Is Palin Alienating Israel’s GOP Friends?

March 21st, 2011 at 3:16 pm David Frum | 72 Comments |

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Sarah Palin is visiting Israel, a move which normally helps GOP candidates. But as my latest CNN column points out, by ignoring the Republican Jewish Coalition she may be writing off an opportunity to broaden her support.


It’s tough for a Republican politician to lose friends by visiting Israel. Yet Sarah Palin is in danger of doing so.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate arrived in Israel Sunday for a two-day visit.

Ben Smith in Politico reports that the trip was booked through a Christian tour operator. But the real news is who did not book the trip: the Republican Jewish Coalition, the group that brought George W. Bush to Israel in 1998, Mitt Romney in 2007, Haley Barbour in 2011, and many other presidential hopefuls beside.

Very likely you have never heard of the Republican Jewish Coalition. But then again, you probably are not seeking the Republican presidential nomination. If you were seeking the nomination, the RJC is one of the groups whose support you would certainly want.

Joining an RJC Israel tour is a well-established ritual in gaining the support of the RJC’s board and the group’s 40,000 activist members.

The RJC’s board of directors includes four people who have served as national finance chairs for the Republican Party — the party’s “fundraiser-in-chief.” Eight board members have run major donor groups within the GOP and 18 members served as state finance chairs for George W. Bush’s re-election in 2004. It also includes some less distinguished figures — me, for example.

The RJC local chapters are active in almost every state. Jewish Republicans may seem a minority of a minority, but the local chapters contain disproportionate numbers of local Republican activists — the kind of people who make a difference in a state primary.

The RJC played an especially important role in 2008, the election in which Palin burst onto the national stage — a very unpromising year for the GOP. Barack Obama out-raised John McCain in an election in which many of the party’s usual donors stayed on the sidelines. Yet RJC members continued to fundraise for McCain-Palin, like the last guy to hold the pass, outnumbered and outgunned.

Most Republican presidential aspirants consider the RJC a group whose support is very much worth having. Which is why virtually every major and long-shot Republican candidate except Palin has addressed an RJC meeting: Romney often, Newt Gingrich often, Tim Pawlenty often. Texas Gov. Rick Perry is stopping by the group’s April Las Vegas meeting … just in case.

Obviously the RJC has no monopoly on Israel visitation rights. Mike Huckabee for example has organized his own trips. But Huckabee has been to Israel more than 15 times, he knows the country and its leadership intimately, and hardly requires any introduction from anybody.

But with somebody like Palin making a first visit — dealing with important geopolitical sensitivities — and trying to make a positive impression on American friends of Israel — the design of a trip carries special significance.

Over the months since November 2008, the RJC had repeatedly offered to organize an Israel tour for Palin. They have repeatedly invited Palin to speak at their meetings. As a member of the RJC board, I know that Palin’s team engaged in extended conversations about these invitations. Yet they were abruptly shelved. The RJC organization learned that its invitation would not be accepted the same way everybody else did: by reading the newspaper.

Why? We cannot know for certain. But we do know this: Some members of the RJC board — including me, and one or two others — have publicly said critical things about Palin.

The seeming result: Palin decided the RJC was dead to her.

Which is of course her prerogative.

But normally candidates are in the business of adding to the number of their friends — including converting former non-friends into new friends. Candidates seek to broaden their basis of support. They are more interested in future successes than in past irritations.

Successful candidates are strategic. They may hold grudges, but they do not reveal their grudges. And they do not act on their grudges against their own best interests.

When Palin first appeared alongside John McCain, she sparked an excitement that briefly promised to rescue the troubled McCain presidential candidacy.

Over two months of campaigning in September and October 2008, Palin’s poll numbers tumbled among women and independents. Yet even after the November 2008 loss, Palin remained hugely popular among Republicans.

She has spent the past 2½ years throwing that popularity away, piece by piece. Palin has worked hard to convince even the most ardent Republicans that she would be a doomed candidate and a disastrous president.

With the particular plan she chose for her trip to Israel, Palin alienated a few more potential friends — important ones.

As I mentioned, I’m an RJC board member myself. I’ve been a Palin critic, but until now most of my colleagues have disagreed with me. Yet, once again, Palin seems to focus her energy on proving her critics right.

Even as a non-fan, I have to say: It all seems so sadly unnecessary.

Originally published at CNN.com.

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72 Comments so far ↓

  • Elvis Elvisberg

    Sounds like she should have hired Bulworth’s guys. They’re not stupid.

    Of course you’re right that it wouldn’t kill her to make inroads into established Party institutions. But that’s not her game. She’s the GOP’s id. She’s the embodiment of their rhetoric over the past few decades: “Government is stupid, elites are stupid, the media’s stupid, everyone in Washington is slime.” She has no time to lose talking to party leaders.

    What’s more, it could work. Yes, her support has dropped and her negatives have increased among Republicans. But, at the link your link links to, we find, “The former vice presidential candidate scores a 58 percent favorable rating, close to the 61 percent for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and 60 percent for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, and better than the 55 percent that onetime House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) received.”

