While I certainly agree that people will justify human cruelty and see themselves as great humanitarians while doing so. Slavery is the a great example, those savage apes, were cared for and came to know the lord Jesus, under my benevolent care and guidance. That type of thing.

There is a movement that will not be stopped, the voiceless have a voice, and for all those whose cause has been our concern, the work goes on, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…

Right now, the country is split down the middle between those who see being pro-choice as preserving an essential right of choice for women vs. those who see being pro-life as preserving the right to life of what they consider to be an unborn person. We don’t know as yet which way the nation will end up.

It could turn out that that someday, preserving the right to life of an unborn person will be regarded as equivalent to freeing the slaves–just as good and just as important.

But it could also turn out that someday, preserving the right to choose abortion will be regarded as equivalent to women suffrage–just as good and just as important.

Should we deny Down’s Syndrome people human rights because they have DNA that doesnt quite match most other humans?

All you are arguing about is that these humans dont pass the human hurdle for you so that their abuse can be justified. And that puts you in the company of a long list of villians through out history.

Yes close your ears. You dont want to have your ideas challenged. I hear you loud and clear. Quit rocking the boat. “I want to believe.”

Now your argument is that unborn human beings shouldnt be considered humans because they lack field working skills? Did you actually make that argument? And its me that has credibility problems?

When you scrape the mothers toenail, do you come up with DNA that does not match the mother?

I know it is difficult to think about these things and its much easier just to not think about these unpleasant things, or rather dehumanize those whose rights are being abused. Its classic. Genocide includes a dehumanization phase, so that the murder doesnt seem so bad. To face the reality that humans are being mass murdered is to feel pain. Much better to think of the murdered as not human and not alive, but rather toenail shavings.

sf, do you think that the law matters? Do you think that the Constitution matters? What it says? Or do you think it is an anachronism which should be tossed on the dung heap of bad ideas? If you like the Constitution, but think it should be changed, do you think the proper way to change the Constitution is by having judges “re-interpret” it to whatever suits the fashion of the day? Do you believe that the rule of law is well served by that “re-interpretation.” Why dont we change the Constitution as prescribed by the Constitution? Is the Constitution an impediment to the Leftist agenda, to be subverted and “re-interpreted?” because changing the Constitution would to difficult, and thus impede the Leftwing agenda?

Does any of this matter to you, or is it all just some kind of foolish bull shit. What you want is what you want, and screw the rule of law and the Constitution.

You will see that I advocated a role for government in standards making and as a regulatory body, futhermore as a safety netting where competition may not be sufficient to produce a well functioning market.

Perhaps you would like to buy a Soviet era Russian Car, and compare it to the Japanese Car of the same time period. Then tell me about how the market is a sham.

save your breath on the socialist/Marxist nature of the Democratic Party. It is preposterous nonsense. It really doesn’t matter what you say.

Slavery was indeed an egregious human rights abuse. Now you wouldn’t argue that the African slaves were fetuses, would you? Otherwise we have underestimated the agricultural abilities of these littlest ones.

You can take DNA from a fetus and determine that it is human. You can do the same with a toenail or saliva. You can call it what you want, but you cannot call it a person. That’s the point. I’m really not interested in an abortion discussion. Any Republican who thinks it’s a good banner cause for their party is welcome to it.

The point with education: the government does a lot of things besides governing. Running schools is one of them. Look to Europe, Asia, or try this place: the United States. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t change the fact that it is the overwhelming mainstream of modern societies.