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		<title>By: BoolaBoola</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/ksms-trial-no-slam-dunk/comment-page-1#comment-74488</link>
		<dc:creator>BoolaBoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should James von Brunn, who shot up the Holocaust Museum, be tried?  Won&#039;t trying him give him a platform to preach race-hatred and recruit more anti-semitic murderers?  Let&#039;s just put him into a secret gulag.  MUCH more convenient than a trial!

&quot;The Snark pronounced sentence, the judge being quite
Too nervous to utter a word.
When it rose to its feet, there was silence like night, 
And the fall of a pin could be heard.

&#039;Transportation for life,&#039; was the sentence it gave,
&#039;And THEN to be fined forty pound.&#039;
The jury all cheered, though the judge said he feared
That the phrase was not legally sound.

But their wild exultation was suddenly checked,
When the jailor informed them, with tears:
Such a sentence would not have the slightest effect
As the [defendant] had been dead for some years.

The judge left the court, looking deeply disgusted.
The Snark, though a little aghast,
As lawyer to whom the defense was entrusted
Went bellowing on to the last.

Thus the Barrister dreamed, while the bellowing seemed
To grow every moment more clear,
&#039;Til he woke to the knell of a furious bell
Which the Bellman rang close to his ear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should James von Brunn, who shot up the Holocaust Museum, be tried?  Won&#8217;t trying him give him a platform to preach race-hatred and recruit more anti-semitic murderers?  Let&#8217;s just put him into a secret gulag.  MUCH more convenient than a trial!</p>
<p>&#8220;The Snark pronounced sentence, the judge being quite<br />
Too nervous to utter a word.<br />
When it rose to its feet, there was silence like night,<br />
And the fall of a pin could be heard.</p>
<p>&#8216;Transportation for life,&#8217; was the sentence it gave,<br />
&#8216;And THEN to be fined forty pound.&#8217;<br />
The jury all cheered, though the judge said he feared<br />
That the phrase was not legally sound.</p>
<p>But their wild exultation was suddenly checked,<br />
When the jailor informed them, with tears:<br />
Such a sentence would not have the slightest effect<br />
As the [defendant] had been dead for some years.</p>
<p>The judge left the court, looking deeply disgusted.<br />
The Snark, though a little aghast,<br />
As lawyer to whom the defense was entrusted<br />
Went bellowing on to the last.</p>
<p>Thus the Barrister dreamed, while the bellowing seemed<br />
To grow every moment more clear,<br />
&#8216;Til he woke to the knell of a furious bell<br />
Which the Bellman rang close to his ear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BoolaBoola</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/ksms-trial-no-slam-dunk/comment-page-1#comment-74487</link>
		<dc:creator>BoolaBoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people object that a trial will serve as a &quot;platform&quot; for KSM to &quot;preach his hate&quot;. 

Good!  Let him expose himself for what he is.  GIVE him a platform, from which to convict himself, and everyone like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people object that a trial will serve as a &#8220;platform&#8221; for KSM to &#8220;preach his hate&#8221;. </p>
<p>Good!  Let him expose himself for what he is.  GIVE him a platform, from which to convict himself, and everyone like him.</p>
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		<title>By: reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve started watching the US legal system the last few years and i can&#039;t see how this will end well. if KSM is tried under civilian rules he&#039;s going to walk, unless precedents(for civilian protection from the state) are changed which will be even worse.never mind this &quot; conservatives are scared&quot; bullshit.It&#039;s not about politics , it&#039;s about reality.these people aren&#039;t non-player characters, they are real thinking people.KSM wants you to submit to Islam or die, not because of George Bush, but because of his(KSM) beliefs.
The other thing to keep in mind is the way the world will view the US. If you can&#039;t be trusted then you will be truly on your own, not a good place to be, a spot that will cost you a price that can be only paid in blood.
by the way if you convict the rough men(SEALS), then who will stand ready to defend you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve started watching the US legal system the last few years and i can&#8217;t see how this will end well. if KSM is tried under civilian rules he&#8217;s going to walk, unless precedents(for civilian protection from the state) are changed which will be even worse.never mind this &#8221; conservatives are scared&#8221; bullshit.It&#8217;s not about politics , it&#8217;s about reality.these people aren&#8217;t non-player characters, they are real thinking people.KSM wants you to submit to Islam or die, not because of George Bush, but because of his(KSM) beliefs.<br />
The other thing to keep in mind is the way the world will view the US. If you can&#8217;t be trusted then you will be truly on your own, not a good place to be, a spot that will cost you a price that can be only paid in blood.<br />
by the way if you convict the rough men(SEALS), then who will stand ready to defend you?</p>
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		<title>By: txanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>txanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how you spin it, the former administration screwed up from the very beginning. By identifying detainee&#039;s as enemy combatants instead pf POW&#039;s they created a legal limbo nightmare.

