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		<title>By: National Bureau of Economic Research poll pushes &#8220;fat tax&#8221; propaganda &#171; Freedom and Linux</title>
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		<dc:creator>National Bureau of Economic Research poll pushes &#8220;fat tax&#8221; propaganda &#171; Freedom and Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bureau of Economic Research poll pushes &#8220;fat tax&#8221;&#160;propaganda By darthchaosofrspw  Is America Ready for a Fat Tax? July 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm by Tim [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bureau of Economic Research poll pushes &#8220;fat tax&#8221;&nbsp;propaganda By darthchaosofrspw  Is America Ready for a Fat Tax? July 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm by Tim [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In Michigan, They Will Call It A &#8220;Pop Tax&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Michigan, They Will Call It A &#8220;Pop Tax&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: corruptmemory</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/is-america-ready-for-a-fat-tax/comment-page-1#comment-55478</link>
		<dc:creator>corruptmemory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is where do you stop. What is considered “junk food”? I can eat steak and pork chops every night and be just as fat as the guy who eats cotton candy and doritos all day. And I’d probably be less healthy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is where do you stop. What is considered “junk food”? I can eat steak and pork chops every night and be just as fat as the guy who eats cotton candy and doritos all day. And I’d probably be less healthy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/is-america-ready-for-a-fat-tax/comment-page-1#comment-55414</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose that health insurance offer the same kinds of behavioral incentives and disincentives that life insurance and auto insurance offer.

Term life insurance offers two different premiums:  A lower one for non-smokers and a higher one for smokers.

Auto insurance premiums are based on a formula that takes into account driving history, whether antitheft devices are installed on the car, etc.  A safer driver may qualify for a lower premium.

I suggest doing the same thing with health insurance:  Someone who is more than 20% overweight should have to pay a surcharge on their health insurance premium.  Very simple.

This avoids discriminating against people&#039;s lifestyles, and lets them make whatever choices are necessary to stay healthy within their chosen lifestyle.  Someone who leads an active lifestyle (marathon runner, say) should be able to eat Big Macs without gaining weight.  Someone who leads a sedentary lifestyle may need to cut out the fatty foods in order to keep from becoming overweight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose that health insurance offer the same kinds of behavioral incentives and disincentives that life insurance and auto insurance offer.</p>
<p>Term life insurance offers two different premiums:  A lower one for non-smokers and a higher one for smokers.</p>
<p>Auto insurance premiums are based on a formula that takes into account driving history, whether antitheft devices are installed on the car, etc.  A safer driver may qualify for a lower premium.</p>
<p>I suggest doing the same thing with health insurance:  Someone who is more than 20% overweight should have to pay a surcharge on their health insurance premium.  Very simple.</p>
<p>This avoids discriminating against people&#8217;s lifestyles, and lets them make whatever choices are necessary to stay healthy within their chosen lifestyle.  Someone who leads an active lifestyle (marathon runner, say) should be able to eat Big Macs without gaining weight.  Someone who leads a sedentary lifestyle may need to cut out the fatty foods in order to keep from becoming overweight.</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/is-america-ready-for-a-fat-tax/comment-page-1#comment-55384</link>
		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ll give, poor example.&quot;

(*SMILE*) Fair enough, Geoff. (*WINK*)

&quot;But we did pretty effectively remove lead from people’s lives.&quot;

Yeah... the same idealists also banned DDT and millions have died because of it. 

Remember MTBE? (*SNORT*)

Oh, yeah... leave the frigg&#039;n PCBs buried and stop screwing around with old asbestos.

Geoff... this recap of recent environmental regulation aside... we&#039;re talking cheeseburgers, etc., not poisons. Yes, it&#039;s un-American (IMHO) to tell restaurants they can&#039;t offer all you can eat buffets.

(*SHRUG*)

I gave you the solution. Nip obesity in the bud. When it comes to minors the state has powers it doesn&#039;t - and shouldn&#039;t - possess in terms of dealing with adults. I say use these powers.

As to obesity as it effects healthcare costs, I&#039;m all for using actuarial data properly in insurance pricing. That&#039;s the way you tackle obesity - by targeting those who abuse their freedoms, not by taking my freedoms away from me.

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ll give, poor example.&#8221;</p>
<p>(*SMILE*) Fair enough, Geoff. (*WINK*)</p>
<p>&#8220;But we did pretty effectively remove lead from people’s lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; the same idealists also banned DDT and millions have died because of it. </p>
<p>Remember MTBE? (*SNORT*)</p>
<p>Oh, yeah&#8230; leave the frigg&#8217;n PCBs buried and stop screwing around with old asbestos.</p>
<p>Geoff&#8230; this recap of recent environmental regulation aside&#8230; we&#8217;re talking cheeseburgers, etc., not poisons. Yes, it&#8217;s un-American (IMHO) to tell restaurants they can&#8217;t offer all you can eat buffets.</p>
<p>(*SHRUG*)</p>
<p>I gave you the solution. Nip obesity in the bud. When it comes to minors the state has powers it doesn&#8217;t &#8211; and shouldn&#8217;t &#8211; possess in terms of dealing with adults. I say use these powers.</p>
<p>As to obesity as it effects healthcare costs, I&#8217;m all for using actuarial data properly in insurance pricing. That&#8217;s the way you tackle obesity &#8211; by targeting those who abuse their freedoms, not by taking my freedoms away from me.</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this is Geoff.  I switched back to my nickname.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this is Geoff.  I switched back to my nickname.</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give, poor example.  But I stand by my original point: we sin-tax and ban things that are bad for our health all the time.  It can pain my poor libertarian soul, but we do this all the time and often for the greater good.

