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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/john-demjanjuk-and-the-amazing-hypocrisy-of-german-justice/comment-page-1#comment-41253</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe germans are tired about that war stuff, and maybe we americans shouldnt take about warcrimes at all..we called our own soldiers babykillers..yes..nam,..and now afghanistan n irak..tomorrow north korea?&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe germans are tired about that war stuff, and maybe we americans shouldnt take about warcrimes at all..we called our own soldiers babykillers..yes..nam,..and now afghanistan n irak..tomorrow north korea?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/john-demjanjuk-and-the-amazing-hypocrisy-of-german-justice/comment-page-1#comment-41894</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dssmith writes:  &quot;in Germany the holocaust is undeniably interwoven in the souls of the people and is a great and lasting shame. And it will remain so for generations.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good, I&#039;m glad.  Hans Frank, who got religion just before they hanged him, said &quot;A thousand years will pass, and the guilt of Germany will still not have been erased.&quot;  By Frank&#039;s calculation, Germany still has 937 years to go.  They&#039;re still on probation till the year 2946 A.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dssmith writes:  &#8220;in Germany the holocaust is undeniably interwoven in the souls of the people and is a great and lasting shame. And it will remain so for generations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good, I&#8217;m glad.  Hans Frank, who got religion just before they hanged him, said &#8220;A thousand years will pass, and the guilt of Germany will still not have been erased.&#8221;  By Frank&#8217;s calculation, Germany still has 937 years to go.  They&#8217;re still on probation till the year 2946 A.D.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InTheMiddle12:  Let me remind you that we are still at war. And during World War II, those liberals like FDR and LaGuardia would NEVER have allowed anyone with pro-Hitler views to enter the U.S..  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back then, we had a concept of &quot;enemy aliens&quot;--a citizen of Germany or Japan who happened to be living in the U.S. at the time the U.S. went to war.  The FBI, under FDR&#039;s Justice Department, rounded them all up and deported them.  Your liberals of the 1930s didn&#039;t have a problem with that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because back then, liberals were tough-minded and deeply patriotic.  It was liberals who were saying &quot;America--love it or leave it.&quot;  It was the AFL-CIO which gave covert assistance to the resistance movements in foreign lands.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They weren&#039;t the modern flower-child &quot;foo-foos&quot; (to use AFL-CIO boss George Meany&#039;s term), who flee from the thought of actually being tougher than our enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTheMiddle12:  Let me remind you that we are still at war. And during World War II, those liberals like FDR and LaGuardia would NEVER have allowed anyone with pro-Hitler views to enter the U.S..  </p>
<p>Back then, we had a concept of &#8220;enemy aliens&#8221;&#8211;a citizen of Germany or Japan who happened to be living in the U.S. at the time the U.S. went to war.  The FBI, under FDR&#8217;s Justice Department, rounded them all up and deported them.  Your liberals of the 1930s didn&#8217;t have a problem with that.</p>
<p>Because back then, liberals were tough-minded and deeply patriotic.  It was liberals who were saying &#8220;America&#8211;love it or leave it.&#8221;  It was the AFL-CIO which gave covert assistance to the resistance movements in foreign lands.</p>
<p>They weren&#8217;t the modern flower-child &#8220;foo-foos&#8221; (to use AFL-CIO boss George Meany&#8217;s term), who flee from the thought of actually being tougher than our enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: dlssmith</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/john-demjanjuk-and-the-amazing-hypocrisy-of-german-justice/comment-page-1#comment-44921</link>
		<dc:creator>dlssmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the subject at hand, German handling of nazi criminals.  To a large extent the Germans were allowed by the allies to self-police war criminals.  As such, Germans, possessing a divided mind about the war and the atrocities (meaning: half in a state of denial and half mortified by the thought of it all) have been prosecuting the remaining criminals sporadically and where convenient.  It is not to make an excuse for any German Nazi criminal to say that at a certain point life in Germany had to go on.  And since the Germans were allowed to be the masters of their destiny after the war, what should anyone expect?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no wanted posters of known Nazi criminals in German post offices, and discussions of the subject among average Germans is almost non-existant.  In fact, I find it hard to draw even my very close German friends into a discussion of the war and aftermath.  Perhaps they speak of the war in darkened rooms where no foreigners are present, I don&#039;t know.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is an irony in the prosecution of this russian thug.  