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		<title>By: aDude</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/no-immunity-from-radical-islam/comment-page-1#comment-77585</link>
		<dc:creator>aDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most terrorism that I&#039;ve seen stems not from poverty, but from a sense that a glorious past has somehow been taken away.  In same cases, it is a very long ago past, but seems as real and as important to the present day as 9/11 seems to us.

Ever notice how even though the Civil War was a century and a half in the past, there are a lot of places in the Deep South where they still haven&#039;t gotten over it?  That longing for the antebellum world led to the greatest terrorism movement in American History - the Ku Klux Klan.  During it&#039;s reign of terror thousands of American citizens were lynched, burned, shot, blown up, or otherwise murdered.

England conquered Ireland a half a millennium ago, yet the Irish Republican Army was still fighting in the 20th century, achieving success in the southern counties in 1920, while the major fight in Northern Ireland continued until the Irish Accords of 1997 (and some renegade factions still fight today).

Ever notice how the threat we face is not from Turkish Muslims, or Indonesian Muslims, or Bangladeshi Muslims, but very specifically from Arabic Muslims?  Once again, they had a flourishing and advanced civilization while Western Europe was in the Dark Ages.  (Ever notice how our numeric system is based on &quot;Arabic&quot; numerals, and advanced mathematics is called Al-gebra (yes, algebra is an Arabic word).  In literature and medicine the Arabic world was well ahead of the rest of the planet.

But in the 15th century the Arabic lands were conquered by the Turkish Ottoman Empire.  While the Turks are Muslim, their system of government stifled the Arabic culture for centuries.  Much later, starting in the late 18th century and going well into the 20th century, European countries began to pick off the pieces of the Ottoman &quot;sick man of Europe.&quot;  It wasn&#039;t until my lifetime that most Arabic countries finally gained total independence.

The damage was done.  Western Europe emerged from its millennium in the darkness to achieve phenomenal success culturally, politically, economically, and scientifically.  The Arabic lands had hardly progressed beyond that glorious era 500 years ago.  Every Arab knows their history and their lost culture.  And many Arabs feel a sense of frustration and anger that history somehow betrayed them.  While it is irrational, some take this frustration out on the dominant culture - the West.

If you want to understand the mind of an Arab terrorist, just visit the American South, or Northern Ireland, or the Basque region of Spain.  It&#039;s not poverty.  It&#039;s not ideology.  It&#039;s not religion.  It&#039;s history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most terrorism that I&#8217;ve seen stems not from poverty, but from a sense that a glorious past has somehow been taken away.  In same cases, it is a very long ago past, but seems as real and as important to the present day as 9/11 seems to us.</p>
<p>Ever notice how even though the Civil War was a century and a half in the past, there are a lot of places in the Deep South where they still haven&#8217;t gotten over it?  That longing for the antebellum world led to the greatest terrorism movement in American History &#8211; the Ku Klux Klan.  During it&#8217;s reign of terror thousands of American citizens were lynched, burned, shot, blown up, or otherwise murdered.</p>
<p>England conquered Ireland a half a millennium ago, yet the Irish Republican Army was still fighting in the 20th century, achieving success in the southern counties in 1920, while the major fight in Northern Ireland continued until the Irish Accords of 1997 (and some renegade factions still fight today).</p>
<p>Ever notice how the threat we face is not from Turkish Muslims, or Indonesian Muslims, or Bangladeshi Muslims, but very specifically from Arabic Muslims?  Once again, they had a flourishing and advanced civilization while Western Europe was in the Dark Ages.  (Ever notice how our numeric system is based on &#8220;Arabic&#8221; numerals, and advanced mathematics is called Al-gebra (yes, algebra is an Arabic word).  In literature and medicine the Arabic world was well ahead of the rest of the planet.</p>
<p>But in the 15th century the Arabic lands were conquered by the Turkish Ottoman Empire.  While the Turks are Muslim, their system of government stifled the Arabic culture for centuries.  Much later, starting in the late 18th century and going well into the 20th century, European countries began to pick off the pieces of the Ottoman &#8220;sick man of Europe.&#8221;  It wasn&#8217;t until my lifetime that most Arabic countries finally gained total independence.</p>
<p>The damage was done.  Western Europe emerged from its millennium in the darkness to achieve phenomenal success culturally, politically, economically, and scientifically.  The Arabic lands had hardly progressed beyond that glorious era 500 years ago.  Every Arab knows their history and their lost culture.  And many Arabs feel a sense of frustration and anger that history somehow betrayed them.  While it is irrational, some take this frustration out on the dominant culture &#8211; the West.</p>
<p>If you want to understand the mind of an Arab terrorist, just visit the American South, or Northern Ireland, or the Basque region of Spain.  It&#8217;s not poverty.  It&#8217;s not ideology.  It&#8217;s not religion.  It&#8217;s history.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank Muslims for helping me abandon any last notions of &quot;we are the world&quot; or &quot;their culture is just as good as ours&quot;. This is why I would love to see immigration, at least from Islamic countries, stopped, no exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank Muslims for helping me abandon any last notions of &#8220;we are the world&#8221; or &#8220;their culture is just as good as ours&#8221;. This is why I would love to see immigration, at least from Islamic countries, stopped, no exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims again, whatever, it&#039;s the religion of pieces. I don&#039;t expect people to love or even like us, but just to have the basic humanity and morals not to kill or torture over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims again, whatever, it&#8217;s the religion of pieces. I don&#8217;t expect people to love or even like us, but just to have the basic humanity and morals not to kill or torture over it.</p>
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		<title>By: BoolaBoola</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoolaBoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know that there are people in this world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT!&quot;--Tom Lehrer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know that there are people in this world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT!&#8221;&#8211;Tom Lehrer</p>
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		<title>By: ProfNickD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post -- the entire idea that &quot;poverty causes terrorism&quot; is laughable. Nobody sees Gambians hijacking planes; nobody sees Laotians beheading innocents; nobody sees Guatamalans blowing up teenagers in pizza parlors.

Nope: it&#039;s only Muslims commtting contemporary terrorism, somehow despite the fact that most Muslim countries are not amongst the least developed countries of the world. Maybe it&#039;s something other than one&#039;s material well-being that accounts for terrorism -- say, one&#039;s religion?

(Interesting study on the relationship between poverty and terrorism puts to rest the &quot;poverty causes terrorism&quot; nonsense):

 http://www.nber.org/papers/w9074

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118358989440157536-search.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post &#8212; the entire idea that &#8220;poverty causes terrorism&#8221; is laughable. Nobody sees Gambians hijacking planes; nobody sees Laotians beheading innocents; nobody sees Guatamalans blowing up teenagers in pizza parlors.</p>
<p>Nope: it&#8217;s only Muslims commtting contemporary terrorism, somehow despite the fact that most Muslim countries are not amongst the least developed countries of the world. Maybe it&#8217;s something other than one&#8217;s material well-being that accounts for terrorism &#8212; say, one&#8217;s religion?</p>
<p>(Interesting study on the relationship between poverty and terrorism puts to rest the &#8220;poverty causes terrorism&#8221; nonsense):</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nber.org/papers/w9074" rel="nofollow">http://www.nber.org/papers/w9074</a></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118358989440157536-search.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118358989440157536-search.html</a></p>
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