    I still don’t think she’ll run, because there’s no evidence that she likes to do stuff. But she could definitely win the GOP nomination. (Obviously I personally am not a Republican; you can tell because I cited math and data in making my case). It shouldn’t surprise us. GOP adherence is entirely about tribal emotions, not about policy beliefs or electing people who know something about anything.

    (Incidentally, it is a truth universally acknowledged that folks advocating that the US continue its one-sided support of Israel aren’t acting in the best interests of Israel or the United States).

  • Churl

    Since Jewish voters support Republicans as avidly as they support the pork sausage industry, this hardly matters.

  • ottovbvs

    Republican Jewish Coalition,?

    This is a group that is trying to penetrate the US govt in support of Israel? Really? Surprised you’d admit this DF.

    • busboy33

      You are?

      One thing DF has tought me here at the Forum is that there is NOTHING more important to the Uniterd States than Israel. It is all that matters. The fact tsat he is taking that zealotry to push his agenda to the people in Washington who will isten to him seems elementary.

  • nuser

    She will hold out as long as possible,(Money for speaking engagements) and then not run. She is not
    taking a chance losing money due to loss of interest in her supposed quest for the presidency.

  • talkradiosucks.com

    “Jewish voters are not stupid.”

    They’re not stupid, but they’re very confused right about now. Things were generally simple for them to understand before Bush and now Obama. Now they are faced with some very difficult choices, as a result of the GOP being much more pro-Israel than the Democrats, but the GOP also being…. the rest of the baggage that is the current GOP.

    Of course, there aren’t that many of them anyway.

    For what it’s worth (not much I’m sure), I actually thought David made a valid and well-argued point here, in a way that should make sense even to Palin supporters (assuming there are any rational Palin supporters, which I recognize may be a stretch.)

  • Diomedes

    Is Palin Alienating Israel’s GOP Friends?

    Title should read:

    “Is Palin Alienating the GOP, their friends, the democrats, the independents and pretty much anyone outside her small, batsh*t crazy base?”

    • Lizzie

      You took the words just out of my mouth.

    • medinnus

      Smeggy! Wide stancerer! That’s your cue to say how wonderful Palin is because she drives the Right cr… I mean, the Left crazy.

      Most of my friends on the Left really, really want her to run, btw )

  • Rabiner

    TRS:

    “They’re not stupid, but they’re very confused right about now. Things were generally simple for them to understand before Bush and now Obama. Now they are faced with some very difficult choices, as a result of the GOP being much more pro-Israel than the Democrats, but the GOP also being…. the rest of the baggage that is the current GOP.”

    Actually it isn’t very confusing for Jewish voters. The majority of Jewish voters are like myself, educated and liberal. We view Israel as having a right to exist and should exist but should be reprimanded for its actions in the West Bank. I’m a Reform Jew who is not nearly as religious as David Frum probably is. While my parents are far more ‘pro-Israel’ than I in that they view any American President telling Israel they’re wrong about anything is problematic I, like the majority of my Jewish friends), do not. I can be ‘pro-Israel’ and be for a 2 state solution and against building settlements in the West Bank as I find the policy contradictory in achieving lasting peace.

    We’re in a far different time than 1967 or 1973 with no likely coalition of Arab States declaring war against Israel in an attempt to dismantle it. We do however live in a time with great instability in the region and I find Netenyahu’s administration can be destabilizing when they react to a murder of 5 Israeli’s as cause to build more settlements as if that will help the situation.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    I am of 2 minds about this, one, who elected the Republican Jewish Coalition with regard to speaking on behalf of all Jewish Republicans? How big is the membership? Even if the RJC could plausibly contend that they speak for most Jewish Republicans, why should any Republican candidate have to kowtow to them (or. by extension, anyone)?

    OTOH, while I find the RJC sense of entitlement annoying, they should certainly not be treated rudely and ignored. Independence is a good thing, but arrogance and disrespect towards a certainly legitimate interest group is another.

  • mc419

    No need to be modest Frum – you’re much more distinguished than Sarah Palin. However it does make me wonder: a group who plays by the rules, bequethes to its children and neighbors the blessings of tradition and culture (not to mention cuisine), is comparitively very well educated and affluent (not a joke, check out the price tag on tuition at a Jewish day school if you don’t believe me) supports cops, teachers, fire fighters and the rights of minorities – ignored by someone who claims to stand for all of these values. My conclusion: what a self-absored A-hole.

  • talkradiosucks.com

    Rabiner: I think what you’re saying makes sense, especially for the group you’re speaking of: Reform Jews. In the Conservative and Orthodox sectors, I think you’ll find things are rather different. There’s a lot of distrust and even hostility towards Obama, and that goes back to even before he was elected.

    My somewhat off-hand prediction is that if the GOP runs a reasonable, centrist candidate like Romney, Obama will get a lower percentage of the Jewish vote in 2012 than any sitting Dem president in a long time. (If they run a nutbar, of course, all bets are off. And my guess is Obama would have done worse in 2008 if McCain hadn’t picked Palin.)

