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		<title>By: Mittens And The Brain &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mittens And The Brain &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Noah Kristula-Green at FrumForum: Earlier today, Karl Rove participated in an online chat session to answer questions about his new book.  Viewers were able to tweet questions for Rove to respond to.  The chat was fascinating to watch for two reasons. First, it actually gave an impression of what Karl Rove might be like as a real person, and second, because it validated how online media can be more constructive and interesting then a cable TV interviewer in an echo chamber. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Noah Kristula-Green at FrumForum: Earlier today, Karl Rove participated in an online chat session to answer questions about his new book.  Viewers were able to tweet questions for Rove to respond to.  The chat was fascinating to watch for two reasons. First, it actually gave an impression of what Karl Rove might be like as a real person, and second, because it validated how online media can be more constructive and interesting then a cable TV interviewer in an echo chamber. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/karl-rove-unplugged/comment-page-1#comment-85519</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;“A teaching moment for a 10-year old … but if you’re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you’ll never grow up and take responsibility.”&lt;/b&gt;

Exactly - if the Republicans are claiming that they weren&#039;t responsible for following the law because they didn&#039;t have protocol guides ... they are not showing the responsibility we should demand from our officials.

Sorry if you took it personally.  That&#039;s your issue, not mine.

&lt;b&gt;Cheney –a highly decorated, well respected govt servant in DC– wanted to make certain that the incoming Obami didn’t run into the same problems the incoming Bush Administration experienced with Clinton’s kiddies highjinks.&lt;/b&gt;

Again, self-serving propoganda.  Not much evidence of this, except for Cheney&#039;s own words.  And given that out of the other side of his mouth he&#039;s been attacking the Obama Administration virtually from day 1, it&#039;s hard to take him seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“A teaching moment for a 10-year old … but if you’re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you’ll never grow up and take responsibility.”</p>
<p>Exactly &#8211; if the Republicans are claiming that they weren&#8217;t responsible for following the law because they didn&#8217;t have protocol guides &#8230; they are not showing the responsibility we should demand from our officials.</p>
<p>Sorry if you took it personally.  That&#8217;s your issue, not mine.</p>
<p>Cheney –a highly decorated, well respected govt servant in DC– wanted to make certain that the incoming Obami didn’t run into the same problems the incoming Bush Administration experienced with Clinton’s kiddies highjinks.</p>
<p>Again, self-serving propoganda.  Not much evidence of this, except for Cheney&#8217;s own words.  And given that out of the other side of his mouth he&#8217;s been attacking the Obama Administration virtually from day 1, it&#8217;s hard to take him seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/karl-rove-unplugged/comment-page-1#comment-85506</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh, balconesfault, this is all very tiring to keep correcting your patently dishonest spinning and silly rehashments.

No, the personal attack wasn&#039;t found in your flaccid defense of Bill Clinton&#039;s juvenile highjinks while exiting the WH (and, incidentally, stealing furniture and artwork for the Chappie estate)... the personal attack was contained here, in your words, sigh: &quot;A teaching moment for a 10-year old … but if you’re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you’ll never grow up and take responsibility.&quot;

Once again, the spin-master and troll in you fails you, balconesfault.  So tiring to have to instruct you repeatedly.

While you may think it&#039;s all self serving nonsense by the Bushes (gee, I didn&#039;t know we had jumped the farLeft shark into attacking the Bush Dynasty now? Imagine that, from you?) but it&#039;s simple fact.

Cheney --a highly decorated, well respected govt servant in DC-- wanted to make certain that the incoming Obami didn&#039;t run into the same problems the incoming Bush Administration experienced with Clinton&#039;s kiddies highjinks.

Of course what kills your position resoudningly is that the Obami did, indeed, take many of the Bush Administration policies and extended them... administrative and public policy ones.  Especially true of the &quot;please keep it secret for us, Dick&quot; strategy that the Bush Admin outlined for the incoming Obami on Afghanistan and Iraq --which the Obami followed like a passage from the Qur&#039;an being chanted from above in the new White House minaret.

