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		<title>By: curiousaboutconservatives</title>
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		<dc:creator>curiousaboutconservatives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a fan of tradition. And I think traditions exist for a reason. But I also am a fan of results. I wonder why we think it&#039;s disappointing that an accidentally pregnant couple would not consider marriage. There are two situations I can think of. In the first, the couple was being responsible in terms of birth control and safe sex, but a pregnancy ensued anyway. If these generally responsible people agree that marriage would be an inappropriate choice, who am I to long for them to make a different one. Better they should make other choices about the future of the pregnancy (including having the baby in a way they feel they can responsibly support that child) than get into a marriage brought on by circumstance.

In the other case, the pregnant couple because they were being irresponsible in their sexual behavior, not practicing birth control/safe sex, etc. And in that case I know almost certainly that I&#039;m relieved if they don&#039;t get married. Already they&#039;ve proven I think that they make bad decisions as a couple (hence the pregnancy as a result of their behavior). Why would I long to doom a child to being raised by people who make bad decisions together. At least unmarried they might have a chance to do right by the child without the distraction of being unhappily married to each other.

Marriage seems like a fine tradition to me, but given the number of marriages with divorces, infidelity, and general unhappiness, I wonder if it should be as widespread as it is. I guess I&#039;m saying that I&#039;m not sure why it&#039;s often touted as the preferred configuration for people to live their lives. It seems as good an option as many. And people should choose what works for them. No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of tradition. And I think traditions exist for a reason. But I also am a fan of results. I wonder why we think it&#8217;s disappointing that an accidentally pregnant couple would not consider marriage. There are two situations I can think of. In the first, the couple was being responsible in terms of birth control and safe sex, but a pregnancy ensued anyway. If these generally responsible people agree that marriage would be an inappropriate choice, who am I to long for them to make a different one. Better they should make other choices about the future of the pregnancy (including having the baby in a way they feel they can responsibly support that child) than get into a marriage brought on by circumstance.</p>
<p>In the other case, the pregnant couple because they were being irresponsible in their sexual behavior, not practicing birth control/safe sex, etc. And in that case I know almost certainly that I&#8217;m relieved if they don&#8217;t get married. Already they&#8217;ve proven I think that they make bad decisions as a couple (hence the pregnancy as a result of their behavior). Why would I long to doom a child to being raised by people who make bad decisions together. At least unmarried they might have a chance to do right by the child without the distraction of being unhappily married to each other.</p>
<p>Marriage seems like a fine tradition to me, but given the number of marriages with divorces, infidelity, and general unhappiness, I wonder if it should be as widespread as it is. I guess I&#8217;m saying that I&#8217;m not sure why it&#8217;s often touted as the preferred configuration for people to live their lives. It seems as good an option as many. And people should choose what works for them. No?</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thoughtful piece, Thomas, but one which begs the question.  How do these children learn to get married?

Think it through.  We all take our first, deepest and most lasting training at home, from observations of our parents.  So many of your and my students couldn&#039;t, to quote one of mine, &quot;Pick their fathers out of a line-up.&quot;  As a male authority figure you have undoubtedly been as frustrated as I have been to be ignored by your students and then see them jump when any female authority figure speaks.  In fine, most of our students had no direct male guidance in the home and therefore cannt conceive of how male guidance is necessary for children.

View the world from the perspective of a teenage girl raised in such an environment.  If Mamma goes out for the evening and doesn&#039;t come home till the next morning, or if Mamma goes out and brings home her choice who performs his function and leaves, Mamma thereby teaches daughter that the man&#039;s sole functions are sex and support, and that support is not essential to this equation.  How, Thomas, is this girl to learn the value of marriage and committment?  

View the world from the perspective of that girl&#039;s brother.  His view of adult male success is to parade from bed to bed to bed.  While all adolescent males, black, white, green, paisley, would think of this as the Promised Land, how does this young man learn to commit himself to his children as an integral part of his existence.  His mother is content to receive the service without putting up with the bull so why shouldn&#039;t he believe himself entitled to act the same.

True conservatives believe everything has a price that the desirer must pay.  Perhaps, if we really want to have parents involved with their children&#039;s lives and educations, we should pay for that behavior.