    ETA: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137449

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      I think Rabiner has it right, TRS.

      Predictions that the Democrats will lose more of “the Jewish vote” because they risk being seen as less emphatically pro-Israel than the Republicans have long been made, and long proven incorrect.

      Here’s a piece from 2008 listing a bunch of errant predictions to that effect, with the data to back it up: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-r-stanley/this-years-jewish-vote_b_141388.html

      According to this article, votes for the Republicans among Jewish voters in the 2010 midterms “bounced back” to 31 percent: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/04/jewish_vote_sticks_with_dems_israel_not_an_issue/

      As with the Catholic Church, there’s a noisy faction of right-leaning folks in the Jewish community, but most Catholics and Jews have liberal views & vote Democratic.

      ETA: Shocking Israel Sarah Plan Abortion: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/sarah-palin/8396467/Sarah-Palin-aborts-visit-to-Bethlehem.html

      • JimBob

        Catholic voters are evenly divided between Repubs and Dems. Jews 80-20 Dems. It’s rather comical listening to people like Dick Morris predicting that a Republican candidate could get upwards of 50 percent of the Jewish vote. Jews are secularist and can’t stand Evangelicals and practicing Catholics.

        Irving Kristol wrote a long piece years ago “On the Political Stupidity of the Jews.” Or I forget who said it but, Jews earn like Episcopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans

        Israel has been a ball and chain around our neck. George Marshall was right.

        • Elvis Elvisberg

          Evangelicals and right-leaning cafeteria Catholics are jihadists and can’t stand Jews.

          There. Now we have insults going both directions on the matter.

        • JimBob

          That’s simply not true. Evangelicals are the best friends Jews have in the world. What they can’t stand is when Jews run around opposing stuff like choose life license plates, Christmas carols and decorations. Yes there has been a war against Christmas and its being waged by Jews.

          http://townhall.com/columnists/burtprelutsky/2006/12/11/the_jewish_grinch_who_stole_christmas

        • Elvis Elvisberg

          license plates, Christmas carols and decorations

          That is, of course, the essence of Republican fandom.

          There aren’t any principles, just a tribe and a series of perceived outsiders who tribal members must hate. “We” = white, Christian, not-too-urban, “real” America, which the Government must favor. If the Jews don’t favor the Government declaring itself “Christian” and hanging up sectarian decorations, why, I guess they’re not real Americans, are they?

          (As to what Jesus actually said and did, nothing could be less relevant to today’s right-wing movement. Jesus is a totem with nothing to say to them. Matthew 6:5 and the Beatitudes are not a big part of the Conservative Bible Project, just like Reagan repeatedly raising taxes to address mounting deficits is an ungood fact).

          As was said a while back, “Movement ‘conservatism’ has roughly the same intellectual content as being, say, a Milwaukee Brewers fan. Throw away your Burke and Oakeshott and get a big foam “We’re #1” finger, because that’s the level at which movement ‘conservatism’ is conducted.” http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=9580#comment-504991

        • jakester

          Jimbob is the kind of Cracker Christian who pretends, maybe deludes himself too, that he likes Jews. Maybe he does, but only the right wing ones like Prager and Savage who kiss inbred Xtian butts for a living. But he and many Evangelicals are so dense that they can’t understand that you can’t be friends with a group of people while you are being a paranoid bigot at them at the same time. While it is true that Evangelical midgets do tend to support Israel more that is based on two selfish things: they hate Muslims more than Jews as well as believe that Jews have to control the Holy Land so their cowardly souls can be raptured. Also, there are still many old fashioned conservative Christians who still flat out hate Jews period, and they are indistinguishable from the patronizing Evangelicals

        • The Mad Jewess

          @JimBob:
          You ARE insane.
          WE ARE the ‘ball n chain’ on Israel.

          ANY Jew that is FOR 2 state: Pls start to be willing to just give up your backyards and maybe half your condo…Hell, give up half your car. Any Jew that is for a 2 state is INSANE. How much more does Israel have to ‘give up?’ They have already given up over 70%, and STILL no peace. When dont you GET IT?

          Go look at the truth here and stop the insanity, Jim Bob:
          Bush & Sharons “Exodus of Jews from their homeland”:

          http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ExodusFromGaza.html

  • politicalfan

    “Even as a non-fan, I have to say: It all seems so sadly unnecessary.”

    Why don’t I believe the “sadly unnecessary” part Frum?

    Maybe she does not think she needs any individual group supporting her. That ties into the ‘rogue’ of it all. This gives her the (I will challenge the old boys all of them any of them- kind of rhetoric). No pun intended.

    She waits out the Republican strong hold and jumps in as an Independent at the last minute. The Republicans had their chance, so be it. Even if she does not run, she will remind us that if a Republican President doesn’t keep his word to her people, she will jump in and challenge him after his first term. Don’t mess ‘with with her rogueness’. Keeps the money rolling in if she does not run. She may not be a genius but the lady is certainly not lacking business skills.