You keep batting zero, balconesfault.  It&#039;s all your side has left, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh, balconesfault, this is all very tiring to keep correcting your patently dishonest spinning and silly rehashments.</p>
<p>No, the personal attack wasn&#8217;t found in your flaccid defense of Bill Clinton&#8217;s juvenile highjinks while exiting the WH (and, incidentally, stealing furniture and artwork for the Chappie estate)&#8230; the personal attack was contained here, in your words, sigh: &#8220;A teaching moment for a 10-year old … but if you’re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you’ll never grow up and take responsibility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again, the spin-master and troll in you fails you, balconesfault.  So tiring to have to instruct you repeatedly.</p>
<p>While you may think it&#8217;s all self serving nonsense by the Bushes (gee, I didn&#8217;t know we had jumped the farLeft shark into attacking the Bush Dynasty now? Imagine that, from you?) but it&#8217;s simple fact.</p>
<p>Cheney &#8211;a highly decorated, well respected govt servant in DC&#8211; wanted to make certain that the incoming Obami didn&#8217;t run into the same problems the incoming Bush Administration experienced with Clinton&#8217;s kiddies highjinks.</p>
<p>Of course what kills your position resoudningly is that the Obami did, indeed, take many of the Bush Administration policies and extended them&#8230; administrative and public policy ones.  Especially true of the &#8220;please keep it secret for us, Dick&#8221; strategy that the Bush Admin outlined for the incoming Obami on Afghanistan and Iraq &#8211;which the Obami followed like a passage from the Qur&#8217;an being chanted from above in the new White House minaret.</p>
<p>You keep batting zero, balconesfault.  It&#8217;s all your side has left, now.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nice try at the personal attack, balconesfault. You failed at this one, too.&lt;/b&gt;

Personal attack?  If you consider a criticism of the previous administration making pathetic excuses for failure to follow the law to be &quot;personal&quot; ... then it&#039;s pretty hard for us to think we&#039;re using language the same way.

&lt;b&gt;There’s no ‘dog ate my homework”… there’s only the insight that the Clinton Administration pranksters –who you seem intent on excusing– played all kinds of games that the Bush Administration’s Transition team (headed by Dick Cheney) were determined would NOT be repeated for the Obama Admin.&lt;/b&gt;

There is no evidence that this is anything but self-serving propoganda by the Bushes.  If anything, there&#039;s significantly more evidence that the Bush Administration was determined to reject out of hand everything that the Clinton Administration did as a matter of policy ... while the Obama Administration was much more receptive to incorporating things from the Bush Administration that were working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try at the personal attack, balconesfault. You failed at this one, too.</p>
<p>Personal attack?  If you consider a criticism of the previous administration making pathetic excuses for failure to follow the law to be &#8220;personal&#8221; &#8230; then it&#8217;s pretty hard for us to think we&#8217;re using language the same way.</p>
<p>There’s no ‘dog ate my homework”… there’s only the insight that the Clinton Administration pranksters –who you seem intent on excusing– played all kinds of games that the Bush Administration’s Transition team (headed by Dick Cheney) were determined would NOT be repeated for the Obama Admin.</p>
<p>There is no evidence that this is anything but self-serving propoganda by the Bushes.  If anything, there&#8217;s significantly more evidence that the Bush Administration was determined to reject out of hand everything that the Clinton Administration did as a matter of policy &#8230; while the Obama Administration was much more receptive to incorporating things from the Bush Administration that were working.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try at the personal attack, balconesfault.  You failed at this one, too.

The issue was purportedly &quot;missing emails&quot; --which weren&#039;t.  The issue was the lawyers who pressed the WH about the emails wanted them to prove that Rove, Cheney and Bush were patently evil and criminal.  The restored emails showed none of that --not even a smidge of it.  The politically motivated and highly partisan lawyers, all from CREW and Holder&#039;s law firm, are the same guys who worked to free as many terrorists as possible, worked to constrain the operation of justice on behalf of the 9-11 victims and then, like you, cried that the Bush team used civilian courts to process 300+ terrorists... but they fail to acknowledge their obstructionism and advocacy hamstrung US efforts to bring the terrorists to justice for over 6 yrs.

There&#039;s no &#039;dog ate my homework&quot;... there&#039;s only the insight that the Clinton Administration pranksters --who you seem intent on excusing-- played all kinds of games that the Bush Administration&#039;s Transition team (headed by Dick Cheney) were determined would NOT be repeated for the Obama Admin.

I can understand how you&#039;d like to spin all that away from the facts... but then, Saul Alinsky taught you guys that using ridicule to attack your superior opponents is the only tool you have in your weak, failing tool box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try at the personal attack, balconesfault.  You failed at this one, too.</p>
<p>The issue was purportedly &#8220;missing emails&#8221; &#8211;which weren&#8217;t.  The issue was the lawyers who pressed the WH about the emails wanted them to prove that Rove, Cheney and Bush were patently evil and criminal.  The restored emails showed none of that &#8211;not even a smidge of it.  The politically motivated and highly partisan lawyers, all from CREW and Holder&#8217;s law firm, are the same guys who worked to free as many terrorists as possible, worked to constrain the operation of justice on behalf of the 9-11 victims and then, like you, cried that the Bush team used civilian courts to process 300+ terrorists&#8230; but they fail to acknowledge their obstructionism and advocacy hamstrung US efforts to bring the terrorists to justice for over 6 yrs.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8216;dog ate my homework&#8221;&#8230; there&#8217;s only the insight that the Clinton Administration pranksters &#8211;who you seem intent on excusing&#8211; played all kinds of games that the Bush Administration&#8217;s Transition team (headed by Dick Cheney) were determined would NOT be repeated for the Obama Admin.</p>
<p>I can understand how you&#8217;d like to spin all that away from the facts&#8230; but then, Saul Alinsky taught you guys that using ridicule to attack your superior opponents is the only tool you have in your weak, failing tool box.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/karl-rove-unplugged/comment-page-1#comment-85467</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Turns out the Clinton Administration pranksters who stole all the Ws off the keyboards were the same ones who took all the WH protocal briefing books and failed to advise the incoming Bush Administration of many important -but not pressing- issues like email preservation. &lt;/b&gt;

Seriously?  That&#039;s the excuse?

