Glenn Beck Wants A Whiter Spider-Man

August 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm | 111 Comments |

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Glenn Beck has a problem with the new Spider-Man, and he thinks Michelle Obama is to blame.

In one of Marvel’s comic series, Peter Parker has been killed off and the mantle of Spider-Man will be taken up by a new character: Miles Morales, who is half-black and half-Hispanic.

On his radio show today, after repeatedly telling listeners that “I don’t care” about the new Spider-Man and that it is just a “stupid comic book”, Beck got his real opinion out. He explained why the new bi-racial Spider-Man can be attributed to Michelle Obama.

“I think a lot of this stuff is being done intentionally. What was it that Mrs. Obama said before the campaign? Because its strange how so much of this seems to all be happening,” he said. Beck then played an audio file of Michelle Obama saying that “we’re gonna have to change our traditions.”

I wonder how Beck will react when he learns that Laurence Fishburne has been cast to play the first African-American Perry White in the next Superman film?

Also, you can’t claim that Spider-Man is a “stupid comic” when you called the ridiculous Spider-Man musical “by far, the best show I’ve ever seen.”

 

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  • gocart mozart

    I for one would like to see Superman’s long form birth certificate.

    • Xunzi Washington

      I don’t remember Clark Kent’s parents ever admitting that they found him in a meteor to the authorities so that little Clark could legally pursue a correct path to citizenship. No, those commie lib “parents” of his passed him off deceptively as their own. Which means that Kent is a clear illegal immigrant in the US.

  • Xunzi Washington

    I think it’s amusing that apparently Beck thinks a black Spiderman is a “changing of a tradition”.

    What tradition? The fact that Peter Parker was white was an intentional aspect of a tradition?

    This is why it is easy for people to see these folks as racists. I never thought of Peter Parker as a “white guy” by some odd necessity. I just thought of him as the guy who got stung by the radioactive spider and who fights bad guys and loves Mary Jane.

    To see him as essentially a white guy — and then to see this as an aspect of some tradition — is very revealing.

  • TerryF98

    We-re going to have to change our nut cases. This one is worn out.

  • Carney

    Why change Spider-Man at all? Why is it so urgent to do this?

    What was lacking or deficient about the white one? What message is being conveyed about a group when it is seen as OK to replace, displace, and co-opt its cultural icons with those from another group? When anyone who expresses any misgivings, unease, offense, or unhappiness about this is viciously demonized and pathologized as a warning to the rest to keep your mouths shut, to hunker down, to put up with it quietly, to avoid career- and respectability-ruining name-calling?

    Such a process happening in reverse is beyond taboo, unthinkable. No one even imagined let alone attempted to impose a white “Blade”. That is also revealing.

    Comics are modern mythology, tall tales, cultural touchtones and morality teachers. What started with Nick Fury, Kingpin, Heimdall, and others (the Omega Man, etc. etc.) is continuing onward into the big names that ordinary people know.

    • Xunzi Washington

      Are you freaking serious?

      “Why is it so urgent to do so?” The question itself is ridiculous. Spiderman isn’t essentially a white guy. Why is it so urgent for you to insist that he is?

      If you want to change him into a guy who doesn’t fight bad guys, or hates Mary Jane, or who sends Aunt May to a nursing home, I get it. Spider man is a guy with a specific character, not a specific color.

      If you wanted to make a white Blade it would be absolutely fine with me. Just as stupid an issue. Is he still a day walker? Does he still hate vampires?

      The fact that this is an issue at all shows me where you folks are coming from.

      When a cartoon defined by character and life goals gets recast as essentially white, you know what you’re dealing with.

      Lemme guess – you think it’s an essential part of another story that white people inhabited Krypton, right?

    • dafyd

      Carney,
      It must have pissed you of when Disney remade the main characters in the Princess and the Frog, black and Middle Eastern.

    • Duvisited

      Urgent? You know they’ve been telling Spider-Man stories since 1962, yes?