    She has more charisma than any of your possible candidates. What could she possibly lose to give it a run? She falls back on victimhood, old boys not ready to let the conservative ‘woman’ in and back door deals of the GOP machine.

    Honestly, I think she is just tossing it out there to see what sticks.

  • talkradiosucks.com

    We’ll see, Elvis. I agree it wasn’t an issue in 2008, but I do think it may be in 2012. Perhaps not a huge factor, but at least a minor one.

    Money quote from your ETA:

    “The oversight could prove embarrassing for Mrs Palin’s advisers, who are unused to planning for foreign visits and have a reputation for being poorly organised.”

  • tardivezoar

    Maybe she wanted to use the Wasilla travel company.? Am looking forward to the movie Sarah does Matzos.

  • ChallengingFrum

    David,

    How much is discrediting Palin worth? Day after day after day, you publish another and another article disparaging Palin’s words and actions (and sometimes her very existence). Even if everyone of your articles was correct, is it worth it?

    btw if palin said some of the things about your kids that ff has said about hers…you would hold a grudge too.

    • politicalfan

      ChallengingFrum- How can Frum discredit Palin, she does that well on her own.

      Secondly, I think he has been constructive by telling her to get serious and take these steps to get support if she wants to run. (I am pretty sure the man voted for her in 2008).

      If you’re handed a clear path to be taken seriously and your response is, “they are being mean to me, so I don’t want to give them the time of day.” The path to becoming the President will be a really tough one.

      I don’t think the President of the United States has an issue of people trying to discredit him. (Sure)
      BTW, I thought Palin liked Simon Cowell’s constructive critic style?

      • ChallengingFrum

        if anyone had this myopic focus on BO and he didn’t even hold elective office there would be shreeks of bigotry…..and probably rightfully so.

        my point is david goes beyond engaging in the battle ideas…he has to disparage her existence. I don’t think palin holds any views that are outside the scope of political discourse. whether you agree or disagree you should be able to address each issue on a case by case basis. instead palins every utterance is an opportunity for attack. liberalism used to require having an openness to the ideas, experiences and perspectives of another. now, liberalisms distinctive characteristic is how illiberal it is.

        • politicalfan

          CF,

          What makes you think that she is not running?

          If Barack Obama had a 3 year job writing on fb and sending out tweets on how terrible Bush was, I guarantee that the focus would be there. His blame it on Bush has turned into he is making similar choices to Bush. So, that strategy did not work out really well. I tend to think that if it is too good to be true, it usually is.

          The greater point is that if she runs, she is starting out with negatives that were worse than Obama the candidate. What were his numbers when he came into office, expectations were high? Compare that to where Palin is at now with her rhetoric and imagine if she gets in office. Are her numbers going to be high with my group (Independents) or Democrats?

          Everyone assumes that she will not run and just continue to make money. Did anyone stop to think she would quit her job as Governor and be where she is today? I am not convinced that she wont run as her display of ego has proven time and time again, she is a free agent. (Or maybe not).

        • ChallengingFrum

          pf,

          intuition. she’s a women. she knows what it means to flirt. shes just getting her point across and “flirting” to keep attention.

          even if she ran, she wouldn’t get the nomination. republicans dislike obama enough that they want to win. she is too inexperienced and doesn’t poll well enough. come 2012, republicans will make two decisions who do they like and who can win. after nevada and delaware, they have been dissuaded of the notion that they can run anyone.

          bottom line: if unemployment is less than 8% BO wins. if its greater than 8.5%, he losses. If its in between then the republican candidate will matter. forget about politics. watch housing prices, oil, the end of qe2, long term rates, small business loans, business uncertainty and cut backs at the state level…..all of which except maybe oil and small business loans are going to get worse.

          the real issue is why can’t ff stick to ideas? Its sad to read the post of what I am sure are otherwise intelligent people degenerate into vilifying another person rather than engaging the idea. What does it say about some of these commenters that they feel the need to write a short essay on why someone who has no effect on their life is repugnant. it stops being a Socratic search for the best idea and turns into a will to power. I guess St Augustine casts too long of a shadow.

        • politicalfan

          “the real issue is why can’t ff stick to ideas? Its sad to read the post of what I am sure are otherwise intelligent people degenerate into vilifying another person rather than engaging the idea. What does it say about some of these commenters that they feel the need to write a short essay on why someone who has no effect on their life is repugnant. it stops being a Socratic search for the best idea and turns into a will to power. I guess St Augustine casts too long of a shadow.”

          First, the Palin posts do get a bit old, we can agree on that.

          I actually credit Palin for being the source of a lot of discussion for women. I would love to see a woman President but not so sure if she is one.

          Futhermore, how is this not a practice of the socratic method and finally what did St. Augustine mean by these words, ‘tolle, lege’?

          I get your greater point. I just think we learn a lot from those we disagree even if it is confirmation that our votes do matter (if nothing else to those who vote). I don’t support people solely based on party line, fortunately, I don’t have to.

    • The Mad Jewess

      @Challenging:
      What makes YOU any different than the Yes We Can Bots?
      Honest to goodness, Palin moonbats are just like Obama-bots.