Perhaps even a politically motivated statement is being made by the prosecutor, who knows?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For all the talk of holocaust deniers that one hears from time to time, in Germany the holocaust is undeniably interwoven in the souls of the people and is a great and lasting shame.  And it will remain so for generations. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the subject at hand, German handling of nazi criminals.  To a large extent the Germans were allowed by the allies to self-police war criminals.  As such, Germans, possessing a divided mind about the war and the atrocities (meaning: half in a state of denial and half mortified by the thought of it all) have been prosecuting the remaining criminals sporadically and where convenient.  It is not to make an excuse for any German Nazi criminal to say that at a certain point life in Germany had to go on.  And since the Germans were allowed to be the masters of their destiny after the war, what should anyone expect?  </p>
<p>There are no wanted posters of known Nazi criminals in German post offices, and discussions of the subject among average Germans is almost non-existant.  In fact, I find it hard to draw even my very close German friends into a discussion of the war and aftermath.  Perhaps they speak of the war in darkened rooms where no foreigners are present, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>There is an irony in the prosecution of this russian thug.  Perhaps even a politically motivated statement is being made by the prosecutor, who knows?</p>
<p>For all the talk of holocaust deniers that one hears from time to time, in Germany the holocaust is undeniably interwoven in the souls of the people and is a great and lasting shame.  And it will remain so for generations.</p>
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		<title>By: InTheMiddle12</title>
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		<dc:creator>InTheMiddle12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The day that America limits speech of this nature is the day America has formally died. How quickly people forget that it was the liberals that liberated Europe from fascism.  And the progressives that brought civil rights to American Blacks, as two examples of why it&#039;s important to understand the value comes from both sides. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be flamed for this, but I&#039;m so tired of one sided partisan debate on this thread. It&#039;s like entering an isolated vacuum of one-sided through and perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day that America limits speech of this nature is the day America has formally died. How quickly people forget that it was the liberals that liberated Europe from fascism.  And the progressives that brought civil rights to American Blacks, as two examples of why it&#8217;s important to understand the value comes from both sides. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be flamed for this, but I&#8217;m so tired of one sided partisan debate on this thread. It&#8217;s like entering an isolated vacuum of one-sided through and perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: midcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>midcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The  problem we face is that ideological exclusion seems to be contrary to the Constitution.   Even anarchists are protected by the Constitution.   So we would have to have a very limited form exclusion that would be narrowly constrained to those who advocate overthrow of the government or violence to citizens or other similar advocacy.  Such an exclusion would have to be carefully crafted lest it exclude even those who advocate constitutional change.  Of course once you become an American citizen, free speech is protected, even when that speech is contrary to American princples.  I would not trust either the Dems or GOP to find the right balance.  May be the courts could parse it narrowly enough.  Such an enterprise remains fraught with peril though.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All radicals, whether Muslim or others are one our greatest threats.   Rep Wolf (VA) seems to understand the problem, but has gotten scant cooperation or attention from anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  problem we face is that ideological exclusion seems to be contrary to the Constitution.   Even anarchists are protected by the Constitution.   So we would have to have a very limited form exclusion that would be narrowly constrained to those who advocate overthrow of the government or violence to citizens or other similar advocacy.  Such an exclusion would have to be carefully crafted lest it exclude even those who advocate constitutional change.  Of course once you become an American citizen, free speech is protected, even when that speech is contrary to American princples.  I would not trust either the Dems or GOP to find the right balance.  May be the courts could parse it narrowly enough.  Such an enterprise remains fraught with peril though.   </p>
