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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems Maj. Hasan was trying to serve his country and may have lost it over being harassed for being Muslim. I was already thinking of a Columbine type scenario.

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 He said his cousin had been a practicing Muslim who had become more devout after the deaths of his parents, in 1998 and 2001. But he said he had not expressed anti-American views or radical ideas.

“His parents didn’t want him to go into the military,” Mr. Hasan said. “He said, ‘No, I was born and raised here, I’m going to do my duty to the country.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems Maj. Hasan was trying to serve his country and may have lost it over being harassed for being Muslim. I was already thinking of a Columbine type scenario.</p>
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 He said his cousin had been a practicing Muslim who had become more devout after the deaths of his parents, in 1998 and 2001. But he said he had not expressed anti-American views or radical ideas.</p>
<p>“His parents didn’t want him to go into the military,” Mr. Hasan said. “He said, ‘No, I was born and raised here, I’m going to do my duty to the country.
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		<title>By: Reason60</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sinz and Barry Goldwater-
Actually, the contradiction between pro-war and fiscal conservatism was noticed about the time Barry Goldwater made it his platform.
The idea is that war is always, always insanely expensive; there is no way any nation can fight wars and keep a balanced budget. Can you name a nation that ever fought a war, and reduced its government?

You have to choose one or the other; we can argue about whether or not the wars are necessary; but war not only is expensive, it always, always, enlarges the role of the central government.

This is why I say there is no such thing as a pro-war fiscal conservative; the two things flatly contradict each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sinz and Barry Goldwater-<br />
Actually, the contradiction between pro-war and fiscal conservatism was noticed about the time Barry Goldwater made it his platform.<br />
The idea is that war is always, always insanely expensive; there is no way any nation can fight wars and keep a balanced budget. Can you name a nation that ever fought a war, and reduced its government?</p>
<p>You have to choose one or the other; we can argue about whether or not the wars are necessary; but war not only is expensive, it always, always, enlarges the role of the central government.</p>
<p>This is why I say there is no such thing as a pro-war fiscal conservative; the two things flatly contradict each other.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm

&quot;Soldiers lose it all the time.&quot;

........There are as many crazy people in the army as in any other walk of life......rather more in my experience</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Soldiers lose it all the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..There are as many crazy people in the army as in any other walk of life&#8230;&#8230;rather more in my experience</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm 

........somewhat amazingly this is the second shooting incident at this place within a year......apparently there was a single shooting death there about a year ago involving another serviceman according to NBC news........it&#039;s really premature to start drawing any conclusions about this as the amount of info available is next to zero.......the way some of these politicians rush to a microphone is grotesque......I heard Hutchison warbling away spreading all sorts of garbage on CNN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..somewhat amazingly this is the second shooting incident at this place within a year&#8230;&#8230;apparently there was a single shooting death there about a year ago involving another serviceman according to NBC news&#8230;&#8230;..it&#8217;s really premature to start drawing any conclusions about this as the amount of info available is next to zero&#8230;&#8230;.the way some of these politicians rush to a microphone is grotesque&#8230;&#8230;I heard Hutchison warbling away spreading all sorts of garbage on CNN</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
” Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem. (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given a choice between a Democrat and any Republican African-Americans will choose the party that isn&#039;t home to the Sons of the Confederacy every time.

Nothing to do with them being white, though virtually all of them are. It has to do with a party of crazy people who do things like fight unemployment extension in the midst of the worst economic situation in over 70 years. What reason in the world is there to vote for a party of anti-evolution, anti-contraceptives, anti-minimum wage, anti-regulation, tax protesters and fanatics.

Your party lost a seat they have held since Christ was a corporal due to Sarah Palin&#039;s interference and Rush Limbaugh&#039;s insults to women.

Nicely done.</description>
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” Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem. (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)”
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<p>Given a choice between a Democrat and any Republican African-Americans will choose the party that isn&#8217;t home to the Sons of the Confederacy every time.</p>
<p>Nothing to do with them being white, though virtually all of them are. It has to do with a party of crazy people who do things like fight unemployment extension in the midst of the worst economic situation in over 70 years. What reason in the world is there to vote for a party of anti-evolution, anti-contraceptives, anti-minimum wage, anti-regulation, tax protesters and fanatics.</p>
<p>Your party lost a seat they have held since Christ was a corporal due to Sarah Palin&#8217;s interference and Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s insults to women.</p>
<p>Nicely done.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
This soldier-traitor was shouting in Arabic.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really, you know this how? I know you&#039;re sure of the truthiness of your belief, but does it have any basis  in, you know reality. Hasan was born in Virginia and according to the New York Times his background looks about the same as any other Joe who joins the Army.