      ANY man that wants a woman at this point, is a weak, wuss’d out individual that is defeated.

      And to speak out against Palin, the feminine Messiah takes some guts (if one is conservative)

      D. Frum knows fully well the determination of the sheepish folk and how they will stop at nothing on either side to get their dear leader.

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  • Rabiner

    JimBob:

    “That’s simply not true. Evangelicals are the best friends Jews have in the world. What they can’t stand is when Jews run around opposing stuff like choose life license plates, Christmas carols and decorations. Yes there has been a war against Christmas and its being waged by Jews. ”

    Evangelicals are the best friends Jews for Jesus have in the world.

    • JimBob

      Rabiner, Israel doesn’t have lots of friends. Evangelicals are about it. Agree with them or not, they stand behind Israel.

  • nuser

    David Frum
    Could it be Sarah Palin’s followers are anti -jewish, and one must not upset them?Perhaps Sarah
    just distanced herself , but showed her hutzpah , going to Israel?Who said: I have reached my cringe limit? Why don’t we stop it ? The idea of her being anything , but pretty, is ludicrous. Good points raised here, David , but still manipulative. Some of us know , what it is to love, mine is the truth, as
    much as it hurts.

  • ChallengingFrum

    nuser,

    truth?…..either palin is close minded evangelical bigot…..or she is anti-Semite? pick one. i thought lefts meme was that evangelicals are unflinching supports of isreal because isreal is the forerunner to the second coming….remember that was one the reasons bush went into iraq….typical liberal “truth”.

    • The Mad Jewess

      ChallengingFrum; how the hell can you say she is ‘pro-Jewish?”

      She said right here in 2008:
      Two-state solution for Israel/Palestine is a top priority

      Q: How would you solve Israel/Palestinian conflict?
      PALIN: A two-state solution is the solution.

      (Kind reminds me of ‘The FINAL solution)
      http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Foreign_Policy.htm

      Meaning that, them pesky Jews MUST live alongside of Nazi murderers that murdered our fellow Jewish brethren just last week (The Fogels).

      OR, how bout just the other day, the hamas/Nazi rockets, rocketing Israel AGAIN?

      Tell me, HOW THE HELL THAT IS PRO ISRAEL? Or even Pro-American? Is that what she will expect my state AZ to do with the Nazi Illegals??!

  • talkradiosucks.com

    “Evangelicals are the best friends Jews for Jesus have in the world.”

    Yeah, no kidding.

    The real attitude that fundies have towards Jews was revealed by Ann Coulter with her notorious comments about “perfecting” them. They like Jews only because they hate Muslims, and because of the role Israel plays in their own religious nonsense.

    • JimBob

      What makes you think Coulter is an Evangelical?? She doesn’t come across as a very Religious person.

  • msmilack

    David,
    Israel is 2-pronged for Palin: Christians and Jews (Muslims are not even acknowledged as residents).

    Her main mission is pander to the Jewish vote which is why she went in the first place; but she has the Christians behind her too who expect to end up in the holy land with her.

  • msmilack

    Also, I find her positively Orwellian, the way she shapes what gets printed about her.
    Recent example in India, the day after her speech, when she did not like the Indian reviews she cut them off, scorched the earth, it was as if she had left the country when she hadn’t: but no more press.

    And yes, her booking it this way was 100% vindictive: it was done also to imply that she doesn’t need you (or new hampshire or experience or anything as petty as a primary: she’s busy proving she can go above everyone’s heads. And I am yet to see anyone truly stop her.

  • talkradiosucks.com

    “And I am yet to see anyone truly stop her.”

    Fortunately for America and the world, she has herself. And needs no other.

  • anniemargret

    Palin is in it for herself. She is loving every minute of this controversy; she feeds on it. Need I remind everyone here that she needs a foil?

    She ‘loves Israel’ for the same reason most Christians do. Armageddon, the Second Coming, the Rapture, etc….. all those not professed Christians will go to hell and damnation, the rest of them will do the Tim LaHaye and rise to heaven. So that means while they profess their ‘love’ for Israel, they want nothing more than to be able to say they converted a Jew for Jesus.

    She is getting back at everyone that hasn’t supported her. She has an ego the size of Texas and Alaska combined. She will do it alone, even if she actually does not run for President, which I dont’ think she will either. I think this is all a scheme to keep her name in the limelight, so that her fans continue to fill her coffers.

    First she was revengeful against ‘elites’ in the big cities (the real American schtick), then she was revengeful against the big, bad media that she loves to play up to, but also despises. She then was vengeful against the ‘bluebloods’ and ‘elites’ (the Bushes, the George Wills, the David Frums….etc…) Why how dare they criticize her!

    msmilack: She is getting very tiring, isn’t she? All that petty mean-spirited vindictive Valley Girl stuff. Frankly, she is not getting stronger, she is getting weaker. She has culled a lot of hatred in this country. Her vindictiveness is not an attractive trait for any leader, be they mayor, governor or President wannbes.