    • gocart mozart

      Next the libtards are gonna turn Jesus into some swarthy Middle-Easterner, amirite Carney?

      • LFC

        Whew! I had just stopped sipping my coffee. That was TOO close. Thx for the laugh.

    • Solo4114

      Alright. I probably shouldn’t, but I’m going to answer this seriously.

      “Why change Spider-Man at all? Why is it so urgent to do this?”

      Sales. Period. First, this “change” is happening in Marvel’s “Ultimates” line, which is basically a separate reality from “traditional” Marvel. The whole point of the comic line is to allow writers to basically come up with any ideas they want and not have to worry about, well, people like Glenn Beck saying “But it’s tradition!!” or worse, when geeks say “But that completely contradicts what happened in Issue #132 where he defeated Mysterio using a time displacement device!”

      Comics, if you didn’t know, regularly do this, by the way. They do big events, kill off major characters, bring them back later, etc. Remember when Superman was killed in the 90s, and then came back with a mullet? Same kind of thing. It’s all just to gin up sales by shaking things up a bit. And, moreover, for anyone worried about good ol’ whitebread Peter Parker being dead…he isn’t. Well, not yet. He’s alive and well in the “main” continuity of Marvel, just not in their “Ultimates” line. Probably more info than you wanted, but there’s your answer to that question.

      “What was lacking or deficient about the white one? What message is being conveyed about a group when it is seen as OK to replace, displace, and co-opt its cultural icons with those from another group? When anyone who expresses any misgivings, unease, offense, or unhappiness about this is viciously demonized and pathologized as a warning to the rest to keep your mouths shut, to hunker down, to put up with it quietly, to avoid career- and respectability-ruining name-calling?”

      Nothing was lacking or deficient except the fact that the old one was old hat. As I said, the whole purpose of the Ultimates line is to allow the creation of wild new stories. Spiderman is half-black, half-latino! Wolverine gets changed into a girl! Captain America is a novelist! Iron Man is trapped in his armor for a whole year! Whatever. They can make it up as they go…all without impacting the main continuity.

      I think it’s a bit premature to claim that ANYONE who expresses misgivings is demonized…but Glenn Beck is a pretty easy target given what else he’s said in his illustrious career. With respect to you specifically, I’d be reluctant to just dismiss you as a racist, given that I don’t know you from Adam (or Spiderman, for that matter). I will, however, pose a rhetorical question — how exactly is this one culture trying to co-opt another? I think this is more a matter of a PUBLISHER in a BUSINESS deciding to try pandering to a particular market segment for a bit (and by the way, I can almost guarantee you they’ll bring Peter Parker back from the dead — see also, the concept of “comic book death”).

      As I said, the two major comic publishers do this all the time. Actually, in some cases, it ends up working out quite well and the characters become well regarded additions to the series. D.C. comics added a black Green Lantern to that title back in the early 70s, and he’s now a beloved character. They didn’t get rid of (well, not permanently) the old Green Lanterns (yes, there are multiple), though.

      “Such a process happening in reverse is beyond taboo, unthinkable. No one even imagined let alone attempted to impose a white “Blade”. That is also revealing.”

      Perhaps. Although if you know anything about comics, you know that comics have traditionally been dominated by white characters. That’s changed plenty in the last 30 years, of course, but the impact would probably be different. Although, in fact, if Marvel’s Ultimates line resurrected Blade as a white guy, I think most people would probably not even know who that is independent of Wesley Snipes. To the extent that anyone claimed it was a move motivated by some underlying racism, that person would probably be given the same treatment as Glenn Beck is here. It’s not racism. It’s business.

      “Comics are modern mythology, tall tales, cultural touchtones and morality teachers. What started with Nick Fury, Kingpin, Heimdall, and others (the Omega Man, etc. etc.) is continuing onward into the big names that ordinary people know.”

      Well, first, I agree that comics are a modern form of mythology and that they can be morality tales as well. But merely because they are morality tales or mythology does not mean that you can’t change the characters. Hell, if Zeus can take the form of a bull in this story and show up as a tree in another, I think comic books can handle a multi-racial Spiderman in an “alternate reality” line.