Except for the name of course.

Soldiers lose it all the time. Back in the day I hated running the qualification range because you never knew if of of the soldiers with live ammo might pick to day to have a melt down. Funny that even the worst troop is expected to go to the range to qualify twice a year.

I know it&#039;s an Army post, but soldiers have not had routine access to their weapons since the days of the Vietnam war. Dollars to donuts the weapons came from one of the dozens of gun or pawn shops near the base.

An unstable man with a rifle. Always a good mix. In any case your slavering horde will get next to no coverage for their 2 minutes of hate thanks to this.</description>
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This soldier-traitor was shouting in Arabic.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Really, you know this how? I know you&#8217;re sure of the truthiness of your belief, but does it have any basis  in, you know reality. Hasan was born in Virginia and according to the New York Times his background looks about the same as any other Joe who joins the Army.</p>
<p>Except for the name of course.</p>
<p>Soldiers lose it all the time. Back in the day I hated running the qualification range because you never knew if of of the soldiers with live ammo might pick to day to have a melt down. Funny that even the worst troop is expected to go to the range to qualify twice a year.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s an Army post, but soldiers have not had routine access to their weapons since the days of the Vietnam war. Dollars to donuts the weapons came from one of the dozens of gun or pawn shops near the base.</p>
<p>An unstable man with a rifle. Always a good mix. In any case your slavering horde will get next to no coverage for their 2 minutes of hate thanks to this.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:15 pm

&quot; Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem. (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)&quot;

.........That might be not unconnected with the fact Republican approval amongst black voters is around 3%........the reasons for this are numerous.......one of them is that the GOP these days is perceived as being somewhat racist in its outlook........is it a complete coincidence that the Republican heartland these days is exactly those states that made up the confederacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:15 pm</p>
<p>&#8221; Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem. (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;That might be not unconnected with the fact Republican approval amongst black voters is around 3%&#8230;&#8230;..the reasons for this are numerous&#8230;&#8230;.one of them is that the GOP these days is perceived as being somewhat racist in its outlook&#8230;&#8230;..is it a complete coincidence that the Republican heartland these days is exactly those states that made up the confederacy?</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:08 pm 

&quot;I’ve never seen foreign or military policy discussed at any Tea Party protest&quot;

.............Discussion and Tea Party Rallies are a contradiction in terms.........and is there really any doubt that these folks are virulently nationalistic and nativist in outlook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Nov 5, 2009 at 9:08 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve never seen foreign or military policy discussed at any Tea Party protest&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Discussion and Tea Party Rallies are a contradiction in terms&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and is there really any doubt that these folks are virulently nationalistic and nativist in outlook</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms:  &lt;blockquote&gt; A mob descends on Washington shouting slogans about killing health care the same day a soldier goes berserk and actually kills people at Fort hood. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They weren&#039;t shouting in the same language.

The conservative protesters were chanting in English.

This soldier-traitor was shouting in Arabic.

Perhaps the lesson is:  If you hear anybody around you start shouting in Arabic, duck.  It&#039;s only prudent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms:<br />
<blockquote> A mob descends on Washington shouting slogans about killing health care the same day a soldier goes berserk and actually kills people at Fort hood. </p></blockquote>
<p>They weren&#8217;t shouting in the same language.</p>
<p>The conservative protesters were chanting in English.</p>
<p>This soldier-traitor was shouting in Arabic.</p>
<p>Perhaps the lesson is:  If you hear anybody around you start shouting in Arabic, duck.  It&#8217;s only prudent.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheves Ligon: &lt;blockquote&gt; I’ve been involved in local and state politics, and I can tell you why the GOP has lost out in my home town: immigration &lt;/blockquote&gt;
The real reason why Foxx won is he&#039;s black, and he benefited from a huge turnout of black voters (now up to 35% of Charlotte&#039;s population).  

Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem.  (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheves Ligon:<br />
<blockquote> I’ve been involved in local and state politics, and I can tell you why the GOP has lost out in my home town: immigration </p></blockquote>
<p>The real reason why Foxx won is he&#8217;s black, and he benefited from a huge turnout of black voters (now up to 35% of Charlotte&#8217;s population).  </p>
<p>Given a choice between a black Dem and a white Repub, the black voters will always vote overwhelmingly for the black Dem.  (Can anyone think of any counterexamples?)</p>
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