We&#039;re talking an administration that was heavy laden with figures from the Reagan-Bush years ... and they&#039;re blaming inability to follow the law on some purportedly removed protocol briefing books?

The Republican version of &quot;the dog ate my homework&quot;.   A teaching moment for a 10-year old ... but if you&#039;re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you&#039;ll never grow up and take responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turns out the Clinton Administration pranksters who stole all the Ws off the keyboards were the same ones who took all the WH protocal briefing books and failed to advise the incoming Bush Administration of many important -but not pressing- issues like email preservation. </p>
<p>Seriously?  That&#8217;s the excuse?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking an administration that was heavy laden with figures from the Reagan-Bush years &#8230; and they&#8217;re blaming inability to follow the law on some purportedly removed protocol briefing books?</p>
<p>The Republican version of &#8220;the dog ate my homework&#8221;.   A teaching moment for a 10-year old &#8230; but if you&#8217;re making excuses like that as an adult it suggests you&#8217;ll never grow up and take responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>panamerican, that one&#039;s been played by none other than your peer and political soulmate, TeaBag or TeaBagged or TerryF99 or the other half dozen names used here by the same farLeft troll --who knows, it could even include &quot;panamerican&quot;.

btw, it didn&#039;t work.

LFC, the point about the so-called &quot;missing emails&quot; was that they were never missing in the first place.  They were restored at considerable govt expense after the Bush WH admitted in federal court that the early Bush WH didn&#039;t have a protocol in place to deal with what was, obstensibly, private communication.   That&#039;s what they thought and they were wrong... I guess all the good lawyers were busy working with John Woo.

Turns out the Clinton Administration pranksters who stole all the Ws off the keyboards were the same ones who took all the WH protocal briefing books and failed to advise the incoming Bush Administration of many important -but not pressing- issues like email preservation.  Heck, the first 3 months of the Bush Administration&#039;s lawyers were busy recreating this kind of administrative policy off Bush 41 books.  Thank you Clinton and the Hookers4Bill team.

In fact, the chasm was so great that Dick Cheney told the WH transition staff that his team wouldn&#039;t do to the incoming Obami what Clinton did to the Bush people.  You may recall, like Obama did with some redness in his cheeks, that the Bush people even put together a 1 yr plan of action on Afghanistan and Iraq for the Obami... which the Obami followed to a t, crossing each, dotting all the suggestions from the Cheney-managed Bush transition team.  And begging the Cheney people to keep it all secret from the farLeft goons and MSM.

Now, you were saying about the lawsuits to compel the WH to release the &quot;so-called&quot; missing emails.  That lawsuit was engineered by Holder&#039;s law firm and the CREW sleazebags who were defending al Qaeda terrorists and trying ever-so hard to get them out of prison, Gitmo, free to return to the battlefield and kill more US troops.  Those guys are now calling the shots for the Civil Rights thug team inside DOJ... but we didn&#039;t know that until Congress compelled Holder to answer their reasonable questions with a threat of subpoena.

