Comments on: Immigration And The New Majority http://www.frumforum.com/immigration-and-the-new-majority Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Cavosie http://www.frumforum.com/immigration-and-the-new-majority/comment-page-1#comment-55118 Cavosie Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:56:11 +0000 #comment-55118 Thoughtful post. Thoughtful post.

]]> By: petty boozshwa http://www.frumforum.com/immigration-and-the-new-majority/comment-page-1#comment-53781 petty boozshwa Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:01:00 +0000 #comment-53781 I dispute the premise that "Hispanics" are a monolithic bloc that will penalize Republicans on this issue. Those that vote against us are doing so because they consume govt services, or on other issues, and might be lured back it there own jobs are made more secure by effective enforcement of E-Verify, a fence and other methods. No one is more supportive of the drawbridge being pulled up than those that just got across - ask the people on Eastern Long Island, or Vermont, or here in Western North Carolina where I live, and the most vociferous defense of "we natives" and our local culture are the people who have moved here in the last five years. I dispute the premise that “Hispanics” are a monolithic bloc that will penalize Republicans on this issue. Those that vote against us are doing so because they consume govt services, or on other issues, and might be lured back it there own jobs are made more secure by effective enforcement of E-Verify, a fence and other methods. No one is more supportive of the drawbridge being pulled up than those that just got across – ask the people on Eastern Long Island, or Vermont, or here in Western North Carolina where I live, and the most vociferous defense of “we natives” and our local culture are the people who have moved here in the last five years.

]]> By: dragonlady http://www.frumforum.com/immigration-and-the-new-majority/comment-page-1#comment-51876 dragonlady Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:08:35 +0000 #comment-51876 So now we're supposed to ignore the rule of law? What's wrong with comprehensive immigration reform? I don't want to round up all illegals and send them back but can we at least send back the violent felons? I can't tell whether this article is supporting blanket amnesty or what. But I believe the author has a good point on the GOP talking more about saving the "little guy's" job and not do what's best for a company's bottom line. The trick to doing it is not to appear nativist. We should approach this as preventing a shadow underclass of illegals that are taken advantage of. Still, you can't ignore the border problem. Perhaps that can be approached from a national security standpoint vs anti immigrant perspective, especially with all the drug violence in Mexico these days. So now we’re supposed to ignore the rule of law? What’s wrong with comprehensive immigration reform? I don’t want to round up all illegals and send them back but can we at least send back the violent felons? I can’t tell whether this article is supporting blanket amnesty or what. But I believe the author has a good point on the GOP talking more about saving the “little guy’s” job and not do what’s best for a company’s bottom line. The trick to doing it is not to appear nativist. We should approach this as preventing a shadow underclass of illegals that are taken advantage of. Still, you can’t ignore the border problem. Perhaps that can be approached from a national security standpoint vs anti immigrant perspective, especially with all the drug violence in Mexico these days.

]]> By: jsinger008 http://www.frumforum.com/immigration-and-the-new-majority/comment-page-1#comment-50305 jsinger008 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:33:34 +0000 #comment-50305 Bravo for an excellent post. The fact that certain Republicans (cough, "WSJ", cough) were willing to look the other way when it came to immigration law enforcement is shameful and wrong, especially for a party that trumpets its modern-day respect and support for get tough on crime policies. The HR folks you call attention to above make me sick. Of course, there is a kernal of truth in the argument that immigration *in the aggregate* can help boost economic growth and keep prices low. But there are real and serious human costs to the levels of illegal immigration we have allowed/ignored in this country since Reagan's mid-80s "reform": see for example any of the many excellent "City Journal" articles on this topic: http://city-journal.org/topical_index.php?topic=49 Or even Robert Rector's excellent study of the government costs to illegal immigration: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1523.cfm Finally, a smart immigration policy for this country would recognize the lasting contributions can make and would create laws that screened for the immigrants we think could continue to make contributions -- smart Indian programmers, Chinese capitalists, savy Mexican businessmen, and Arabs and Africans (in reasonable numbers) who believe strongly in freedom and want a chance to live the American dream. Our supposedly liberal neighbors to the north in Canada have an immigration policy that explicitly looks at the contributions an immigrant can make to Canadian society. Why don't we do the same? Bravo for an excellent post. The fact that certain Republicans (cough, “WSJ”, cough) were willing to look the other way when it came to immigration law enforcement is shameful and wrong, especially for a party that trumpets its modern-day respect and support for get tough on crime policies. The HR folks you call attention to above make me sick.

Of course, there is a kernal of truth in the argument that immigration *in the aggregate* can help boost economic growth and keep prices low. But there are real and serious human costs to the levels of illegal immigration we have allowed/ignored in this country since Reagan’s mid-80s “reform”: see for example any of the many excellent “City Journal” articles on this topic:

http://city-journal.org/topical_index.php?topic=49

Or even Robert Rector’s excellent study of the government costs to illegal immigration:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1523.cfm

Finally, a smart immigration policy for this country would recognize the lasting contributions can make and would create laws that screened for the immigrants we think could continue to make contributions — smart Indian programmers, Chinese capitalists, savy Mexican businessmen, and Arabs and Africans (in reasonable numbers) who believe strongly in freedom and want a chance to live the American dream. Our supposedly liberal neighbors to the north in Canada have an immigration policy that explicitly looks at the contributions an immigrant can make to Canadian society. Why don’t we do the same?

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