      You can call it pandering or tokenism if you want, but the bottom line is that Marvel thinks there’s a market for this, or else they wouldn’t bother. Or they figure people won’t care. (Frankly, I didn’t care that the Kingpin was black in the Daredevil film. What bothered me more was that the film was poorly written and poorly acted.)

      What I find interesting, and where I think you see the criticisms come in, is in the supposed nefarious lurking plot to undermine white anglo-saxon culture by slowly turning all our heroes into black people! Good heavens! Can our culture survive?! Here’s a thought: why does it matter what the color of the character’s skin is? I grant you, it’ll induce an eye roll from me when I hear about blatant pandering and tokenism in entertainment media, especially when it’s attached to some obviously-intentional “controversy” which inevitably will drive up ratings/sales, but that’s more just due to the crass nature of the businesses involved and to how silly it strikes me that people would be offended by such a move. What will be more likely to offend me is the reliance on tokenism at the expense of writing a good story. If the story’s good, I don’t care what color a character is.

      • Bagok

        Thanks Solo, nice post

      • Traveler

        Solo4114,

        +2 Thanks for the illuminating perspectives. I swear the commenters here are the only reason I spend as much time here as I do.

    • think4yourself

      Why change Spiderman?

      Um – this is a comic book. Every couple of years the hero get’s killed off. They create a new story line. It’s a soap opera in ink. So change happens. I’ll bet Dick Tracy’s watch is new and improved from 1960 also.

  • Smargalicious

    So, Spidey is now a fatherless illegal, or a fatherless anchor baby??

    Spider-Man the thug. Who woulda thunk.

    • dafyd

      Your a jackass, but I laughed…

    • medinnus

      Right on cue, another Klan message from your Friendly Neighborhood Closet Fag!

      • Smargalicious

        Lighten up, meddy. Life is short.

        • medinnus

          Your racism and bigotry is symbolic of everything wrong about America today; its impossible for a sane person who believes that all men are created equal to treat lightly.

          That said, I think of you and laugh every time I read about more legalization of gay marriage, and how I hope it burns you up inside.

        • Smargalicious

          meddy, all you need is a glance at Sarah or Glenn’s name and you go crazy, like all the other liberals who feel threatened by the same.

          My words hit leftists like a two-by-four to the face. Words they never hear amongst each other as they lead us into an economic and social apocalypse.

          God help us all.

    • gocart mozart

      And I thought you would go with “His penis is bigger.” Oh well.

      • Solo4114

        Ever notice that the same people who get all offended by the “eroding of white culture” or whathaveyou are often the same people decrying the “culture of victimhood”? I guess you really CAN have it both ways.

    • LFC

      I thought Superman was the fatherless illegal. And the only reason he wasn’t an anchor baby was because Krypton blew up (or something … I don’t follow comics).

      Oh, f***! I think I might have just given Smarg a new idea on how to control illegal immigration. Just blow up Mexico.

  • Xunzi Washington

    ^^ My point made above could not be any more clearly made. Thanks!

    (by the way, dumbass, don’t forget that Superman is an illegal immigrant)

    • dafyd

      Thanks XUNZI WASHINGTON, but don’t bother with smarg, it is just trying to piss people off. Don’t fall for its crap.

  • DeathByIrony

    I can’t believe what I’m hearing in the comments section. The willfull ignorance required just to make these arguments…
    Seriously. Spiderman is a marvel property, and Superman is a DC property. You can’t just conflate them so easily.
    Some days I fear for this country.

  • DFL

    That Spiderman is non-white is meaningless. Now James Bond as anyone other than the ultra-ego of the very white and very British(more Scottish than English) Ian Fleming would be cause for grave concern.

  • jjack

    “The white Spiderman is the Jew of liberal fascism.” Or something.

  • Elvis Elvisberg

    In all fairness to Beck, maybe he’s not upset because the new Spider Man is nonwhite.

