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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/gop-splits-over-proposal-to-count-illegals-in-census/comment-page-1#comment-69799</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balcone advises: &quot;... but I guess I’m also glad you must keep your most delusional writing over there, rather than filling pages here with it.&quot;

If you could only follow your own advice, balcones.  Delusional describes your usual commentary quality here perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balcone advises: &#8220;&#8230; but I guess I’m also glad you must keep your most delusional writing over there, rather than filling pages here with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you could only follow your own advice, balcones.  Delusional describes your usual commentary quality here perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/gop-splits-over-proposal-to-count-illegals-in-census/comment-page-1#comment-69798</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 contemplates: &quot;I still wonder if asking someone if they’re an illegal alien is constitutional. By definition, an illegal alien is a criminal; he’s violated the law but gotten away with it so far&quot;.

Well, we all know that being an illegal alien in some cities is a protected status, sinz54 --even though it should be treated as a crime.  Illegal aliens and others won&#039;t just be the ones answering this question, though.  In the post-census &quot;tweaking&quot; by the stats guys hired by activist groups, you can bet that groups will be pressing to have census numbers modified to account for a generous segment of illegal aliens who exist even in a theoretical construct or modeling program.

It&#039;d be unlikely a sympathetic and empowering Obama Administration would try to thwart anything that helped Democrats gain $$$ or votes, legal or otherwise. And if it did get to litigation in Federal Court, given the federal judiciary&#039;s treatment of census issues, I&#039;m guessing there&#039;ll be more illegal aliens &quot;counted&quot; than even exist in real life.

Unless they&#039;re coming up here to get some free ObamaCare... lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 contemplates: &#8220;I still wonder if asking someone if they’re an illegal alien is constitutional. By definition, an illegal alien is a criminal; he’s violated the law but gotten away with it so far&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, we all know that being an illegal alien in some cities is a protected status, sinz54 &#8211;even though it should be treated as a crime.  Illegal aliens and others won&#8217;t just be the ones answering this question, though.  In the post-census &#8220;tweaking&#8221; by the stats guys hired by activist groups, you can bet that groups will be pressing to have census numbers modified to account for a generous segment of illegal aliens who exist even in a theoretical construct or modeling program.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be unlikely a sympathetic and empowering Obama Administration would try to thwart anything that helped Democrats gain $$$ or votes, legal or otherwise. And if it did get to litigation in Federal Court, given the federal judiciary&#8217;s treatment of census issues, I&#8217;m guessing there&#8217;ll be more illegal aliens &#8220;counted&#8221; than even exist in real life.</p>
<p>Unless they&#8217;re coming up here to get some free ObamaCare&#8230; lol.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joedee1969: &lt;b&gt;If they are counted, they all will get health care paid for by all of us.&lt;/b&gt;

Huh?  The logical gap here is big enough for Rush Limbaugh to fall through.

I&#039;m very glad I don&#039;t waste time jumping to the links you hit-troll with constantly here ... but I guess I&#039;m also glad you must keep your most delusional writing over there, rather than filling pages here with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joedee1969: If they are counted, they all will get health care paid for by all of us.</p>
<p>Huh?  The logical gap here is big enough for Rush Limbaugh to fall through.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very glad I don&#8217;t waste time jumping to the links you hit-troll with constantly here &#8230; but I guess I&#8217;m also glad you must keep your most delusional writing over there, rather than filling pages here with it.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbs:

Please don&#039;t hijack the discussion thread.

Your post belongs in a different discussion.</description>
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<p>Please don&#8217;t hijack the discussion thread.</p>
<p>Your post belongs in a different discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......oops  &quot;apparently Kristol agrees with me&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;oops  &#8220;apparently Kristol agrees with me&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/gop-splits-over-proposal-to-count-illegals-in-census/comment-page-1#comment-69758</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Oct 27, 2009 at 10:04 am 

.......This caught my eye in this morning&#039;s WAPO........apparently Kristol agrees with.......you, mi-goper, churl et al are the future of the GOP........great news don&#039;t you think......but for whom?  

&quot;The center of gravity, I suspect, will instead lie with individuals such as Palin and Huckabee and Gingrich, media personalities like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, and activists at town halls and tea parties. Some will lament this -- but over the past year, as those voices have dominated, conservatism has done pretty well in the body politic, and Republicans have narrowed the gap with Democrats in test ballots. 

The lesson activists around the country will take from this is that a vigorous, even if somewhat irritated, conservative/populist message seems to be more effective in revitalizing the Republican Party than an attempt to accommodate the wishes of liberal media elites. 

