FF’s Livechat of GOP Debate

June 13th, 2011 at 5:42 pm | 27 Comments |

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FrumForum will be hosting a livechat tonight while we watch CNN’s GOP debate in New Hampshire. This debate will feature three candidates who will be debating for the first time in this cycle: Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich.

Here are some of the key things to watch for:

Will Everyone Gang Up on Romney? Romney maintains a steady lead in polling among GOP candidates, with Gallup reporting that support for him as “increased significantly” to 24 percent, up from 17 percent. Romney’s healthcare law is disliked by the conservative establishment and its similarities to the President’s own healthcare law led Tim Pawlenty to refer to it as “Obamneycare” on Sunday. Pawlenty has said he won’t use that term in the debate so maybe another candidate will step up to the plate.

Will The Sideshows Dominate the Debate? Many of the third-tier GOP candidates lack real seriousness. Here are some of the sideshows we can expect to see: Ron Paul raving about the Gold Standard, Herman Cain elaborating on his recent comments that Obama was raised in Kenya and Newt Gingrich trying to justify his presence on the stage despite losing his entire senior staff.

It will be in the interests of the debate’s moderators to stop the sideshows from dominating the night.

Where Do You Stand on the Ryan Plan? As long as unemployment remains high, any Republican could be competitive against Obama in a general election. One thing that could undermine this is Paul Ryan’s budget which helped the Democrats to pick up a seat in NY-26. The GOP candidates will be pressed on where they stand on Ryan’s budget and on reforming Medicare. It will be important to note which candidates say, “I would sign the Ryan plan into law” and which ones say, “Ryan is a courageous and inspirational figure, and I plan to release my own Medicare plan soon.”


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27 Comments so far ↓

  • ottovbvs

    What a f****** line up? The Republican party 2011. OMG.

  • Elvis Elvisberg

    Don’t you people know there’s a Cup final on?

  • jg bennet

    the debate reminds me of the bench scene in forrest gump where he is choosing a chocolate then tells his fellow bench sitter a little diddy that reminds me of this bunch.

    “life is like a box of chocolate’s you never know what you are going to get….. and stupid is as stupid does.”

    if these guys were chocolate’s they would be the ones you squeeze to see what is inside, notice it is one of those pink creamy crap ones and leave it for the bottom feeders or stoners. :)

    translation….they are a bunch of pinched and dried up throw aways

    this is worse than the bob dole or the dukakis season. i see a third party coming in a wreaking havoc on the establishment….then and only then it will get interesting…

  • armstp

    Here is a story that deserves more press. This is certainly more important that a faux GOP debate:

    Ridge Alleges Bush Political Pressure for Terrorism Alert

    Tom Ridge appears to be alleging in a new book that the Bush administration put political pressure on him to raise the terrorism threat level in fall of 2004 so as to help George W. Bush’s chances of reelection.

    It seemed pretty obvious to me as a close observer that games were being played with such terrorism announcements during the presidential campaign. Pakistani sources spoke of being encouraged to release terrorism-related stories during the Democratic Party convention in summer, 2004, so as to upstage John Kerry. They did so, leading to a fiasco when a Pakistani double agent, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, was outed, derailing an ongoing sting against militants in the UK.

    Ridge may have felt bad about that SNAFU, and so resisted similar pressures in October. The book is not out yet, so precise details are not yet available.

    Frances Townsend, Donald Rumsfeld and other Bush administration figures are denying the charge. But, of course, they are seasoned liars and so their denials don’t count for much.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32501273/

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/06/ridge-alleges-bush-political-pressure-for-terrorism-alert.html

    http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/ghost-of-muhammad-naeem-noor-khan-john.html

    To me this is just as significant as Watergate or Reagan holding back the freeing of the hostages in Iran to win an election over Carter. Why is it always the GOP that does these scumbag things?

    This seems more relevant to the democracy of the United States than Weiner’s penis.

  • elizajane

    armstp,
    that’s an old story — of course, nobody paid attention to it two years ago, either.