    I hope she does run. The DNC will have a field day in ads profiling her whiny insults, and petty revenge tactics.

    • politicalfan

      anniem- there is really no reason for her not run as an Independent candidate. I tend to agree with the “be careful what you wish for.” A year in politics is a long time.

      • ChallengingFrum

        pf,

        she is not running.

        • anniemargret

          cf: I agree. She is not going to run seriously. She is just milking her time for as long as she can .

          pf: I say this because of one simple solitary reason. The fact that she left her governorship midway to cash out proves to everyone that she has not a serious bone in her body. Except for her loyal fan base, everyone else see that act as shoddy, immature, weak. She will not be able to say she left because she was ‘hounded’ because that would prove she would be completely unable to take the heat as President.

          She cannot say she left it because of her family. She cashed in and has been cashing in and on a 24/7 schedule and as such, is not spending much time with her kids. So much for the ‘great Mom’ thingie.

          She cannot say she left because she had other more important things to do. She left for one reason only. She hated the job, the hassle, and saw she could gain much much more by leaving it than by staying.

          A truly SERIOUS candidate would have finished the job, sought a Congressional seat, did her homework on national and international affairs, spent time on major news networks instead of cocooned on Fox. She didn’t. She took the easy way out.

          No one of any serious mind will vote this woman in any office – she is unfit. Her character proves it, even if she stays around for another five years!

  • politicalfan

    anniem-

    Running and getting the candidacy are two different things. She is making the GOP mad, they have probably silently told her to simmer on down. She has zero issue balking the norms of Washington politics. ie. comments made on the campaign trails, rebutting aids and taking on anyone who gives negative press. (Current insults in India/Israel).

    Have you ever supervised or managed competitive people? The Titanic is going down.

    I still think she might pop in as an Independent if she thinks she has no chance of getting the Republican nod. Secondly, it only secures her toughness image by making the guys squirm even if she walks away empty handed. Something tells me that her past campaign style unlocks the barracuda spin from Wasilla. I still think she is seriously thinking about it. A little note left in Israel is asking that question perhaps? Who knows?

  • wilsonpickett

    My, my. I do think “Wittle” Davey had his “wittle” feelings hurt by that wicked woman from Wasilla.

    He missed out on more than setting up a tour of Israel. You see, if his organization would have been involved, he could have “scooped” the news media and other pundit bloggers about an Israeli visit by Governor Palin. And it might have finally attracted a few more readers to this Web site, FrumForum.com – at least temporarily.

    Little Davey’s references to Mitt Romney and Haley Barbour and others using the Republican Jewish Coalition (on which he serves as a board member) to line up tours of Israel is disingenuous. In 2007 Romney was a declared candidate for U.S. President; Barbour, a former head of the Republican Governors Association, has all but announced his intentions to run for President in 2012. Governor Palin has not declared her intention for national public office, and, besides, she is a private citizen and was just stopping by for two days on her way back from India. A full-fledged “official” visit to Israel may come later. However, I think she did okay doing it her way.

    Oh, by the way, Little Davey, have you ever been the private guest of the Israeli Prime Minister at a dinner for five in his home as Sarah and Todd Palin were? Is that normally part of your tour package? I’ll bet not.

    Little Davey worked in the Bush White House all of one year (2001-02), after which he has tried to portray himself as an “Inside the Beltway” expert on conservatism. As a lifelong Republican and current Republican office-holder in the state of Illinois, I have listened to his TV interviews and read some of Little Davey’s columns in recent years. It would be a gross exaggeration to say that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to conservatism, especially what has grabbed the hearts and minds of grassroots conservatives across America.

    It just dawned on me that I have been missing out all these years….. In the mid-Eighties, I spent part of one day with President Ronald Reagan and his press secretary, Larry Speakes, in the West Wing of the White House. On another occasion, I had the opportunity to be with Vice President George H.W. Bush and his chief of staff, Craig Fuller, at their offices in the Old Executive Office Building and, later in the evening, at the White House.

    With those experiences, I could have been like Little Davey and opened up a consulting business (or something), recommending the best approach for folks from the Heartland to land an audience with key members of our Executive Branch in Washington, D.C. I probably could have been as successful as Little Davey is as an expert on conservatism. Oh, well, missed opportunities…..

    What I don’t understand is where Little Davey learned how to be so snarky and wimpy and a total condescending jerk – like a petulant little boy. Did he learn it in the White House during that one year or did he acquire it naturally as part of his upbringing in Canada?

    Btw, how did those book sales go for Little Davey? He has written six books, including the last one, “Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again,” published three years ago. I don’t think he was within miles and miles of Governor Palin’s book sales. In fact, it was just announced that “America By Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith and Flag” reached 797,955 copies sold in just the last five weeks of 2010 – yes, just five weeks – to earn the No. 5 spot on the non-fiction list for the entire year.

    Not too bad for her second book, which came out only one year after the first, “Going Rogue: An American Life,” the blockbuster which sold almost 2.7 million copies in November and December of 2009, making it the No. 1 non-fiction book of the year even though it was available only for the last six weeks of ’09. We don’t even know what her total sales were for “Going Rogue,” but she might have easily topped the 3-million mark!

