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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72670</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54, I was there guy.  I watched my fellow gay activists hold those hand-made signs that berated Rove, Cheney and Bush by portraying them engaged in gay acts... as if, that&#039;s the worst thing that someone can say about a man.  &quot;OMG, he&#039;s gay!&quot;

They were gay activists working hard inside the Democrat Party.  You see them as leftists first?  I don&#039;t know about that... I see them as gay activists.

By the way, I saw those same signs each year at the Annual Easter Egg Roll at the WH... gay democrat activists wanted to take that occasion and protest that they weren&#039;t allowed to marry and adopt (lie) and bring their children (lie #2)  to the Easter Egg Roll by the &quot;fascist&quot; GOP Administration (lie #3) .  Talk about the wrong place to protest --but it didn&#039;t matter to those gay activists... they wanted to make the parents and observers feel uncomfortable... much like some of the democrat trolls here do on a daily basis.

You see some of that as leftist?  I&#039;m sorry, I know they are gay democrat activists first and foremost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54, I was there guy.  I watched my fellow gay activists hold those hand-made signs that berated Rove, Cheney and Bush by portraying them engaged in gay acts&#8230; as if, that&#8217;s the worst thing that someone can say about a man.  &#8220;OMG, he&#8217;s gay!&#8221;</p>
<p>They were gay activists working hard inside the Democrat Party.  You see them as leftists first?  I don&#8217;t know about that&#8230; I see them as gay activists.</p>
<p>By the way, I saw those same signs each year at the Annual Easter Egg Roll at the WH&#8230; gay democrat activists wanted to take that occasion and protest that they weren&#8217;t allowed to marry and adopt (lie) and bring their children (lie #2)  to the Easter Egg Roll by the &#8220;fascist&#8221; GOP Administration (lie #3) .  Talk about the wrong place to protest &#8211;but it didn&#8217;t matter to those gay activists&#8230; they wanted to make the parents and observers feel uncomfortable&#8230; much like some of the democrat trolls here do on a daily basis.</p>
<p>You see some of that as leftist?  I&#8217;m sorry, I know they are gay democrat activists first and foremost.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72665</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MI-GOPer: &lt;blockquote&gt; Gays using gay acts to demean their opponents? To show their disgust for political enemies they present them as being gay? Just like TeaBag does above. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s your answer.

It wasn&#039;t GAYS using gay acts to demean their opponents.
It was LEFTISTS using gay acts (and all manner of genuine obscenity, which gay acts are not) to demean their opponents.

The use of boorishness and anti-social behavior as a political tool was popularized by the New Left in the 1960s, following faithfully the playbook of Antonio Gramsci early in the 20th century.  It&#039;s just that the gay liberation movement was part of that New Left movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MI-GOPer:  Gays using gay acts to demean their opponents? To show their disgust for political enemies they present them as being gay? Just like TeaBag does above.<br />
There&#8217;s your answer.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t GAYS using gay acts to demean their opponents.<br />
It was LEFTISTS using gay acts (and all manner of genuine obscenity, which gay acts are not) to demean their opponents.</p>
<p>The use of boorishness and anti-social behavior as a political tool was popularized by the New Left in the 1960s, following faithfully the playbook of Antonio Gramsci early in the 20th century.  It&#8217;s just that the gay liberation movement was part of that New Left movement.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72631</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gay conservative, I watched my fellow gay friends --of whom, 85% are solid, dyed-in-the-wool, hardcore partisan Democrats-- make up protest posters showing Geo Bush kissing the Saudi king just like our TeaBag Troll points out in Comment 1 of this thread.  I also watched my gay friends make up posters showing Karl Rove getting barebacked by Dick Cheney and, hard as this is to believe, my friends carried those and other similar signs down Constitution Avenue in DC protesting the liberation of Iraq.

Didn&#039;t matter that Cheney is one of the most progressive GOP leaders on gay rights and gay marriage (&quot;I always thought that freedom means freedom for all&quot;).

Didn&#039;t matter that as gay Democrats, they were using specific gender-bigoted images to slam their opponents... as if, these gay Democrat activists were saying to the viewer: nothing could be worse, more loathsome, more corrupt, more immoral than engaging in gay sexual conduct.

It&#039;s staggering.  Gays using gay acts to demean their opponents?  To show their disgust for political enemies they present them as being gay?  Just like TeaBag does above.

Alice in Wonderland has captured TeaBag and made him King for the Day... not just our Village Idiot.  King for the Day in Wonderland.

