suggests this, then I&#039;d like to see it.

Without good evidence to the contrary, I&#039;ll assume that sixty-percent fewer reported pregnancies among the comprehensive sex ed recipients is largely attributable to fewer actual pregnancies among that group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teen pregnancy problem didn&#8217;t start when federal funds were given to comprehensive sex education, either, so the questiosn remain:  </p>
<p>Do the teens who receive comprehensive sex ed from people other than their parents have fewer pregnancies than those who don&#8217;t? </p>
<p>Do teens who receive comprehensive sex ed have fewer pregnancies than those who receive abstinence-only sex ed?</p>
<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying about &#8220;reported&#8221; pregnancies, but it seems counterintuitive that abstinence-only education would cause teens to report more actual pregnancies than otherwise, or that comprehensive sex ed would make them more likely to conceal actual pregnancies.    If you have peer-reviewed research that suggests this, then I&#8217;d like to see it.</p>
<p>Without good evidence to the contrary, I&#8217;ll assume that sixty-percent fewer reported pregnancies among the comprehensive sex ed recipients is largely attributable to fewer actual pregnancies among that group.</p>
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		<title>By: joemarier</title>
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		<dc:creator>joemarier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin-B, keep in mind they&#039;re going by &quot;reported&quot; pregnancies.  And I&#039;m talking generally about the large, multidecade time horizon here, anyway.   The teen pregnancy problem did not start when federal funds were pulled from SIECUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin-B, keep in mind they&#8217;re going by &#8220;reported&#8221; pregnancies.  And I&#8217;m talking generally about the large, multidecade time horizon here, anyway.   The teen pregnancy problem did not start when federal funds were pulled from SIECUS.</p>
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		<title>By: JeninCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeninCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;kevin-b // Oct 25, 2009 at 10:08 am 

That sounds like a testable hypothesis. Can you provide links to studies that support it?&quot;


I don&#039;t have any links to support it because it&#039;s simply my opinion based on firsthand experience with pregnant teen girls and their boyfriends. And this is not a black/white issue, it crosses racial lines. This is the government becoming the father figure in our society and emmasculating the males by  removing their responsibility to their women and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;kevin-b // Oct 25, 2009 at 10:08 am </p>
<p>That sounds like a testable hypothesis. Can you provide links to studies that support it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any links to support it because it&#8217;s simply my opinion based on firsthand experience with pregnant teen girls and their boyfriends. And this is not a black/white issue, it crosses racial lines. This is the government becoming the father figure in our society and emmasculating the males by  removing their responsibility to their women and children.</p>
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		<title>By: Single moms need reform school? &#171; O Solo Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Single moms need reform school? &#171; O Solo Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Single moms need reform&#160;school?  At NewMajority, where they have boldly dedicated themselves “to the modernization and renewal of the Republican party and the conservative movement,” the following photo was selected for a story about kids of single moms doing badly at school. (&#8221;No School Reform Until Single Moms Reform&#8220;) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Single moms need reform&nbsp;school?  At NewMajority, where they have boldly dedicated themselves “to the modernization and renewal of the Republican party and the conservative movement,” the following photo was selected for a story about kids of single moms doing badly at school. (&#8221;No School Reform Until Single Moms Reform&#8220;) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, studies have shown that the percentage of black women having kids out of wedlock has been declining since the 1970s.  Back then, the percentage was as high as 75% in some states; now as Ms. Wright says, it&#039;s around 50%.

Perhaps the Gingrich welfare reforms of the 1990s had something to do with it.

Perhaps fear of AIDS has caused single black women to have fewer sexual partners and consider bonding with just one.

Or perhaps it&#039;s just the increasing affluence of African-Americans.  A single black career woman working as a Fortune 500 executive may feel she&#039;s too busy to look after ANY kids by herself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, studies have shown that the percentage of black women having kids out of wedlock has been declining since the 1970s.  Back then, the percentage was as high as 75% in some states; now as Ms. Wright says, it&#8217;s around 50%.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Gingrich welfare reforms of the 1990s had something to do with it.</p>
<p>Perhaps fear of AIDS has caused single black women to have fewer sexual partners and consider bonding with just one.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s just the increasing affluence of African-Americans.  A single black career woman working as a Fortune 500 executive may feel she&#8217;s too busy to look after ANY kids by herself!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Comprehensive sex ed won’t help. Many of these girls want to get pregnant because it gives their lives purpose, and the fathers know they’re off the hook becuase the government will step in with welfare, WIC, etc., and the maternal grandparents will help care for the kids.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That sounds like a testable hypothesis.  Can you provide links to studies that support it?

The study I linked to showed that comprehensive sex education &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; reduce teen pregnancy compared with either abstinence only education or no sex education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Comprehensive sex ed won’t help. Many of these girls want to get pregnant because it gives their lives purpose, and the fathers know they’re off the hook becuase the government will step in with welfare, WIC, etc., and the maternal grandparents will help care for the kids.</p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds like a testable hypothesis.  Can you provide links to studies that support it?</p>
<p>The study I linked to showed that comprehensive sex education <b>did</b> reduce teen pregnancy compared with either abstinence only education or no sex education.</p>
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