I recall a similar uproar over trans fats bans sprouting up.  God, save us from that regulation.

And I get it.  I do.  Here&#039;s you on that elections post: &quot;What “reforms” are going to create an educated, active, civic minded, ethical, informed, logical electorate…??? Hmm…???&quot;  Your point is well taken.   We can&#039;t over-regulate or nanny-state our way to a perfect world or a perfect electorate.

But we did pretty effectively remove lead from people&#039;s lives.  And we&#039;ve banned certain plastics that seep into your foods.  And we ban pesticides.   Prescription meds are selectively applied mini-bans.   We ban certain additives.  And diseased animals.  The list goes on...

Heart disease is a (the, correct?) leading cause of death in the US.  Obesity is an epidemic.   Health care has spiraling costs.  It&#039;s not fear-mongering, nor un-American, nor anything but pragmatic theory to put the three together and come up with a solution.  

But yeah.  Back to your point.  Cocaine was a little off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give, poor example.  But I stand by my original point: we sin-tax and ban things that are bad for our health all the time.  It can pain my poor libertarian soul, but we do this all the time and often for the greater good.</p>
<p>I recall a similar uproar over trans fats bans sprouting up.  God, save us from that regulation.</p>
<p>And I get it.  I do.  Here&#8217;s you on that elections post: &#8220;What “reforms” are going to create an educated, active, civic minded, ethical, informed, logical electorate…??? Hmm…???&#8221;  Your point is well taken.   We can&#8217;t over-regulate or nanny-state our way to a perfect world or a perfect electorate.</p>
<p>But we did pretty effectively remove lead from people&#8217;s lives.  And we&#8217;ve banned certain plastics that seep into your foods.  And we ban pesticides.   Prescription meds are selectively applied mini-bans.   We ban certain additives.  And diseased animals.  The list goes on&#8230;</p>
<p>Heart disease is a (the, correct?) leading cause of death in the US.  Obesity is an epidemic.   Health care has spiraling costs.  It&#8217;s not fear-mongering, nor un-American, nor anything but pragmatic theory to put the three together and come up with a solution.  </p>
<p>But yeah.  Back to your point.  Cocaine was a little off.</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, 

You really wanna stick with that... er... analogy...???

(*SHRUG*)

No. Banning cocaine use is not un-American. Banning half pound restaurant burgers would be. 

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, </p>
<p>You really wanna stick with that&#8230; er&#8230; analogy&#8230;???</p>
<p>(*SHRUG*)</p>
<p>No. Banning cocaine use is not un-American. Banning half pound restaurant burgers would be. </p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/is-america-ready-for-a-fat-tax/comment-page-1#comment-55369</link>
		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hate to be that guy in that picture.  Hope he&#039;s not a regular NM reader.

At Bill: we outlaw crap all the time.  Is the ban on cocaine distinctly un-American to you as well?  

At Tim: there are really sweet urban planning studies done on low-income neighborhoods with little-to-no access to legit grocery stores.   The alternative?  McDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hate to be that guy in that picture.  Hope he&#8217;s not a regular NM reader.</p>
<p>At Bill: we outlaw crap all the time.  Is the ban on cocaine distinctly un-American to you as well?  </p>
<p>At Tim: there are really sweet urban planning studies done on low-income neighborhoods with little-to-no access to legit grocery stores.   The alternative?  McDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Mak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be reasonable to say that some of the poorer segments of society rely on these huge portions for their daily meals. On the other hand, those who are better off are making a CHOICE to eat foods - people, by now, understand that the thickburger is not the healthiest option. If they wish to eat something like that and it gives them pleasure to do so, I am not the least bit inclined to get government in their way. 

And to force fast food restaurants to offer healthy alternatives puts us on the road down to unintended consequences - McDonald&#039;s salads, for example, are more fattening than a a big mac when you put cheese and dressing on.

Why force fast food restaurants to do anything? If people want to lose weight (and surely there are society pressures to do so), they will stop eating junk food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be reasonable to say that some of the poorer segments of society rely on these huge portions for their daily meals. On the other hand, those who are better off are making a CHOICE to eat foods &#8211; people, by now, understand that the thickburger is not the healthiest option. If they wish to eat something like that and it gives them pleasure to do so, I am not the least bit inclined to get government in their way. </p>
<p>And to force fast food restaurants to offer healthy alternatives puts us on the road down to unintended consequences &#8211; McDonald&#8217;s salads, for example, are more fattening than a a big mac when you put cheese and dressing on.</p>
<p>Why force fast food restaurants to do anything? If people want to lose weight (and surely there are society pressures to do so), they will stop eating junk food.</p>
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