Bravo on your newest accomplishment, TeaBag.  It may be the highest you get this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay conservative, I watched my fellow gay friends &#8211;of whom, 85% are solid, dyed-in-the-wool, hardcore partisan Democrats&#8211; make up protest posters showing Geo Bush kissing the Saudi king just like our TeaBag Troll points out in Comment 1 of this thread.  I also watched my gay friends make up posters showing Karl Rove getting barebacked by Dick Cheney and, hard as this is to believe, my friends carried those and other similar signs down Constitution Avenue in DC protesting the liberation of Iraq.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t matter that Cheney is one of the most progressive GOP leaders on gay rights and gay marriage (&#8220;I always thought that freedom means freedom for all&#8221;).</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t matter that as gay Democrats, they were using specific gender-bigoted images to slam their opponents&#8230; as if, these gay Democrat activists were saying to the viewer: nothing could be worse, more loathsome, more corrupt, more immoral than engaging in gay sexual conduct.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s staggering.  Gays using gay acts to demean their opponents?  To show their disgust for political enemies they present them as being gay?  Just like TeaBag does above.</p>
<p>Alice in Wonderland has captured TeaBag and made him King for the Day&#8230; not just our Village Idiot.  King for the Day in Wonderland.</p>
<p>Bravo on your newest accomplishment, TeaBag.  It may be the highest you get this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Willems</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72545</link>
		<dc:creator>Willems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a surprisingly stupid discussion.  Japanese don&#039;t normally shake hands.  Both are trying to do what the other culture normally does.  I&#039; m  not an Obama supporter at all but on this I come to his defense.

If anything, this shows how innorant and arogant Americans are.  Pathetic and embarrassing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a surprisingly stupid discussion.  Japanese don&#8217;t normally shake hands.  Both are trying to do what the other culture normally does.  I&#8217; m  not an Obama supporter at all but on this I come to his defense.</p>
<p>If anything, this shows how innorant and arogant Americans are.  Pathetic and embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72542</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arch // Nov 17, 2009 at 2:44 pm

Teabag. Who cares? It’s mindlessly malicious to chide him for something so superficial and unimportant. I doubt he cares but it lowers the quality of discussion here.

Mindless and malicious is how I would characterize 90% of the commentary on Obama from the Right wing-nuts both here and elsewhere. As I said upthread You guys can dish it out but you sure can&#039;t take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arch // Nov 17, 2009 at 2:44 pm</p>
<p>Teabag. Who cares? It’s mindlessly malicious to chide him for something so superficial and unimportant. I doubt he cares but it lowers the quality of discussion here.</p>
<p>Mindless and malicious is how I would characterize 90% of the commentary on Obama from the Right wing-nuts both here and elsewhere. As I said upthread You guys can dish it out but you sure can&#8217;t take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teabag.  Who cares?  It&#039;s mindlessly malicious to chide him for something so superficial and unimportant.  I doubt he cares but it lowers the quality of discussion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teabag.  Who cares?  It&#8217;s mindlessly malicious to chide him for something so superficial and unimportant.  I doubt he cares but it lowers the quality of discussion here.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, massive heaps of silly!

first, Obama probably did bow too much.  BFD.  He was bowing to a munchkin, and it probably didn&#039;t occur to him to stop until he started to get eye to eye.  It really doesn&#039;t matter.

second, Bush&#039;s transgressions on this count are past.  They&#039;re also wholly unrelated to this.  Both the Bandar kiss and the Merkel grope were examples of over-familiarism.  This was lack of preparation.   Personally, it doesn&#039;t bother me that a substantial part of Obama&#039;s prep didn&#039;t include &quot;how low is it appropriate to bow&quot;, but ymmv.

third, while the Joe Kline and David Frum pics to the right as I type might be an example of dueling hairlines ... again, bfd.  If Frum starts hacking on people for their own grooming, this might come into play.  But otherwise the comment looks worse for the commentor than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, massive heaps of silly!</p>
<p>first, Obama probably did bow too much.  BFD.  He was bowing to a munchkin, and it probably didn&#8217;t occur to him to stop until he started to get eye to eye.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>second, Bush&#8217;s transgressions on this count are past.  They&#8217;re also wholly unrelated to this.  Both the Bandar kiss and the Merkel grope were examples of over-familiarism.  This was lack of preparation.   Personally, it doesn&#8217;t bother me that a substantial part of Obama&#8217;s prep didn&#8217;t include &#8220;how low is it appropriate to bow&#8221;, but ymmv.</p>
<p>third, while the Joe Kline and David Frum pics to the right as I type might be an example of dueling hairlines &#8230; again, bfd.  If Frum starts hacking on people for their own grooming, this might come into play.  But otherwise the comment looks worse for the commentor than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72530</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I obviously hit a raw nerve here... Frum&#039;s combover is so obvious it stands out a mile. I&#039;m not being nasty just stating facts. If you can&#039;t stand the blow get out of the wind. Or do as all chickehawk conservatives do. Whine,Whine,Whine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I obviously hit a raw nerve here&#8230; Frum&#8217;s combover is so obvious it stands out a mile. I&#8217;m not being nasty just stating facts. If you can&#8217;t stand the blow get out of the wind. Or do as all chickehawk conservatives do. Whine,Whine,Whine</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72529</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there&#039;s not much there.   Besides, this won&#039;t stick to Obama, because it conflicts with the meme that Obama is arrogant or narcissistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there&#8217;s not much there.   Besides, this won&#8217;t stick to Obama, because it conflicts with the meme that Obama is arrogant or narcissistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/grovel-grovel/comment-page-1#comment-72526</link>
		<dc:creator>Arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with MI-GOPer (!?!)  There are much bigger fish to fry (and David dressses well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with MI-GOPer (!?!)  There are much bigger fish to fry (and David dressses well).</p>
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