    Those sales figures indicate that a whole lot more people want to hear what Governor Sarah Palin has to say rather than the words of Little Davey Frum.

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      Oh, by the way, Little Davey, have you ever been the private guest of the Israeli Prime Minister at a dinner for five in his home as Sarah and Todd Palin were? Is that normally part of your tour package? I’ll bet not… As a lifelong Republican and current Republican office-holder in the state of Illinois, I have listened to his TV interviews and read some of Little Davey’s columns in recent years. It would be a gross exaggeration to say that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to conservatism, especially what has grabbed the hearts and minds of grassroots conservatives across America… Those sales figures indicate that a whole lot more people want to hear what Governor Sarah Palin has to say rather than the words of Little Davey Frum.

      A couple sentences of something somewhat resembling an actual argument, surrounded by paragraphs of sneering, taunting claims that Frum ain’t One of Us. It’s tough to tell whether this poster or Smarg best represents today’s Republican Party.

      “Justin Bieber sold 4 million albums last year! How many did stupid shitty fuddy duddy dead Wilson Pickett sell? Not quite that many, was it, Wilson? A whole lot more people want to hear what Justin Bieber has to say rather than the songs of Old Wilson Pickett.”

      “Movement ‘conservatism’ has roughly the same intellectual content as being, say, a Milwaukee Brewers fan. Throw away your Burke and Oakeshott and get a big foam “We’re #1” finger, because that’s the level at which movement ‘conservatism’ is conducted.” http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=9580#comment-504991

      (PS: Screw you for making me Google Justin Bieber to see how many albums he sold last year, you asshole).

    • ktward

      As a lifelong Republican and current Republican office-holder in the state of Illinois

      As a long-time Chicago resident, I’m curious to know exactly what office it is you hold here in my state, Wilson. Do tell.

  • Madeline

    [i]As a lifelong Republican and current Republican office-holder in the state of Illinois,
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    Good Lord! As a resident of Illinois, I am hoping and praying that the vast majority of our officeholders have better things to do than post childish (“little Davey”? Really?) messages on political blogs.

    (BTW, Elvis, I think s/he chose “wilsonpickett” as a moniker because s/he waited until the midnight hour to post.)

    • politicalfan

      Considering the quote below, I have my doubts this is an office holder but who knows. My guess is that it is either a first or last name. The person is a fan of Wilson Pickett, probably likes his songs. By this quote, it is beyond obvious that it is a regular on a Palin site or a confident super fan.

      We don’t know mama grizzly and she is probably a fine human being, some of us, simply don’t care for the rhetoric or want her to run for the office of President. Mr. W or Mr. P? We can always disagree with out being disagreeable.

      “Btw, how did those book sales go for Little Davey? He has written six books, including the last one, “Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again,” published three years ago. I don’t think he was within miles and miles of Governor Palin’s book sales. In fact, it was just announced that “America By Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith and Flag” reached 797,955 copies sold in just the last five weeks of 2010 – yes, just five weeks – to earn the No. 5 spot on the non-fiction list for the entire year.”

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      Ohhh, that’s a sound connection, Madeline.

      Here is penance for my unfavorable comparison of Wilson Pickett to Justin Bieber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcTWxJAGQVQ

  • Primrose

    Jim Bob, you can not say you are a friend of Jews if you advocate throwing them into a pit of fire if they fail to convert. It’s a funny thing, but as a rule, Jews don’t trust people who call for their death, even if those people promise the date is far in the future. If it quacks like a cossack, it is a cossack, one might say.

    I think TRS and Rabiner are both right. There is a divide among Jews, but I don’t think Palin is the one to exploit it. She’s thinks far too much like JimBob to make my orthodox neighbors comfortable. The Hasidic (and company) community doesn’t let perceived anti-semitism roll off their back, and when Palin tosses around terms like blood libel, I can’t think they feel warmly towards her.

    Palin’s rejection of a traditional power group reveals her fundamental weakness, she only thinks those like her are important. People like her may be a vocal and large minority but they are not actually the “real” America.

    And the concept of her running an independent, well, I’d really like to see that because she’d finally get her comeuppance. She lost McCain independents when we hardly knew her. She hasn’t made herself more lovable with time. Most women despise her, so that vote is lost, without party backing. (And I suspect with it, as most women, no matter of party, take it as an affront to our gender that she is offered as the best woman for the job. )

    Her only fans seem to be a small, contingent of Republican women and some men who have, against all reason, a crush on her. She’s “flirting” with us? Really? I see that sentiment often here, as ridiculous and odd as it is.

    And while love may make fools of it all, it doesn’t get you elected. (And for those about to make some crack about Obama, do you remember how long the Democratic primary took? )

    As for Mr. Frum’s obsession against Palin, a) he does it of course for the same reason as Huffpo to bring traffic in and b) the thought of Palin as president is so disturbing, one might legitimately feel an obsessive desire to squelch the risk. I know I do.