Let&#039;s have the schools pay parents to come quarterly to meet with their children&#039;s teachers.  At the very least, it will eliminate the excuse that Mamma or Papi didn&#039;t know that the child is truant, inattentive, disrespectful, not working or whatever other inappropriate behavior is being manifest.  After all, if we believe that amending the tax structure has an impact on investment and consumption behavior and that Money Motivates Millionaires, why shouldn&#039;t Money Motivate Mamma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thoughtful piece, Thomas, but one which begs the question.  How do these children learn to get married?</p>
<p>Think it through.  We all take our first, deepest and most lasting training at home, from observations of our parents.  So many of your and my students couldn&#8217;t, to quote one of mine, &#8220;Pick their fathers out of a line-up.&#8221;  As a male authority figure you have undoubtedly been as frustrated as I have been to be ignored by your students and then see them jump when any female authority figure speaks.  In fine, most of our students had no direct male guidance in the home and therefore cannt conceive of how male guidance is necessary for children.</p>
<p>View the world from the perspective of a teenage girl raised in such an environment.  If Mamma goes out for the evening and doesn&#8217;t come home till the next morning, or if Mamma goes out and brings home her choice who performs his function and leaves, Mamma thereby teaches daughter that the man&#8217;s sole functions are sex and support, and that support is not essential to this equation.  How, Thomas, is this girl to learn the value of marriage and committment?  </p>
<p>View the world from the perspective of that girl&#8217;s brother.  His view of adult male success is to parade from bed to bed to bed.  While all adolescent males, black, white, green, paisley, would think of this as the Promised Land, how does this young man learn to commit himself to his children as an integral part of his existence.  His mother is content to receive the service without putting up with the bull so why shouldn&#8217;t he believe himself entitled to act the same.</p>
<p>True conservatives believe everything has a price that the desirer must pay.  Perhaps, if we really want to have parents involved with their children&#8217;s lives and educations, we should pay for that behavior.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have the schools pay parents to come quarterly to meet with their children&#8217;s teachers.  At the very least, it will eliminate the excuse that Mamma or Papi didn&#8217;t know that the child is truant, inattentive, disrespectful, not working or whatever other inappropriate behavior is being manifest.  After all, if we believe that amending the tax structure has an impact on investment and consumption behavior and that Money Motivates Millionaires, why shouldn&#8217;t Money Motivate Mamma?</p>
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		<title>By: camus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I am much more concerned with young girls having children when they cannot be supported then the decline of marriage, never play down the importance of using condoms and being smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I am much more concerned with young girls having children when they cannot be supported then the decline of marriage, never play down the importance of using condoms and being smart.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a no silver bullet issue.</description>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.........Actually the incidence of middle class and upper middle girls who become pregnant before marriage then marrying the father of their child has also dropped dramatically. Exhibit 1 the Palins.  So I&#039;m not sure this is so much a class thing as a change in social attitudes to single parents and a much greater unwillingness on the part of young girls to be trapped into marriages with young men who they would never have married in the normal course of events and who are probably quite unfitted for parenthood anyway. Preventing unwanted pregnancies ultimately comes down to education in birth control and prudence . The schools do their best although right wing idealogues constantly try to obstruct the process. This is supplemented by, or supplements, input from parents. Middle and upper middle class kids probably get more of this and operate in a more goals oriented environment than those in a less socially or financially stable environment which makes the role of schools doubly important. We can complain about it but that&#039;s how it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Actually the incidence of middle class and upper middle girls who become pregnant before marriage then marrying the father of their child has also dropped dramatically. Exhibit 1 the Palins.  So I&#8217;m not sure this is so much a class thing as a change in social attitudes to single parents and a much greater unwillingness on the part of young girls to be trapped into marriages with young men who they would never have married in the normal course of events and who are probably quite unfitted for parenthood anyway. Preventing unwanted pregnancies ultimately comes down to education in birth control and prudence . The schools do their best although right wing idealogues constantly try to obstruct the process. This is supplemented by, or supplements, input from parents. Middle and upper middle class kids probably get more of this and operate in a more goals oriented environment than those in a less socially or financially stable environment which makes the role of schools doubly important. We can complain about it but that&#8217;s how it is.</p>
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		<title>By: DFL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent essay and points to one of the major problems in American society- the decline of marriage and the family in lower strata America.  I don&#039;t know whether there is a solution now that family dysfunction is now four generations old for millions of Americans.   Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the warnings in the 60s but the response was ineffectual right, left and center.  Maybe it is an unsolvable problem which, in the words of James Burnham, means it is not a problem at all.  The poor we will always have with us said Jesus and He was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent essay and points to one of the major problems in American society- the decline of marriage and the family in lower strata America.  I don&#8217;t know whether there is a solution now that family dysfunction is now four generations old for millions of Americans.   Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the warnings in the 60s but the response was ineffectual right, left and center.  Maybe it is an unsolvable problem which, in the words of James Burnham, means it is not a problem at all.  The poor we will always have with us said Jesus and He was right.</p>
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