So the GOP is likely, for the foreseeable future, to be of a conservative mind and in a populist mood. In American politics, there are worse things to be. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Oct 27, 2009 at 10:04 am </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.This caught my eye in this morning&#8217;s WAPO&#8230;&#8230;..apparently Kristol agrees with&#8230;&#8230;.you, mi-goper, churl et al are the future of the GOP&#8230;&#8230;..great news don&#8217;t you think&#8230;&#8230;but for whom?  </p>
<p>&#8220;The center of gravity, I suspect, will instead lie with individuals such as Palin and Huckabee and Gingrich, media personalities like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, and activists at town halls and tea parties. Some will lament this &#8212; but over the past year, as those voices have dominated, conservatism has done pretty well in the body politic, and Republicans have narrowed the gap with Democrats in test ballots. </p>
<p>The lesson activists around the country will take from this is that a vigorous, even if somewhat irritated, conservative/populist message seems to be more effective in revitalizing the Republican Party than an attempt to accommodate the wishes of liberal media elites. </p>
<p>So the GOP is likely, for the foreseeable future, to be of a conservative mind and in a populist mood. In American politics, there are worse things to be. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still wonder if asking someone if they&#039;re an illegal alien is constitutional.

By definition, an illegal alien is a criminal; he&#039;s violated the law but gotten away with it so far.

So the Vitter amendment would essentially create a Government survey where they knock on every person&#039;s door and ask them &quot;Have you broken the law and gotten away with it so far?&quot;  I thought the Fifth Amendment prohibited the government from forcing you to incriminate yourself.

I honestly don&#039;t see how the Federal Government can summarily ask all persons if they&#039;re lawbreakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still wonder if asking someone if they&#8217;re an illegal alien is constitutional.</p>
<p>By definition, an illegal alien is a criminal; he&#8217;s violated the law but gotten away with it so far.</p>
<p>So the Vitter amendment would essentially create a Government survey where they knock on every person&#8217;s door and ask them &#8220;Have you broken the law and gotten away with it so far?&#8221;  I thought the Fifth Amendment prohibited the government from forcing you to incriminate yourself.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see how the Federal Government can summarily ask all persons if they&#8217;re lawbreakers.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 mi-goper // Oct 27, 2009 at 7:46 am 

&quot;I hope all the far Left trolls on this site take note for once… because it seems they often whine and try to dismiss what the Framers thought or intended should even matter when it comes to THEIR important liberal issue of the day.&quot;

.......Like to give us a few examples........or is this your strawman du jour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 mi-goper // Oct 27, 2009 at 7:46 am </p>
<p>&#8220;I hope all the far Left trolls on this site take note for once… because it seems they often whine and try to dismiss what the Framers thought or intended should even matter when it comes to THEIR important liberal issue of the day.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.Like to give us a few examples&#8230;&#8230;..or is this your strawman du jour</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/gop-splits-over-proposal-to-count-illegals-in-census/comment-page-1#comment-69738</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal and legal aliens, the homeless and others should be counted in the Census; counting illegals should HELP California, NY, Michigan and other states.  

To me, it&#039;s interesting how issues that concerned the Framers and are usually scoffed at today --like apportionment of Congressional districts, who gets counted and who doesn&#039;t, big states vs smaller population states, etc-- are evident in these 21st C issues.  Madison and Adams &amp; other Framers were concerned about nearly the same issues 220+ yrs ago.

I hope all the far Left trolls on this site take note for once... because it seems they often whine and try to dismiss what the Framers thought or intended should even matter when it comes to THEIR important liberal issue of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal and legal aliens, the homeless and others should be counted in the Census; counting illegals should HELP California, NY, Michigan and other states.  </p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s interesting how issues that concerned the Framers and are usually scoffed at today &#8211;like apportionment of Congressional districts, who gets counted and who doesn&#8217;t, big states vs smaller population states, etc&#8211; are evident in these 21st C issues.  Madison and Adams &amp; other Framers were concerned about nearly the same issues 220+ yrs ago.</p>
<p>I hope all the far Left trolls on this site take note for once&#8230; because it seems they often whine and try to dismiss what the Framers thought or intended should even matter when it comes to THEIR important liberal issue of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: joedee1969</title>
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		<dc:creator>joedee1969</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are counted, they all will get health care paid for by all of us.Who can trust any of this?

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/swine-flu-what-to-do/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are counted, they all will get health care paid for by all of us.Who can trust any of this?</p>
<p><a href="http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/swine-flu-what-to-do/" rel="nofollow">http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/swine-flu-what-to-do/</a></p>
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