Comments on: How (not) To Talk About Obama

By: InTheMiddle12

InTheMiddle12 — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:19:46 +0000

Senor: “Cheating goes against core conservative values.?” I guess Richard Nixon, guilty of inspiring a breakin for political reasons andk Cheney, guilty of treason by outing a CIA agent, missed the memo.

No doubt all parties have those that break laws. I think the 2004 GOP Congressional class give you enough to start with. Until our dialogue rises above these ridiculous partisan untruthful rants, there can be no GOP majority.

By: senorlechero

senorlechero — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:51:08 +0000

That article also makes reference to Obama being asked by Sec. of State Rice to “call” Odinga in hopes of getting him to attempt to end the violence after the election. Perhaps that is what you are refering to as the State Dept. connection. But it makes me wonder why Rice called Obama….unless she knew Obama supported Odinga.

By: MSheridan

MSheridan — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:12:02 +0000

Ah, actually I had seen your linked page. When I spoke of conflicting reports, that page contained several of them. Interestingly, on it there is a link to the Time article I mentioned: The Demons That Still Haunt Africa @ http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1702349,00.html

By: senorlechero

senorlechero — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:02:49 +0000

Obama clearly won, that’s true, but “fair and square”? That may or may not be true. Nobody has a clue how many Obama voters voted in two or more polling places in states that allow same day registration and park benches as legal addresses. No one (actually a few young independent journalists are) is trying to find out how many inelligible voters were registered by groups like ACORN (a group Obama worked with in his community organizer days). Since 2000 when Democrats made a concerted effort to bar the votes of overseas military members they have been making efforts to legally cheat, twisting laws and regulations to benefit their candidate. Cheating goes against core conservative values, but is an ingrained liberal value.

By: sinz54

sinz54 — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:20:04 +0000

The conservative “new media,” particularly the blogosphere, is in a feisty “Fight, fight, fight” mood. Their oft-stated rationale is: “We’ll treat President Obama the way the Left treated President Bush.”

There are two things wrong with this. First of all, it’s pure revenge, and vengeance isn’t likely to appeal to swing voters or moderate voters. Secondly, Bush’s election in 2000 was marred by losing the popular vote, and winning the electoral vote only by a controversial recount process in Florida, which was challenged in several courtroom venues. Lots of decent Democrats thought Bush didn’t really win the election, and that bitterness tainted Bush’s entire presidency. Whereas Obama clearly won his election fair and square.

By: senorlechero

senorlechero — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:46:09 +0000

Sheridan….I’m not saying you are wrong about the O_K-S connection, but I’ve never heard about it and I’ve read alot about what’s going on in Kenya. I also have serious doubts that Bush would authorize his political enemy to be some sort of emmissary. As for the truth of Obama’s support, I agree with you about Corsi, however Obama’s support for Odinga has been widely reported. Here is a link to one article … http://tinyurl.com/4nd9gg

By: MSheridan

MSheridan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:57:20 +0000

I think it was a Time article in January 2008 in which I learned about the Obama-Kenya-State Dept. connection, although it might have been the USA Today of the same vintage. As for the campaigning it’s asserted Obama did for Odinga, I don’t know anything with surety. The fact that notorious liar Jerome Corsi appears to be a primary source of this report inspires negative confidence in that claim. Certainly most conservatives largely and rightly ignored his garbage attack pieces on McCain when Corsi was still a declared Presidential candidate on the Constitution Party ticket. When Obama visited Kenya on his CODEL, Odinga did take maximum advantage of proximity to a wildly popular figure to infer close association. Given the mass of conflicting reports, that’s all I feel I can be certain of.

By: Scott in Los Angeles

Scott in Los Angeles — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:47:53 +0000

Hannity is an embarrassment and a liability. In a time when we need to change peoples’ minds on issues, he changes none. He’s a choir-preaching blowhard who does more to alienate the opposition than to bring any of them over to our side.

By: senorlechero

senorlechero — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:07:54 +0000

taraziegler…you, like most democrats, have twisted what Rush said about Obama…He said if Obama implements Socialistic policies he wants them to fail. Huge difference. You democrats were working frantically for the past 8 year to insure Bush would fail. I don’t recall you or any other democrat chastising them for it.

By: senorlechero

senorlechero — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:05:22 +0000

MSheridan….I really appreciate you answering a question, how refreshing. To answer yours…No, I’m not refereing to Odinga’s claim to be Obama’s cousin (though I wonder why you call it false….my friend, a powerful person in Nairobi says it’s most likely true, and I know of no proof that it’s not….though it doesn’t matter), I’m refering to the fact that Obama campaigned for Odinga while visiting Kenya. Odinga is as corrupt as Kibaki, and has made an agreement with radical Islamists in Kenya. I’m curious where you got the informations that Obama was asked to speak with Odinga by the state dept?