Comments on: New Polls: Obama May Be Human After All

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:29:20 +0000

Franco:
On issues of domestic tranquillity, national defense, Islamist terrorism, gun rights, the preservation of Western civliization--I've *always* been right-wing. Surprise!

But you notice: New Majority rarely posts articles on those topics. Instead, they spend their time on abortion, gay rights, and the economy, where I'm not as right-wing.
(I blame those investment brokers for leveraging themselves 40 to 1 with America's hard-earned wealth as their down payment. And then dragging us down the chute with them.)

This has given folks here (like you) a FALSE picture of my politics.

If you only asked Rudy Giuliani about abortion and how nice New York City is and nothing else, you would conclude he's a liberal too! Only if you talked to him about crime or terrorism or taxes would you get a different picture.

By: ChristianMiller

ChristianMiller — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:16:17 +0000

sinz,Reading your posts it looks like you are coming around a little and taking a somewhat harder line. That is what the left will teach you. otto and others are despicable in their methods and anyone familiar with facts and logic begins to see through them pretty quickly. Once you start to see this, the methodology translates across the board and the tactics are exposed. Then we begin to see how it doesn’t really matter what WE do as they will say the same thing regardless, making up lies, exaggerating and creating false links. Thanks otto for being yourself!

By: ottovbvs

ottovbvs — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:07:17 +0000

barker13
6/19/2009
8:13 AM

"No. I don't think so, Otto. Obviously those who are "anti-Obama" don't trust him; speculatively those who voted for someone other than Obama last November don't "basically trust him."

..........His approval ratings remain at 60% plus....He got 53% of the vote last November......His approval "gap" is 30% over the Republicans who enjoy their worst ever approval ratings of 25-30%. Nit pick all you like barker the country by massive majorities trusts this guy.

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:56:37 +0000

KL7212: We have a two-party system. Historically, voters decide to go with the opposition party only when the incumbent party is becoming discredited. When the Dems screw up, the Republicans *automatically* start to look like a decent alternative; and vice versa. As long as Obama remains popular, the GOP can’t win no matter what it says or does. The opposition party has no chance to win against a President with an approval rating of 60%. It has to wait for him to screw up on something–like the exploding deficits, or stagflation which may flare up later in his administration, or something else. Or it has to wait for the public to grow impatient with continuing high unemployment.

By: KL7212

KL7212 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:49:12 +0000

“That said, unless Republicans get serious about reigning in spending right now, they will not be able to capitalize on this issue going forward. To credibly argue that the Obama administration is irresponsible for running up the deficits, the GOP will have to stop being the party of the supply sider and go back to being the party of the deficit hawk. Read my lips: new taxes..for everyone will be politically painful in the short term, but Republican outrage over public spending is going to fall on deaf ears until the party backs up its words with actions.”Excellent point, Jeb.

By: KL7212

KL7212 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:47:03 +0000

"I hate to admit it, but the GOP is right about what they're doing: Hammer away at Obama's weak points (the soaring deficit and government spending, which polls show is a real concern to Americans), and wait until the public sours on the Administration. Then the GOP can propose a positive alternative."

Well, Ronald Reagan's agenda and policies weren't nearly as popular as Reagan himself. How well did that work for opposition Democrats?

Sinz, there are a few problems with your scenario.

1.) The GOP is deeply unpopular with the American people.

2.) The GOP has little to no credibility with the public on the issue of spending.

3.) The public largely blames the GOP for the mess in which we find ourselves.

It's hard for the leaders of the Republican Party to propose a "positive" alternative when they don't have one. And as long as the "jobs" issue remains the paramount concern of most people, the Republicans will be unable to gain any traction (see no. 3).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be assuming that the Republicans can somehow regain control of the narrative and that the other side isn't capable of fighting back.

The Party, the Republican Party, that is, is in a deep hole.

By: Bulldoglover100

Bulldoglover100 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:16:36 +0000

Sad part of all of this is the Republicans once again fell lower in favor in those same polls so while Obama may be hurting a tad bit? We are still circling the drain.Instead of being happy that he fell..what? 1 or 2 points? We should be focused on how to fix this party and stop looking for headlines that we think gives us positive attention.

By: barker13

barker13 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:15:27 +0000

Re: Sinz54; wrote 37 minutes ago --

To echo an earlier comment...

When Sinz is right... she's right.

(*SHRUG*)

BILL

By: barker13

barker13 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:13:01 +0000

Re: Ottovbvs; 6:03 AM --

"These "issue" polls...are fairly worthless either because the questions are loaded or because those being polled either don't understand the issue or are unfocused on it."

(*SHRUG*) Hey... when he's right, he's right.

(Score one for Otto!) (*GRIN*)

"The public basically trusts Obama..."

No. I don't think so, Otto. Obviously those who are "anti-Obama" don't trust him; speculatively those who voted for someone other than Obama last November don't "basically trust him."

(*SHRUG*) (Right...???)

Just as obviously his base still "trusts" him. Partisan democrats trust him (If he fired HRC for whatever reason that would change. Not that I'm saying he'd do this... I'm just making a point by posing a scenario.)

It's those who voted for Obama reluctantly (the lesser of two evils...) and to a lesser extent those who voted for McCain reluctantly (but not because they thought McCain was too liberal, rather, because they thought McCain would simply be Bush II) who slowly but surely are losing faith in Obama and the Dems.

Re: Commie Stooge; 6:42 AM --

"...the present financial emergency hasn't really affected you unless you've lost your job or your house."

A simplistic reading... (not yours, CS, the public's)... but a great deal of truth to it nevertheless.

Folks near retirement age who lost a lot of money in the markets - whose IRA's and other retirement funding vehicles took huge hits - these folks would no doubt disagree with the thesis they've been "unaffected," and of course I could point to other examples, but yeah... I recognize your overall point and agree with it.

"The restaurants & malls are full again."

Nope. It's better than it was... but, no, we're nowhere close to recovery. Employment continues to fall in absolute terms month by month. (And no doubt you're aware of how "good news" is often skewed by flawed methodology in government statistical constructions - i.e. the assumption that when you've run out of unemployment insurance and no longer collecting the government stats "assume" you're no longer unemployed.

(And let's not even try to figure out the true underemployment stats...) (*SIGH*)

Anyway... (*SMILE*)... back to the "parallels made between Obama & FDR," raise your hand if you can hardly wait for WW-3 to serve as a vehicle for full employment and getting us out of recession?

(*SNORT*) (*CHUCKLE*) (Ya see my point... right?)

BILL

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:35:47 +0000

midcon sez: "Many of us, including you, have been nearly screaming for the GOP to say something other than No."

American history is NOT on your side here.

Americans don't switch parties just because the challenger party seems to have a somewhat better idea than the incumbent party. Rather, they stick with the incumbent unless and until the incumbent screws up.

I hate to admit it, but the GOP is right about what they're doing: Hammer away at Obama's weak points (the soaring deficit and government spending, which polls show is a real concern to Americans), and wait until the public sours on the Administration. Then the GOP can propose a positive alternative.

If the public doesn't sour on the Obama administration and the Dem Party, then it doesn't matter if the GOP has America's best proposals ever. The public will say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"--and stick with the Dems.

The GOP can only win if and only if the Dems are not winning.