Comments on: Jeb Bush to GOP: Stop Being the “Party of No” http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no Building a conservatism that can win again Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: rookie http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-84792 rookie Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:04:41 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-84792 Oh, that's great. The entitled one thinks that he's the next President of the United States: http://surftofind.com/jeb THIS IS BETTER THAN FICTION ! Oh, that’s great. The entitled one thinks that he’s the next President of the United States:

http://surftofind.com/jeb

THIS IS BETTER THAN FICTION !

]]> By: DFL http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69743 DFL Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:32:27 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69743 No. The Democrats won big victories as the Party of No in 1958, 1974, 1982, 1986 and 2006. The Republicans did the same in 1966 and 1994. It is the time for the Demcorats to offer new ideas and the Republicans to fight them. The Republicans have been discredited by George W. Bush; it is time for the Democrats to enjoy the agony of governing. No. The Democrats won big victories as the Party of No in 1958, 1974, 1982, 1986 and 2006. The Republicans did the same in 1966 and 1994. It is the time for the Demcorats to offer new ideas and the Republicans to fight them. The Republicans have been discredited by George W. Bush; it is time for the Democrats to enjoy the agony of governing.

]]> By: Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » Jeb Bush: GOP Can’t Just Be The Party Of No http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69522 Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » Jeb Bush: GOP Can’t Just Be The Party Of No Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:35:20 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69522 [...] former Governor of Florida has some advice for the Republican Party: Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush pushed for the Republican Party to transform itself into a party [...] [...] former Governor of Florida has some advice for the Republican Party: Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush pushed for the Republican Party to transform itself into a party [...]

]]> By: Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | Financial and Economic news http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69516 Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | Financial and Economic news Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:40:11 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69516 [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...] [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...]

]]> By: Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | Financial and Economic news http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69517 Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | Financial and Economic news Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:40:11 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69517 [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...] [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...]

]]> By: Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | QandO http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69487 Jeb Bush To GOP – Stop Being The Party Of “No” | QandO Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:53:45 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69487 [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...] [...] I hear this all the time, and it is nonsense. It gives credence to opposition propaganda [...]

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69466 sinz54 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:14:54 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69466 ireign: <blockquote> Rove would have liked to win all 50 states. </blockquote> Obviously. But that wasn't his <i> strategy </i>. First, like any good strategist of either party, Rove started by counting which states were staunchly Repub and which ones were staunchly Dem. Then Rove also assumed that the Independent vote would divide fairly evenly between the Dem and the Repub candidates, in the key swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Then those states would be won by whichever party mobilized its base the best. The result was two narrow election victories in 2000 and 2004. The last time the GOP had anything like a real national mandate was 1994, with the Gingrich takeover of Congress. Ever since, the GOP's national appeal has been shrinking. ireign:
Rove would have liked to win all 50 states.

Obviously. But that wasn’t his strategy .

First, like any good strategist of either party, Rove started by counting which states were staunchly Repub and which ones were staunchly Dem. Then Rove also assumed that the Independent vote would divide fairly evenly between the Dem and the Repub candidates, in the key swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Then those states would be won by whichever party mobilized its base the best.

The result was two narrow election victories in 2000 and 2004.

The last time the GOP had anything like a real national mandate was 1994, with the Gingrich takeover of Congress. Ever since, the GOP’s national appeal has been shrinking.

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69454 ottovbvs Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:28:47 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69454 26 ireign // Oct 23, 2009 at 7:35 pm “The GOP must finally abandon Rove’s “Red States plus Ohio” playbook” "That is nonesense. Sinz you keep repeating this but Rove would have liked to win all 50 states. Unfortunately, the country was so divided that there was a limited number of states in play. Rove was and is by all accounts a pragmatic strategist." ...........Unfortunately, water runs downhill........unfortunately, there's such a thing as gravity..........and after all Rove has been such a huge success in positioning the GOP as a majority party......his works are all around us "you actually have to back it up with polling data demonstrating that certain policies have popular support (something that OttoBS does not understand)." ............How silly of me 26 ireign // Oct 23, 2009 at 7:35 pm

“The GOP must finally abandon Rove’s “Red States plus Ohio” playbook”

“That is nonesense. Sinz you keep repeating this but Rove would have liked to win all 50 states. Unfortunately, the country was so divided that there was a limited number of states in play. Rove was and is by all accounts a pragmatic strategist.”

………..Unfortunately, water runs downhill……..unfortunately, there’s such a thing as gravity……….and after all Rove has been such a huge success in positioning the GOP as a majority party……his works are all around us

“you actually have to back it up with polling data demonstrating that certain policies have popular support (something that OttoBS does not understand).”

…………How silly of me

]]> By: ltoro1 http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69436 ltoro1 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:47:08 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69436 ireign, I will take you at your word that his speach was empty rhetoric since I have not listened to it. While he was targeted by Democrats for defeat in 2002, it Bill McBride never came close to winning. Also, even though GWB had high approval ratings at the time, I really don't think any help from him was needed. Finally, he was polling in the 60s at the end of his term in '06 so you could argue that he has a solid track record he could either run for office on or advocate policy from. ireign, I will take you at your word that his speach was empty rhetoric since I have not listened to it. While he was targeted by Democrats for defeat in 2002, it Bill McBride never came close to winning. Also, even though GWB had high approval ratings at the time, I really don’t think any help from him was needed. Finally, he was polling in the 60s at the end of his term in ‘06 so you could argue that he has a solid track record he could either run for office on or advocate policy from.

]]> By: ltoro1 http://www.frumforum.com/jeb-bush-to-gop-stop-being-the-party-of-no/comment-page-2#comment-69412 ltoro1 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:44:10 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=14205#comment-69412 ireign, for what it's worth Jeb Bush was a pretty popular governor throuhgout his 2 terms, even when GWB's approval ratings were in the tank. ireign, for what it’s worth Jeb Bush was a pretty popular governor throuhgout his 2 terms, even when GWB’s approval ratings were in the tank.

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