Comments on: GOP & Race: Don’t Blame All for Sins of a Few http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sdspringy http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-2#comment-55948 sdspringy Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:59:49 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55948 Really Otto, you better read Gingsburg comments about abortion, I believe she is mainstream. We may not know what Byrd has in his closet but the cape and cross was definitely there. And what about Sotomayor, she makes better decision than a white male. Can you say you make better decision than a black female and not get pinned with a label. You know of a Republican in an elected office that subscribes to racism, and please not some goofy college kid. Still don't see the quantum difference which you would love to crow about Really Otto, you better read Gingsburg comments about abortion, I believe she is mainstream. We may not know what Byrd has in his closet but the cape and cross was definitely there. And what about Sotomayor, she makes better decision than a white male. Can you say you make better decision than a black female and not get pinned with a label.
You know of a Republican in an elected office that subscribes to racism, and please not some goofy college kid. Still don’t see the quantum difference which you would love to crow about

]]> By: brutus1791 http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-2#comment-55933 brutus1791 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:27:19 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55933 Whoa (think Joey from Blossom)... the winky faces come to life! Whoa (think Joey from Blossom)… the winky faces come to life!

]]> By: brutus1791 http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55932 brutus1791 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:26:33 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55932 Otto, I reference you back to what I was hoping the conversation would become, and why what the conversation "was about" was going to get nothing accomplished. I'd be curious to know what my political standpoint is in your eyes quite honestly, but the Hitchcock reference I guess was supposed to demonstrate your age? Irrelevant issues? How is that? You failed to address any of them, just because you lack the argumentative ability to counter with something sound (or complete for god's sake) does not mean my arguments lack relevance. It just means you refuse to raise the level of your rhetoric to a suitable level. So be it *Shrug* ;) I guess calling me a young racist was your best shot then. Ouch. At least you demonstrated for sdspringy your modus operandi of being presented with several issues or anectodes, and cherry picked the one you could answer, and went back to bashing Republicans. Again, lowering the conversation to the level of tit-for-tat and FURTHER proving my points. For all, naturally. The tenor of my remarks... priceless. I always fancied myself a Siegfried Jerusalem type! tschüs! Otto, I reference you back to what I was hoping the conversation would become, and why what the conversation “was about” was going to get nothing accomplished. I’d be curious to know what my political standpoint is in your eyes quite honestly, but the Hitchcock reference I guess was supposed to demonstrate your age? Irrelevant issues? How is that? You failed to address any of them, just because you lack the argumentative ability to counter with something sound (or complete for god’s sake) does not mean my arguments lack relevance. It just means you refuse to raise the level of your rhetoric to a suitable level. So be it *Shrug* ;)

I guess calling me a young racist was your best shot then. Ouch.
At least you demonstrated for sdspringy your modus operandi of being presented with several issues or anectodes, and cherry picked the one you could answer, and went back to bashing Republicans. Again, lowering the conversation to the level of tit-for-tat and FURTHER proving my points. For all, naturally.

The tenor of my remarks… priceless. I always fancied myself a Siegfried Jerusalem type!

tschüs!

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55906 ottovbvs Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:28:59 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55906 sdspringy // Jul 13, 2009 at 9:13 am "Really. Which party has a former Grand Dragon of the KKK in their Senate leadership?" .........As far as know Bobby Byrd hasn't burned any flaming crosses lately and doesn't usually go around calling Obama a coon........You can accuse the Democrats of many things but racism isn't one of them...... they are a much more inclusive party......Could I find some racist Democrats sure.....it's not endemic however, nor do mainstream democrats in elective office ever subscribe to it...... it's a quantum difference however much you squirm sdspringy // Jul 13, 2009 at 9:13 am
“Really. Which party has a former Grand Dragon of the KKK in their Senate leadership?”

………As far as know Bobby Byrd hasn’t burned any flaming crosses lately and doesn’t usually go around calling Obama a coon……..You can accuse the Democrats of many things but racism isn’t one of them…… they are a much more inclusive party……Could I find some racist Democrats sure…..it’s not endemic however, nor do mainstream democrats in elective office ever subscribe to it…… it’s a quantum difference however much you squirm

]]> By: sdspringy http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55870 sdspringy Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:13:00 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55870 Ottovbvs : racism is fairly widespread in the Republican party. Really. Which party has a former Grand Dragon of the KKK in their Senate leadership? Which party likes to refer to a black woman in public office as a "twofer"? All those Union votes that the Dems love to spend money on, think that group is without racism. And my favorite is the Gingsberg comments on abortion, priceless coming from a Lib. The article is stupid because it tries to present an arguement for a false premise. Racism exist, in both parties, in all races, in all genders. Ottovbvs : racism is fairly widespread in the Republican party. Really. Which party has a former Grand Dragon of the KKK in their Senate leadership? Which party likes to refer to a black woman in public office as a “twofer”? All those Union votes that the Dems love to spend money on, think that group is without racism. And my favorite is the Gingsberg comments on abortion, priceless coming from a Lib.

The article is stupid because it tries to present an arguement for a false premise. Racism exist, in both parties, in all races, in all genders.

