Comments on: Michael Steele For Rnc Chair http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: InTheMiddle12 http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-52467 InTheMiddle12 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:04:41 +0000 #comment-52467 BUZZ: OK. I guess I take it as elementary that politicians should advocate policy. American people care about policies, not politics, though the words are rooted in the same root, so to speak. The GOP either lost touch with their policies or didn't execute them. At this point I can't tell you what the GOP policies are other than attempting to balance the President's economic policy. I think the GOP would be smart to wait 6 months before beginning to shape any policies to see what they're reacting to. They are not in power, under any stretch of the imagination. But they should be doing a lot of reflecting on what it means to be in the GOP. It'll be interesting to see what Steele does with this. No doubt he'll be looking to Cameron over in the UK who took the Conservatives to the middle and is making a big come back BUZZ: OK. I guess I take it as elementary that politicians should advocate policy. American people care about policies, not politics, though the words are rooted in the same root, so to speak. The GOP either lost touch with their policies or didn’t execute them. At this point I can’t tell you what the GOP policies are other than attempting to balance the President’s economic policy. I think the GOP would be smart to wait 6 months before beginning to shape any policies to see what they’re reacting to. They are not in power, under any stretch of the imagination. But they should be doing a lot of reflecting on what it means to be in the GOP. It’ll be interesting to see what Steele does with this. No doubt he’ll be looking to Cameron over in the UK who took the Conservatives to the middle and is making a big come back

]]> By: fact based http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-48143 fact based Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:55:22 +0000 #comment-48143 While speaking to the Baltimore Jewish Council, Michael Steele compared doctors conducting stem cell research to Nazis performing human experiments during the Holocaust: "You of all folks know what happens when people decide to experiment on human beings, when they want to take your life and use it as a tool." [Associated Press, 2/10/06] While speaking to the Baltimore Jewish Council, Michael Steele compared doctors conducting stem cell research to Nazis performing human experiments during the Holocaust: “You of all folks know what happens when people decide to experiment on human beings, when they want to take your life and use it as a tool.” [Associated Press, 2/10/06]

]]> By: suey http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-45886 suey Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:01:34 +0000 #comment-45886 I don't think the left is the demon you suppose. The right called Obama the "affirmative action" candidate but this was mainly the wing nut side of the spectrum. Some at the left side of Daily Kos may joke in response to what was said about Obama but anyone with any position will not. Expect a call of congratulations to Steele from Obama about now.. Ring...Ring I don’t think the left is the demon you suppose. The right called Obama the
“affirmative action” candidate but this was mainly the wing nut side of the spectrum. Some at the left side of Daily Kos may joke in response to what was said about Obama but anyone with any position will not. Expect a call of congratulations to Steele from Obama about now.. Ring…Ring

]]> By: ireign http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-47639 ireign Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:52:47 +0000 #comment-47639 That's a fair point. Although Bloomberg and many other politicians have dealt with a similar issue and I think many on the right were making a mountain out of a molehill. My comment, "Many of the commenters on this blog are just as intolerant as those they criticize i.e. the religious right" was not directed at anyone in particular but was something I felt reading a good number of blog comments. Buzz is correct that Steele has his own pr issues. But hopfeully he and others will go to mat and effectively end this cry of tokenism that the left is likely to make. That’s a fair point. Although Bloomberg and many other politicians have dealt with a similar issue and I think many on the right were making a mountain out of a molehill.

My comment, “Many of the commenters on this blog are just as intolerant as those they criticize i.e. the religious right” was not directed at anyone in particular but was something I felt reading a good number of blog comments.

Buzz is correct that Steele has his own pr issues. But hopfeully he and others will go to mat and effectively end this cry of tokenism that the left is likely to make.

]]> By: Chekote http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-47619 Chekote Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:33:19 +0000 #comment-47619 ireign. I don't think that I am or have been intolerant. I was simply referring to the PR nightmare and the fact that Dawson reiforced every negative sterotype of Republicans. Talk about playing into the enemy's hand!!!!! I couldn't care less what club he belonged to. ireign. I don’t think that I am or have been intolerant. I was simply referring to the PR nightmare and the fact that Dawson reiforced every negative sterotype of Republicans. Talk about playing into the enemy’s hand!!!!! I couldn’t care less what club he belonged to.