After only three convictions through military tribunals, the chickenhawks are wetting their pants now that this administration will actually seek the justice we all want and need.

So hide under you beds and scream at the top of your lungs until the trials are over. When it&#039;s safe to come out you can join the rest of Americans who will be rejoicing the fact that terrorism failed to frighten us into giving up our fundamental freedoms and abandoning  the rule of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how you spin it, the former administration screwed up from the very beginning. By identifying detainee&#8217;s as enemy combatants instead pf POW&#8217;s they created a legal limbo nightmare.</p>
<p>After only three convictions through military tribunals, the chickenhawks are wetting their pants now that this administration will actually seek the justice we all want and need.</p>
<p>So hide under you beds and scream at the top of your lungs until the trials are over. When it&#8217;s safe to come out you can join the rest of Americans who will be rejoicing the fact that terrorism failed to frighten us into giving up our fundamental freedoms and abandoning  the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
If KSM gets a reduced sentence (or even worse, is acquitted) on a technicality like O.J. Simpson, we conservatives are going to hang that entire fiasco around Obama’s neck.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You referring to the case where an inept district attorney got her head handed to her? Sorry, gang that couldn&#039;t shoot straight left office last January. I don&#039;t have to pray for anything, president Obama is going to do what all you tough talking Rambo&#039;s were unable to get done after seven years.

As for what conservatives will be outraged about this week or next, who cars. All that matters is outrage and Glenn Beck will have tears rolling down his cheeks next week about something I have no down and Rush we be blowing hard about who knows what, provided his Oxycontin supply isn&#039;t running low and he has to go scrounge more.

It&#039;s all an act and we&#039;re wise to it.

The Republicans bet everything on no, this year and got the Vaseline blues for their trouble. The teabaggers handed us NY-23, Sarah Palin is every less liked nor believable as a presidential candidate, and Mr. Obama is about to take Afghanistan off the table as an issue you can hit us with.

Whatsit going to be next year, Obama&#039;s really an alien?</description>
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If KSM gets a reduced sentence (or even worse, is acquitted) on a technicality like O.J. Simpson, we conservatives are going to hang that entire fiasco around Obama’s neck.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You referring to the case where an inept district attorney got her head handed to her? Sorry, gang that couldn&#8217;t shoot straight left office last January. I don&#8217;t have to pray for anything, president Obama is going to do what all you tough talking Rambo&#8217;s were unable to get done after seven years.</p>
<p>As for what conservatives will be outraged about this week or next, who cars. All that matters is outrage and Glenn Beck will have tears rolling down his cheeks next week about something I have no down and Rush we be blowing hard about who knows what, provided his Oxycontin supply isn&#8217;t running low and he has to go scrounge more.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all an act and we&#8217;re wise to it.</p>
<p>The Republicans bet everything on no, this year and got the Vaseline blues for their trouble. The teabaggers handed us NY-23, Sarah Palin is every less liked nor believable as a presidential candidate, and Mr. Obama is about to take Afghanistan off the table as an issue you can hit us with.</p>
<p>Whatsit going to be next year, Obama&#8217;s really an alien?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms:

If KSM gets a reduced sentence (or even worse, is acquitted) on a technicality like O.J. Simpson, we conservatives are going to hang that entire fiasco around Obama&#039;s neck.