  • bw222

    Yet another hit piece on Sarah Palin. What’s your problem, David? Are you jealous that a woman from a humble background and a degree from the University of Idaho has accomplished far more in the past five years than you will in your entire life?

    This site has become as dishonest, pathetic and hateful as the smarmy little man for which it is named.

      • politicalfan

        Agreed- that it was crude and bad comedy.

        • ktward

          [Maher's] was crude and bad comedy.

          Crude? Why- because he used the T word? Biz as usual for Maher. There’s a reason why he’s on HBO, and the squeamish should simply not watch him. I’m immediately reminded that he once referred to HRC’s c**t. (Way more “crude”, imo, is the plethora of trashy, debasing reality/talk shows. Fortunately for me, my TV remote control works flawlessly.)

          Actually, if I had a critique of Maher it might be this (as evidenced nicely by jquintana’s vid clip): in my experience, he sometimes just lets the subject matter simply write its own punchlines. No effort necessary. For a dude who only has to show up on camera once a week, it could seem kinda lame. Conversely, both Stewart and Colbert bang out a hell of a lot of expertly crafted satire 4 days a week. (Maher’s show format differs, so mine is perhaps not an apples-to-apples comparison.)

        • politicalfan

          Ktward- I think the term is crude. I understand that this is his thing but the wording was inappropriate. I am a Stewart fan btw.

          I just think he could have made his point with one less word. I may not fan Palin but I don’t think this is a term fair for any woman. Wasn’t necessary and I actually like Maher.

  • The Mad Jewess

    Why does everyone think that it is a ‘jealous thing’ if you are not on board with the Female Messiah, Sarah Palin?

    I dont understand it.

    I am a Daughter of the American Revolution on my fathers side of my family and a Jew by my mother. I don’t like Palin for one reason (for office) Shes a woman.

    I am told that I am ‘bigoted, racist, male-chauvinistic, xeno-phobic, homophobic, birther’ ETC.. Most of which I dont give a dam.

    I am one thing alone: An old fashioned American gal that knows that women are not fit to rule nations. We have a once a month madness that makes us nuts for one. After this affliction, we are given a few years of having imbalance that makes people nuts, Palin is no exception.Yes, I realize that this is not ‘popular’, but I dont really care. Its just the truth.

    There have been (5 or so) women in power that were known as great: Thatcher- Thatcher who was tested by the Argentinians just for BEING a woman. Meir: Who was sleeping at the switch during the Yom Kippur War, Israel was taken by surprise-they attacked BECAUSE she was a WOMAN.
    What about this present Queen Eliz? What power has she as a Queen now? Her nation is overtaken by Muslim crazies.

    Maybe if they had a King with cojones instead of a WOMAN, they would not be in this shape.
    Now we can look at Hitlery Clinton, Napalmitano, Kagan, Powers, Rice. Need I say more that women are a FAIL in ofc? Or are women to arrogant to admit this? I am not.

    Bachmann is about the only female with some real guts currently holding ofc.

    But, still….We have already have the affirmative action black racist Pres… Can we try to go back to the good ol fashioned way of running America with Christian WHITE men (oh so evil am I) in charge that are the REAL owners of America once again, preferably a Sheriff Joe type?

    Joe who does NOT quit his job, and gets sued all the time.

    Another thing.. Palins 2 state ‘solution’ for Israel is borderline insanity. And if this does not grab you as an American, maybe you should TRY to remember Gush Katif and the punishment we received for demanding Jews leave their land.

    SIDE NOTE:
    2008 Biden/Palin debate:
    Two-state solution for Israel/Palestine is a top priority
    Q: How would you solve Israel/Palestinian conflict?
    PALIN: A two-state solution is the solution.

    I live in AZ, where they call my state “Apartheid” just for existing.
    If a person is so willing to make ANOTHER country into a 2 state, wth will she do here.

    • ktward

      For this, I’m compelled to give you serious credit: having nothing to do with your jewish heritage, you could not have chosen for yourself a more fitting moniker.

      • The Mad Jewess

        AKtward, I didnt expect anything intellectual from you, but you are either one of the 2; A latent homosexual or a feminazi.

        • ktward

          you are either one of the 2; A latent homosexual or a feminazi.

          Your divining prowess is simply amazing! For certain I must be both.
          Do you have an 800 number I might call? Miss Cleo, alas, is no longer available to me.

    • think4yourself

      I’m going to hope that The Mad Jewess is engaging in really good satire, ala Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”. If so, my hat is off to you.

      If not…

      • ktward

        I clicked on her site. After a quick perusal, I’m pretty sure she’s serious. (Seriously batshit crazy, anyway.) Gah.

      • politicalfan

        Exactly Ktward- I am not sure what to think after looking at the website.

        • ktward

          pf- She’s a special kind of hoot, no question, but I find myself a tiny bit curious how it is that she landed here at FF. Maybe she’ll tell us. (I have all my fingers & toes crossed!)

        • politicalfan

          My hunch is her last post was about Palin via her site.

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