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55844 ottovbvs Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:50:23 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55844 brutus1791 // Jul 11, 2009 at 1:34 pm .......I reference you to what this discussion is about.....namely the presence real or imagined of racism in the GOP......since it's blatantly obvious that racism is fairly widespread in the Republican party I can understand that someone of your political standpoint would rather talk about historicism, gestalts and various other bits of what Alfred Hitchock called McGuffins. They are all largely irrelevant to the issue at hand and awfully unconvincing when, as is reported elsewhere on this blog, the Young Republicans have just elected as their chairman someone who routinely joins in discussions about the our present coon administration. Since the tenor of your remarks indicates your age group, I'm sure you fit in fine. brutus1791 // Jul 11, 2009 at 1:34 pm

…….I reference you to what this discussion is about…..namely the presence real or imagined of racism in the GOP……since it’s blatantly obvious that racism is fairly widespread in the Republican party I can understand that someone of your political standpoint would rather talk about historicism, gestalts and various other bits of what Alfred Hitchock called McGuffins. They are all largely irrelevant to the issue at hand and awfully unconvincing when, as is reported elsewhere on this blog, the Young Republicans have just elected as their chairman someone who routinely joins in discussions about the our present coon administration. Since the tenor of your remarks indicates your age group, I’m sure you fit in fine.

]]> By: brutus1791 http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55766 brutus1791 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:34:15 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55766 Otto: …..Dear me I’m a product of my life’s experiences…….Your ignoring context……we’re not bickering just talking about the extent to which racism is a problem real or perceived in the GOP…..I’m afraid you’re basically avoiding the issue by a bit of casuistry probably for reasons that are to do with your political viewpoint Otto, I am not negating the fact that life experiences contribute to the gestalt of one's being, per se. But to make value judgements based on them is a form of historicism is what I am trying to get at. The kid who grew up with a racist family in the south (who benefited greatly from the TVA and hasn't voted Republican since FDR) is still stuck in the cave looking at shadows of images by your point. On that point, the black kid who grew up loathing white cops because he has witnessed them being power-hungry in his neighborhood may grow up hating whites on the opposite side of the token. Again, experience cannot be taken away, but ultimately it will not help the broader issue of natural rights. I see no need for the quips, I am inclined to believe that by making this a tit-for-tat about who can name the larger number of racists or race-incidents relating to the opposite side is sophistry, and you may deduce that I am skirting the topic because I am 'conservative', once again you are the one avoiding the issue truly at hand, and I see continue the tradition of cherry picking which parts of my messages you respond to and the more important factors, you seem relatively silent. It was life's experiences that led you to be "mildly racist" to begin with was it not? Otto: …..Dear me I’m a product of my life’s experiences…….Your ignoring context……we’re not bickering just talking about the extent to which racism is a problem real or perceived in the GOP…..I’m afraid you’re basically avoiding the issue by a bit of casuistry probably for reasons that are to do with your political viewpoint

Otto, I am not negating the fact that life experiences contribute to the gestalt of one’s being, per se. But to make value judgements based on them is a form of historicism is what I am trying to get at. The kid who grew up with a racist family in the south (who benefited greatly from the TVA and hasn’t voted Republican since FDR) is still stuck in the cave looking at shadows of images by your point. On that point, the black kid who grew up loathing white cops because he has witnessed them being power-hungry in his neighborhood may grow up hating whites on the opposite side of the token. Again, experience cannot be taken away, but ultimately it will not help the broader issue of natural rights. I see no need for the quips, I am inclined to believe that by making this a tit-for-tat about who can name the larger number of racists or race-incidents relating to the opposite side is sophistry, and you may deduce that I am skirting the topic because I am ‘conservative’, once again you are the one avoiding the issue truly at hand, and I see continue the tradition of cherry picking which parts of my messages you respond to and the more important factors, you seem relatively silent.

It was life’s experiences that led you to be “mildly racist” to begin with was it not?

]]> By: Uncategorized | The Progressive Republican http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55732 Uncategorized | The Progressive Republican Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:37:42 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55732 [...] about the response given by a fellow blogger on New Majority, Dustin Siggins. In a post entitled “GOP & Race: Don’t Blame All for Sins of a Few” Siggins decides to “set the record straight” when it comes to conservative racism. He [...] [...] about the response given by a fellow blogger on New Majority, Dustin Siggins. In a post entitled “GOP & Race: Don’t Blame All for Sins of a Few” Siggins decides to “set the record straight” when it comes to conservative racism. He [...]

]]> By: VA Shepherd http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55730 VA Shepherd Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:06:51 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55730 Sean Linnane aka "Stormbringer" shows how to respond when rascism rears its ugly head: http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/ Sean Linnane aka “Stormbringer” shows how to respond when rascism rears its ugly head: http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/

]]> By: El Indio http://www.frumforum.com/gop-race-dont-blame-all-for-sins-of-a-few/comment-page-1#comment-55727 El Indio Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:59:14 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=7492#comment-55727 True, not all Republicans are racists, nor the majority of the party. The problem is that, as pointed out in post #14, people believe the party to be racist. I don't know how many of you were listening to talk radio during the immigration reform debate, but the comments by Limbaugh, et. al. and their listeners would reinforce those beliefs. The Texas legislature didn't help much during their session of last year. To the Republican controled state goverment, nothing was more important than passage of a bill requiring photo id's for voting. We need not only to attempt to prove that this is not the party of W.A.S.P.S, but to actively bring minorities into the party. So much is said about return to the ideals of Reagon, remember one of his greatest ideals was that the party was for everyone, and that that was one of the reasons that we had the moral MAJORITY. True, not all Republicans are racists, nor the majority of the party. The problem is that, as pointed out in post #14, people believe the party to be racist. I don’t know how many of you were listening to talk radio during the immigration reform debate, but the comments by Limbaugh, et. al. and their listeners would reinforce those beliefs. The Texas legislature didn’t help much during their session of last year. To the Republican controled state goverment, nothing was more important than passage of a bill requiring photo id’s for voting. We need not only to attempt to prove that this is not the party of W.A.S.P.S, but to actively bring minorities into the party. So much is said about return to the ideals of Reagon, remember one of his greatest ideals was that the party was for everyone, and that that was one of the reasons that we had the moral MAJORITY.

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