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		<title>By: Boomerang</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-133523</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomerang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Koch family might be easy to target for criticism but it&#039;s important to recognise that they have given vast sums to the community. I suspect that there&#039;re likely numerous causes  they have supported with no recognition. There are no successful businesses that don&#039;t have critics or those that they offend. I&#039;d rather have the Koch&#039;s as champions of our community than the legions of successful wallets across the Finance sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Koch family might be easy to target for criticism but it&#8217;s important to recognise that they have given vast sums to the community. I suspect that there&#8217;re likely numerous causes  they have supported with no recognition. There are no successful businesses that don&#8217;t have critics or those that they offend. I&#8217;d rather have the Koch&#8217;s as champions of our community than the legions of successful wallets across the Finance sector.</p>
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		<title>By: searchlight</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-132199</link>
		<dc:creator>searchlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to hand it to the Koch family. They play all sides of the conservative movement, and the big-government lobbying game, with great skill and unerring self-interest. 

They keep very quiet about it, too. The sock puppets at Fox News yap away endlessly about big bad George Soros, but never, never say a word about the Kochs and how they have bankrolled much of the rising fringe of the Right. 

The Kochs and their fat wallets are the silent partners of the conservative media/think tank/lobbying complex. They deserve far more public scrutiny - and not of the puff-piece variety this post demonstrates. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to hand it to the Koch family. They play all sides of the conservative movement, and the big-government lobbying game, with great skill and unerring self-interest. </p>
<p>They keep very quiet about it, too. The sock puppets at Fox News yap away endlessly about big bad George Soros, but never, never say a word about the Kochs and how they have bankrolled much of the rising fringe of the Right. </p>
<p>The Kochs and their fat wallets are the silent partners of the conservative media/think tank/lobbying complex. They deserve far more public scrutiny &#8211; and not of the puff-piece variety this post demonstrates.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenWhig</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131434</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenWhig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault:

Your comment led me to review Mr. Mak&#039;s blogger profile.  Somehow I&#039;m not surprised that he was a &quot;Koch Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.&quot;  Or perhaps I should be surprised that someone who is so smart can be so transparent about his cheerleading for a former benefactor.</description>
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<p>Your comment led me to review Mr. Mak&#8217;s blogger profile.  Somehow I&#8217;m not surprised that he was a &#8220;Koch Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.&#8221;  Or perhaps I should be surprised that someone who is so smart can be so transparent about his cheerleading for a former benefactor.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131416</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CitizenWhig:

&lt;b&gt;This profile was a puff piece and another example of how a “mainstream” media outlet treats a conservative figure with kid gloves.&lt;/b&gt;

But wait ... this was &quot;an almost unimprovable profile&quot; per Tim Mak.

So the question becomes - are Mr. Mak&#039;s standards just too low?  Or does Mr. Mak see the best interview of a Republican power broker being a People-magazine style interview which reveals the minimal amount of useful information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CitizenWhig:</p>
<p>This profile was a puff piece and another example of how a “mainstream” media outlet treats a conservative figure with kid gloves.</p>
<p>But wait &#8230; this was &#8220;an almost unimprovable profile&#8221; per Tim Mak.</p>
<p>So the question becomes &#8211; are Mr. Mak&#8217;s standards just too low?  Or does Mr. Mak see the best interview of a Republican power broker being a People-magazine style interview which reveals the minimal amount of useful information?</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenWhig</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131410</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenWhig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Koch family is perhaps the largest financial cog in the engine that drives conservative intellectual thought in this country.&quot;

I think this statement is representative of the problem with much conservative thought today.  For all of the talk about how conservatives are individualistic and rely on the free market, the modern conservative movement is very much the result of central planning groupthink.  Think tank organizations that are organized by wealthy power brokers, disseminate ideas to the footsoldiers in an organized, almost bureaucratic manner. 

I&#039;m sure Mr. Koch is very charismatic and personable, but I&#039;m less concerned about how well he presents in an interview and more about the ideology he is pushing.  He may say that he is against elements of the movement that &quot;go too far&quot; however he clearly will not identify these elements.  He gave a very lawyerly answer to the interviewer with regard to his connection to the Tea Party.  This profile was a puff piece and another example of how a &quot;mainstream&quot; media outlet treats a conservative figure with kid gloves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Koch family is perhaps the largest financial cog in the engine that drives conservative intellectual thought in this country.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this statement is representative of the problem with much conservative thought today.  For all of the talk about how conservatives are individualistic and rely on the free market, the modern conservative movement is very much the result of central planning groupthink.  Think tank organizations that are organized by wealthy power brokers, disseminate ideas to the footsoldiers in an organized, almost bureaucratic manner. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Mr. Koch is very charismatic and personable, but I&#8217;m less concerned about how well he presents in an interview and more about the ideology he is pushing.  He may say that he is against elements of the movement that &#8220;go too far&#8221; however he clearly will not identify these elements.  He gave a very lawyerly answer to the interviewer with regard to his connection to the Tea Party.  This profile was a puff piece and another example of how a &#8220;mainstream&#8221; media outlet treats a conservative figure with kid gloves.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131286</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFTor1: &lt;blockquote&gt; It always seems to escape rich people that they make their money off well ordered, civilized societies where the law rules the day. That would be societies endowed with effective government. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They don&#039;t forget that.

Contracts signed between companies, or between a company and an individual, would be worthless if there was no mechanism for enforcement.

But what a lot of folks on the Left tend to forget is that there&#039;s a big difference between &lt;i&gt;legality&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;government control&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFTor1:  It always seems to escape rich people that they make their money off well ordered, civilized societies where the law rules the day. That would be societies endowed with effective government.<br />
They don&#8217;t forget that.</p>
<p>Contracts signed between companies, or between a company and an individual, would be worthless if there was no mechanism for enforcement.</p>
<p>But what a lot of folks on the Left tend to forget is that there&#8217;s a big difference between legality and government control.</p>
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		<title>By: Living With Colon Cancer &#171; mesothelioma-faq.us</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131257</link>
		<dc:creator>Living With Colon Cancer &#171; mesothelioma-faq.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elvis Elvisberg</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131087</link>
		<dc:creator>Elvis Elvisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your point, SFTor1, I&#039;d think that, were I behind the veil of ignorance, I&#039;d be willing to pledge about 95% of my income in order to be born in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your point, SFTor1, I&#8217;d think that, were I behind the veil of ignorance, I&#8217;d be willing to pledge about 95% of my income in order to be born in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: SFTor1</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/inside-the-koch-family/comment-page-1#comment-131011</link>
		<dc:creator>SFTor1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 05:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always seems to escape rich people that they make their money off well ordered, civilized societies where the law rules the day. That would be societies endowed with effective government.

They always think that they invented infrastructure, education, and prosperity. Bah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always seems to escape rich people that they make their money off well ordered, civilized societies where the law rules the day. That would be societies endowed with effective government.</p>
<p>They always think that they invented infrastructure, education, and prosperity. Bah.</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Koch and sympathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Koch and sympathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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