So you had better PRAY that everything goes well in the KSM trial.  If not, Obama will not survive it politically.  His goose will be cooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms:</p>
<p>If KSM gets a reduced sentence (or even worse, is acquitted) on a technicality like O.J. Simpson, we conservatives are going to hang that entire fiasco around Obama&#8217;s neck.</p>
<p>So you had better PRAY that everything goes well in the KSM trial.  If not, Obama will not survive it politically.  His goose will be cooked.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Prime example of what could go wrong, rbottoms and likewise individuals, who would use the trial of KSM and his cohorts as a political football to indict Bush and Republicans instead of wanting to bring justice to the murderer of 3,ooo innocent human beings.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So. What.

We&#039;re such a weakling country we can&#039;t stand up to four or five doomed men saying bad things about us? Good lord, when did the Republicans become such p****ys.

Is Bin Ladin going to be any less determined to attack us if we hang them in private? Will the Muslims who already hates going to slap their foreheads  and say 9/1 was all a big misunderstanding.

Jesus, grow a pair.</description>
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Prime example of what could go wrong, rbottoms and likewise individuals, who would use the trial of KSM and his cohorts as a political football to indict Bush and Republicans instead of wanting to bring justice to the murderer of 3,ooo innocent human beings.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So. What.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re such a weakling country we can&#8217;t stand up to four or five doomed men saying bad things about us? Good lord, when did the Republicans become such p****ys.</p>
<p>Is Bin Ladin going to be any less determined to attack us if we hang them in private? Will the Muslims who already hates going to slap their foreheads  and say 9/1 was all a big misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Jesus, grow a pair.</p>
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		<title>By: jreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prime example of what could go wrong, rbottoms and likewise individuals, who would use the trial of KSM and his cohorts as a political football to indict Bush and Republicans instead of wanting to bring justice to the murderer of 3,ooo innocent human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prime example of what could go wrong, rbottoms and likewise individuals, who would use the trial of KSM and his cohorts as a political football to indict Bush and Republicans instead of wanting to bring justice to the murderer of 3,ooo innocent human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Gambling with all these probabilities is foolish at best, suicidal at worst.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good thing George Bush tried and convicted all these guys on his watch. Oh, wait...

What is with all the bowel-loosening, chickenhearted fear from the big tough Republican Party? Good lord, if there was ever a forgone conclusion the trial of KSM is it. 

Oh? What&#039;s that? Political ploy you say?

Heavens no, that would mean Republicans using the grief of 9/11 victims as a mere prop to find yet another of the 1,000 Points of Outrage against president Obama.

I do admit I&#039;d much rather have a government that could haul someone off the street and execute them without benefit of trial.

What could go wrong?</description>
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Gambling with all these probabilities is foolish at best, suicidal at worst.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Good thing George Bush tried and convicted all these guys on his watch. Oh, wait&#8230;</p>
<p>What is with all the bowel-loosening, chickenhearted fear from the big tough Republican Party? Good lord, if there was ever a forgone conclusion the trial of KSM is it. </p>
<p>Oh? What&#8217;s that? Political ploy you say?</p>
<p>Heavens no, that would mean Republicans using the grief of 9/11 victims as a mere prop to find yet another of the 1,000 Points of Outrage against president Obama.</p>
<p>I do admit I&#8217;d much rather have a government that could haul someone off the street and execute them without benefit of trial.</p>
<p>What could go wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all make mistakes, but some can have enormous consequences.  A justice system that could allow the KSM&#039;s of this world to posture,  recruit and expose opersatives while on trial is simply bad.  A justice system that could enable the KSM&#039;s of this world to stay alive (albeit in jail) is a travesty. Gambling with all these probabilities  is foolish at best, suicidal at worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all make mistakes, but some can have enormous consequences.  A justice system that could allow the KSM&#8217;s of this world to posture,  recruit and expose opersatives while on trial is simply bad.  A justice system that could enable the KSM&#8217;s of this world to stay alive (albeit in jail) is a travesty. Gambling with all these probabilities  is foolish at best, suicidal at worst.</p>
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