<p>All radicals, whether Muslim or others are one our greatest threats.   Rep Wolf (VA) seems to understand the problem, but has gotten scant cooperation or attention from anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midcon:  The left-wing organizations only sporadically protest against human rights abuses in countries that are not U.S. allies.  The Left gets most animated (against the U.S.) when the dictatorial foreign regime is propped up by U.S. aid.  But when there is no U.S. aid involved, the Left has a kind of cognitive dissonance.  Their concern for human rights in these countries collides with their neo-isolationist view that the U.S. has no right to be doing anything anywhere. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the case of Darfur, I could see that playing out in the various articles on DailyKOS.   One side argued that the U.S. government should take a stand against what was happening in Darfur.  The other side argued that the U.S. has no right to speak out, because of our own alleged genocide against the American Indians or whatever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Earlier, you saw that same cognitive dissonance regarding the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.  The Left is so accustomed to protesting *against* U.S. foreign and military policy, that they have a lot of trouble getting themselves into a mindset of actually *urging* the U.S. to take some kind of action.  So in the case of the Balkans, the Left protested the ethnic cleansing--and then after the Clinton Administration used military force to try to stop it, they protested that too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midcon:  The left-wing organizations only sporadically protest against human rights abuses in countries that are not U.S. allies.  The Left gets most animated (against the U.S.) when the dictatorial foreign regime is propped up by U.S. aid.  But when there is no U.S. aid involved, the Left has a kind of cognitive dissonance.  Their concern for human rights in these countries collides with their neo-isolationist view that the U.S. has no right to be doing anything anywhere. </p>
<p>In the case of Darfur, I could see that playing out in the various articles on DailyKOS.   One side argued that the U.S. government should take a stand against what was happening in Darfur.  The other side argued that the U.S. has no right to speak out, because of our own alleged genocide against the American Indians or whatever.</p>
<p>Earlier, you saw that same cognitive dissonance regarding the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.  The Left is so accustomed to protesting *against* U.S. foreign and military policy, that they have a lot of trouble getting themselves into a mindset of actually *urging* the U.S. to take some kind of action.  So in the case of the Balkans, the Left protested the ethnic cleansing&#8211;and then after the Clinton Administration used military force to try to stop it, they protested that too!</p>
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		<title>By: midcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>midcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54:  Good question!   I think it&#039;s partially because the people in the middle between the government and the rebels don&#039;t have their own AIPAC.  Where is the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh and the Christian right with their princples, the GOP and Democrats? Talk about an &quot;inconvenient truth&quot;, but the truth is, the only thing most of these groups care about is their own narrow self interests.    85% of the volunteers in the Peace Corps are white.   The areas served by the Peace Corps is predominately non-white.   The Peace Corps is not representative of America in ethnicity.   Where are the marches, the protests, the EEOC complaints?   Where is the main stream media?  Where are all the people who espouse freedom, liberty, equality, and justice for all?  That&#039;s a rhetorical question.  I already know the answer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54:  Good question!   I think it&#8217;s partially because the people in the middle between the government and the rebels don&#8217;t have their own AIPAC.  Where is the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh and the Christian right with their princples, the GOP and Democrats? Talk about an &#8220;inconvenient truth&#8221;, but the truth is, the only thing most of these groups care about is their own narrow self interests.    85% of the volunteers in the Peace Corps are white.   The areas served by the Peace Corps is predominately non-white.   The Peace Corps is not representative of America in ethnicity.   Where are the marches, the protests, the EEOC complaints?   Where is the main stream media?  Where are all the people who espouse freedom, liberty, equality, and justice for all?  That&#8217;s a rhetorical question.  I already know the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>midcon:  What&#039;s even more surprising is that President Obama, whose roots are Kenyan, has said so very little about Darfur since taking office.  FDR used his bully pulpit to lash the German Nazis over Kristallnacht; why isn&#039;t Obama doing the same thing to the Sudanese Janjaweed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>midcon:  What&#8217;s even more surprising is that President Obama, whose roots are Kenyan, has said so very little about Darfur since taking office.  FDR used his bully pulpit to lash the German Nazis over Kristallnacht; why isn&#8217;t Obama doing the same thing to the Sudanese Janjaweed?</p>
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		<title>By: dacookson</title>
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		<dc:creator>dacookson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your facts are accurate, good point, well made...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your facts are accurate, good point, well made&#8230;</p>
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