You&#039;ve made some wickedly anti-American friends on your side of the aisle, LFC.  But you can be excused for that --it&#039;s only your San Francisco values running over your retreating intellect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>panamerican, that one&#8217;s been played by none other than your peer and political soulmate, TeaBag or TeaBagged or TerryF99 or the other half dozen names used here by the same farLeft troll &#8211;who knows, it could even include &#8220;panamerican&#8221;.</p>
<p>btw, it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>LFC, the point about the so-called &#8220;missing emails&#8221; was that they were never missing in the first place.  They were restored at considerable govt expense after the Bush WH admitted in federal court that the early Bush WH didn&#8217;t have a protocol in place to deal with what was, obstensibly, private communication.   That&#8217;s what they thought and they were wrong&#8230; I guess all the good lawyers were busy working with John Woo.</p>
<p>Turns out the Clinton Administration pranksters who stole all the Ws off the keyboards were the same ones who took all the WH protocal briefing books and failed to advise the incoming Bush Administration of many important -but not pressing- issues like email preservation.  Heck, the first 3 months of the Bush Administration&#8217;s lawyers were busy recreating this kind of administrative policy off Bush 41 books.  Thank you Clinton and the Hookers4Bill team.</p>
<p>In fact, the chasm was so great that Dick Cheney told the WH transition staff that his team wouldn&#8217;t do to the incoming Obami what Clinton did to the Bush people.  You may recall, like Obama did with some redness in his cheeks, that the Bush people even put together a 1 yr plan of action on Afghanistan and Iraq for the Obami&#8230; which the Obami followed to a t, crossing each, dotting all the suggestions from the Cheney-managed Bush transition team.  And begging the Cheney people to keep it all secret from the farLeft goons and MSM.</p>
<p>Now, you were saying about the lawsuits to compel the WH to release the &#8220;so-called&#8221; missing emails.  That lawsuit was engineered by Holder&#8217;s law firm and the CREW sleazebags who were defending al Qaeda terrorists and trying ever-so hard to get them out of prison, Gitmo, free to return to the battlefield and kill more US troops.  Those guys are now calling the shots for the Civil Rights thug team inside DOJ&#8230; but we didn&#8217;t know that until Congress compelled Holder to answer their reasonable questions with a threat of subpoena.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made some wickedly anti-American friends on your side of the aisle, LFC.  But you can be excused for that &#8211;it&#8217;s only your San Francisco values running over your retreating intellect.</p>
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		<title>By: DFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rove just came out saying that immigration &quot;reform&quot;(aka amnesty) should have been Bush&#039;s first priority in 2005.  What an obtuse fool Rove is.  Rove is an ugly reminder of an ugly presidency, redolent of the stench of Bush&#039;s rotting political carcass.  Rove, Cheney and Bush need to catapulted to the outer darkness of the political wilderness for the sake of the party that they ran down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rove just came out saying that immigration &#8220;reform&#8221;(aka amnesty) should have been Bush&#8217;s first priority in 2005.  What an obtuse fool Rove is.  Rove is an ugly reminder of an ugly presidency, redolent of the stench of Bush&#8217;s rotting political carcass.  Rove, Cheney and Bush need to catapulted to the outer darkness of the political wilderness for the sake of the party that they ran down.</p>
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		<title>By: panamerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>panamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would anyone care to agree with me that GOProud has been &quot;reincarnated&quot; as &quot;Independent&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would anyone care to agree with me that GOProud has been &#8220;reincarnated&#8221; as &#8220;Independent&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/karl-rove-unplugged/comment-page-1#comment-85394</link>
		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your version of the missing e-mail story is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022603765.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; uuuuh, interesting&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;LFC, I don’t recall all these missing emails you supposedly want the WH archives to produce. &lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Only after President George W. Bush returned to Texas did his officials turn over the 22 million documents. &quot;

&lt;i&gt;The emails were restored; &lt;/i&gt;
Due to lawsuits filed by two groups, one being CREW. 

&lt;i&gt;If there are some misplaced documents from the Bush WH, they’ll be discovered because nothing got past the Archives. &lt;/i&gt;
&quot;&quot;The National Archives also asked why it had not been notified about the missing messages before the ethics report&#039;s release late last week.&quot;

So an ethics report was issued without the documents?  Nothing to see here.  Go about your business.

&lt;i&gt;The emails were restored; nothing was there.&lt;/i&gt;
Oh, and all of the documents have now been released and reviewed?  Really?  You wanna&#039; go with that?

&lt;i&gt;In fact, the Bush WH also restored documents held by the RNC; nothing there either.&lt;/i&gt;
Source please?

It&#039;s so funny to watch you defend the Bush administration in this.  If Obama lost even a day of e-mails, you&#039;d be spitting up blood by now.


And let&#039;s not forget the multiple wiped interrogation tapes.  Do you want to address those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your version of the missing e-mail story is  uuuuh, interesting.</p>
<p>LFC, I don’t recall all these missing emails you supposedly want the WH archives to produce. </p>
<p>&#8220;Only after President George W. Bush returned to Texas did his officials turn over the 22 million documents. &#8221;</p>
<p>The emails were restored;<br />
Due to lawsuits filed by two groups, one being CREW. </p>
<p>If there are some misplaced documents from the Bush WH, they’ll be discovered because nothing got past the Archives.<br />
&#8220;&#8221;The National Archives also asked why it had not been notified about the missing messages before the ethics report&#8217;s release late last week.&#8221;</p>
<p>So an ethics report was issued without the documents?  Nothing to see here.  Go about your business.</p>
<p>The emails were restored; nothing was there.<br />
Oh, and all of the documents have now been released and reviewed?  Really?  You wanna&#8217; go with that?</p>
<p>In fact, the Bush WH also restored documents held by the RNC; nothing there either.<br />
Source please?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so funny to watch you defend the Bush administration in this.  If Obama lost even a day of e-mails, you&#8217;d be spitting up blood by now.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the multiple wiped interrogation tapes.  Do you want to address those?</p>
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