    Maybe he’s just mad about the miscegenation.

    Miles Morales is half black and half Hispanic. If God wanted the races to mingle, he wouldn’t have separated them to begin with, right Glenn?

  • Chris Balsz

    Sorry, it’s not “us guys” who thought his whiteness was some kind of issue.

    “It was a considered sociopolitical choice to make the new Spider-Man come from a multi-ethnic background, particularly in the more “contemporary” Ultimate Universe, as Marvel’s Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso said in a press release issued Tuesday morning.

    “When the opportunity arose to create a new Spider-Man, we knew it had to be a character that represents the diversity-in background and experience-of the twenty-first century,” said Axel Alonso, Marvel Editor in Chief. “Miles is a character who not only follows in the tradition of relatable characters like Peter Parker, but also shows why he’s a new, unique kind of Spider-Man-and worthy of that name.”

    Superhero comics published by Marvel and its rival DC Comics have come under increased criticism in recent years for failing to create and/or spotlight characters whose genetic or cultural makeups are not just white and male. It would seem that Miles Morales is a direct answer to such concerns, as Ultimate Spider-Man artist Sara Pichelli suggested in her remarks to USA Today.

    “Maybe sooner or later a black or gay – or both – hero will be considered something absolutely normal.”

    Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/02/new-ultimate-spider-man-miles-morales/#ixzz1TzWfPihi

    You’re objecting to the REACTION against the introduction of race consciousness into comics.

  • Chris Balsz

    MARVEL: Mister, wanna buy a comic book?
    GUY: Why would I waste my adult time with a comic book?
    MARVEL: It’s Spiderman!
    GUY: Oh well! Spiderman! I will be amused by this juvenile and convulted imaginary plot, as it will remind me of my emotions as a kid, reading it for the first time and taking it seriously! That is worth my money!
    MARVEL: Great! Only that guy you read about as a kid is dead and defeated. This Spiderman is a racially and sexually diverse totally different character who starts off being very confused about why he’s Spiderman.
    GUY: That’s very confusing and makes me self-conscious about my pleasure in nostalgia. That is not at all worth my money or time.
    MARVEL: You’re a racist.

  • JimBob

    The next Superman will be HIV positive black man from South Africa.

    Why kill Peter Parker. Political correctness gone crazy.

    • Xunzi Washington

      ^^ Typical racism. Marvel wants to cast a black guy as Spidey and we get comments like “next thing we know he’ll have HIV” or “next thing we’ll know he’ll be an anchor baby”.

      Seriously, if you can’t see the problem with such comments, you are very, very far gone.

    • dafyd

      Jimbob,

      Your to ignorant to notice your narrow mindedness.

      Last year I was volunteering at a rehab office and I happened to meet and work with a HIV positive black man (American). He was not a patient there but another volunteer (over 10 years). He was there to help and help he did. He is even considered to be a hero to many past and current patients. All the staff love him and the families of the patients claim he saved many of their loved one lives.
      My point is that you made this hypothetical “HIV positive black man from South Africa” a bad thing while the man who I was honored to meet is a better man than you will ever be. How do I know that? Your Ignorant comment above proves it.

    • gocart mozart

      Political Correctness = Anything that offends JimBob’s delicate sensibilities. Irony just blew its brains out.

    • Smargalicious

      We can thank BHO for dividing the nation like never before, all the while destroying our free market economy and turning it into a socialist quagmire.

      And xunzi, bite me.

      • Xunzi Washington

        Try to keep up, dumb ass. I know it’s hard for you to do, whether by dint of your genetic inheritance or by consequence of your collective life choices.

      • medinnus

        We can blame BHO for luring all you racist bigots out of the closet so you could demonstrate your sub-human stupidity for all the world to see. Thank you for giving him the victory in 2012 by your inhumanity )

    • dennis

      JimBob, you really need to quit watching YoMTV Cribs.

    • greg_barton

      Why put question marks at the end of a question.