    • armstp

      eliza,

      There was speculation two years ago, but we did not have an actual adminstration offical spelling this out on paper. Add Gonzales and Card going to Ashcroft’s hospital bed to get him to sign-off on warrantless wiretapping and domestic spying and you really have a case for very serious corruption during Bush’s time. Bush should have been impeached just on this stuff, nevermind about lying the country into war. They tried to impeach Clinton on a blow job.

  • dubmod

    Do you think any of our ” journalists” will actually use the word “infrastructure” during these debates? Or address the relatsionship between infrastucture and taxes? It is the countries which have failed to collect taxes like Greece and Argentina that have or will default.

  • Deep South Populist

    John King is a joke. He totally distorted Cain’s answer on Sharia law.

  • politicalfan

    Did anyone standout this evening? Tuned in late.

    • Bunker555

      Missed nothing. Same old talking points.

    • anniemargret

      President Obama….he was on everyone’s lips.

      And I was waiting to see all of them whip out their wallets to show everyone their 23 kids and 84 grandkids.

      Yawn….

  • rubbernecker

    Did anyone standout this evening?

    Mrs. Frum.

  • CentristNYer

    If I were still an active Republican, I’d be looking forward to 2016. This is unquestionably the sorriest group of candidates ever fielded by a national party. Absolutely pathetic.

  • politicalfan

    How did Michele Bachmann do this evening?

    ‘Anderson Cooper’ is keeping them honest after the debate!

  • anniemargret

    Bachmann did well. She is by far over Palin’s head. Wish I could like her, but her views are so far out. She wants to do away with the EPA? c’mon. She just finished touting her 23 kids and grandkids. She wants less regulation and more pollution?

  • Alex 0_0

    Mitt Romney would reinstate DADT? And it’s not personal, right? Do you know what that kind of bully talk does to the 115,000 gays and lesbians in uniform already? That’s ok though, none of you moderates Republicans hate gays irl, just when it’s convenient politically.

    • dante

      Completely not interested in watching the debate (I like my hair the way it is, thank you), especially since the Stanley Cup is on, but did anyone follow up with the next logical question on this? Ie, “what would your plan be for the servicemen/women who ‘outed’ themselves while DADT wasn’t in affect?”

      Because I can’t see that playing out well whichever way you try to implement it…

  • medinnus

    To sum up – Romney was not torpedoed, which makes him the winner. Bachmann did well, in that she presented well, but her policy choices are totally aimed to alienate the centrists and independents – which are needed for electoral victory. T-Paw and Santorum needed to bury Romney, and they didn’t; they lose. Ron Paul did his usual job, but also as usual nobody cared.

    Romney/Bachmann ticket in November.

  • valkayec

    Romney/Bachmann ticket in November.

    That ticket is sure to be a winner for the GOP base. I’m not sure it can beat Obama, but given the economy and how even the split the country is who knows. Nevertheless, it’s still really early in the process. So much can change between now and Nov ’12.

    Just caught a re-run of the end of the debate. Can I regurgitate now? What a bunch of political spin. Can we hook up each candidate to some sort of machine which would tell us if they’re lying, making tings up or are just crazy? Dem debates often go off the wall on spin, but this one goes just too far. Enough already!!!!

    • medinnus

      Oh, I wouldn’t vote for any ticket with a Tea Party Christianist on it – but it could win the GOP nomination, and stand at least half a chance of putting up a fight against Obama.

      I think Gary Johnson and/or John Huntsman would do much better in the actual election; who else are the morons who make up the “base” of the GOP going to vote for? Obama? *snickers*

      Unfortunately, its precisely because they’re sane that they don’t stand a chance of winning the GOP nomination.

      Oh well. Maybe next cycle we’ll have sanity from the GOP again.

  • nhthinker

    Summary:
    All the Republicans abided by Reagan’s the 11th Commandment.

    It was a two hour attack on Obama- paid for and broadcast by CNN.

    LOL

    Romney did not make any mistakes…and he complimented his rivals.

  • nhthinker

    It seemed that neither Noah nor Mrs Frum wanted to see any of these candidates become president and provided mostly attempts at entertaining snark instead.