]]> By: buzzricksons http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-54403 buzzricksons Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:31:13 +0000 #comment-54403 How long before someone at MSNBC or another such network says the RNC had to put Steele up because they needed a black guy to go against Obama? And how many crickets will chirp while the world waits for the racemongers of the left to condemn the remark? How long before someone at MSNBC or another such network says the RNC had to put Steele up because they needed a black guy to go against Obama? And how many crickets will chirp while the world waits for the racemongers of the left to condemn the remark?

]]> By: ireign http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-43922 ireign Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:17:50 +0000 #comment-43922 Once again, I thought NONE OF THE ABOVE would have been the proper outcome for today but Steele is probably the best of the bunch notwithstanding his penchant for putting his foot in his mouth. Once again, I thought NONE OF THE ABOVE would have been the proper outcome for today but Steele is probably the best of the bunch notwithstanding his penchant for putting his foot in his mouth.

]]> By: ireign http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-46149 ireign Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:16:20 +0000 #comment-46149 Congrats Michael Steele! I did want to address Chekote's posts. I would suspect that there are problem numerous country clubs in South Carolina that are all white or just have a few African-American members. That is function of who has money and power in much of today's society and how segregated the elite are in our country. In the exclusive New York City suburbs, I caddied at a country club when I was younger that was predominately Jewish and I was aware of very few Christian members and I don't remember anyone of a different race. Mayor Bloomberg was a member. I don't think him being a member made him a racist or anti-Christian just as I don't think Dawson is necessarily a racist. He might be a racist who knew of the club's policy or might be a nice guy who genuinely did not think twice about the policy. This blog commenters seem to be composed disproportionately of those who seem to want to avoid attacking any Democrat but are more than happy to assume that a Republican is a racist. You are correct electing Dawson would have been a bad PR move. But that doesn't make it right. Many of the commenters on this blog are just as intolerant as those they criticize i.e. the religious right. Congrats Michael Steele!

I did want to address Chekote’s posts. I would suspect that there are problem numerous country clubs in South Carolina that are all white or just have a few African-American members. That is function of who has money and power in much of today’s society and how segregated the elite are in our country. In the exclusive New York City suburbs, I caddied at a country club when I was younger that was predominately Jewish and I was aware of very few Christian members and I don’t remember anyone of a different race. Mayor Bloomberg was a member. I don’t think him being a member made him a racist or anti-Christian just as I don’t think Dawson is necessarily a racist. He might be a racist who knew of the club’s policy or might be a nice guy who genuinely did not think twice about the policy.

This blog commenters seem to be composed disproportionately of those who seem to want to avoid attacking any Democrat but are more than happy to assume that a Republican is a racist. You are correct electing Dawson would have been a bad PR move. But that doesn’t make it right.

Many of the commenters on this blog are just as intolerant as those they criticize i.e. the religious right.

]]> By: buzzricksons http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-50062 buzzricksons Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:16:14 +0000 #comment-50062 Middle12; I should've been more explicit. The majority class of 94 got elected overwhelmingly, and was popular for the first while (i.e. before Newt's head and ego exploded - which he details well in "Lessons Learned") based on their offering a rational, sharply distinct from the Dems, policy platform. They beat the pants off the Dems with policy, not the partisan "personal destruction" nonsense; in fact, that's the game perfected by the guy in the White House at the time. When they got baited into playing on that turf, it was game over because Bill was always the master. If they're smart enough to regroup around policy, they'll deserve to win again. If they remain mired in social-identity politics and the like, they should be shopping for outdoor gear to brace for a long time in the wilderness. Middle12; I should’ve been more explicit. The majority class of 94 got elected overwhelmingly, and was popular for the first while (i.e. before Newt’s head and ego exploded – which he details well in “Lessons Learned”) based on their offering a rational, sharply distinct from the Dems, policy platform. They beat the pants off the Dems with policy, not the partisan “personal destruction” nonsense; in fact, that’s the game perfected by the guy in the White House at the time. When they got baited into playing on that turf, it was game over because Bill was always the master. If they’re smart enough to regroup around policy, they’ll deserve to win again. If they remain mired in social-identity politics and the like, they should be shopping for outdoor gear to brace for a long time in the wilderness.

]]> By: HollywoodBill http://www.frumforum.com/michael-steele-for-rnc-chair/comment-page-2#comment-41157 HollywoodBill Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:13:37 +0000 #comment-41157 Chekote--the amount of work is unbelievable. But Steele is a good start. Chekote–the amount of work is unbelievable. But Steele is a good start.

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