  • Xunzi Washington

    Balsz –

    So freaking what? Their point being: there’s no essential whiteness to the Spiderman character, so let’s give the cartoon a spin as black or latino or whatever. The point being: Spiderman is a character with a life goal, not a color. They aren’t objecting to the fact that Spiderman can be white. They are arguing for allowing for other races to give the role a spin.

    The argument against this seems to be that you can’t do this, because Spiderman is white “as a part of tradition”.

    Not the same thing, Kemosabe. If you think the above argument is an injection of “race consciousness” as opposed to “Spiderman is a white guy and that’s our tradition” then you are on Krypton yourself.

    • Chris Balsz

      I think their point is that there is no actual IDENTITY to the Spiderman intellectual property, so, why not spend some money imagining it’s somebody totally other than Peter Parker, a defined personality who interacted with other defined personalities. The argument against this is that Spiderman has had a defined personhood, Peter Parker. If Clark Kent put on the outfit he would not become “Spiderman”. If they draw “Mary Jane” as Wilson Fisk with makeup, that would also annoy me, and it would be a racially neutral change that offended the Identity of the character. It hints at desperate marketing to cover a lack of creativity. Spiderman exists because Stan Lee took risks. Spiderman is being remade because his successors won’t take those risks.

      I think it is historical fact that the comic handlers who worried about “diversity” are the ones interjecting “race consciousness” into the comic.

      Also, if Green Goblin couldn’t take Peter Parker while he was mourning Gwen Stacey, claiming he could drop him EVER is just stupid. It’s like imagining Batman’s dad never died and could take Batman with a pistol.

      • Xunzi Washington

        That’s horseshit, and you well know it.

        The comments from Carney, JimBoob and Smarg – as well as Beck, and I can just imagine what his callers said – show this is not a quirky abstract philosophical issue about how tied to a person’s identity their historical properties are.

        They see this as an attack on their white culture (“next thing you know he’ll have HIV” and “next thing you know he’ll be an anchor baby”). They insist that Spiderman is WHITE, dammit, and to assert otherwise is to aggressively want to insert a colonialist “race consciousness” into their lives. It’s a side show carnival version of the “I want my country back” meme. Black Spidey is not part of their country.

        We can go on all day about how necessary it is that a fictional character have this or that historical property. As an intellectual enterprise, it’s an interesting question played out on many forums about any of the endless “re-invisioned” sci-fi, horror and fantasy shows and series on TV and in the movies that tweak characters and story lines to give them twists.

        However in this case, that’s not what’s going on. These idiots are pissing and moaning that “the black” is once again failing to remain in his place. I have no idea what _your_ issue is with it (philosophical or racial); however if you deny that the racial issue is really what’s going on with “those guys” then you’re not really worth having this conversation with.

        • Chris Balsz

          “Attempting to reach a different audience with an American myth is not political correctness. They are not suggesting that Spiderman should not have been white, or that there’s anything offensive in the fact that he was portrayed as white, nor are they suggesting that no future Spiderman comic/movie/whatever use a white guy as the character. They are suggesting that there’s no reason why they can’t in their version use other races to diversify the myth to reach different Americans.”

          I think this sentence is denigrating to whites:

          ““When the opportunity arose to create a new Spider-Man, we knew it had to be a character that represents the diversity-in background and experience-of the twenty-first century,” said Axel Alonso, Marvel Editor in Chief.”

          Because unless you believe in reincarnation, no individual represents more than one experience.

          “I have no idea what _your_ issue is with it (philosophical or racial); however if you deny that the racial issue is really what’s going on with “those guys” then you’re not really worth having this conversation with.”

          Nice. NOT “if you’re not talking about what I’m talking about, we’re not really disagreeing” its “If you’re not talking about what I’m talking about, then you’re a worthless piece of shit.” I guess that’s part of that 21st century background. Or maybe it’s the experience.

          Primrose says this is reimagining myth. If the element of “character” is not that important to “Spiderman” then it’s not good enough to call “myth”.

        • Xunzi Washington

          Balsz,

          You are starting to sound sad.

          The claim that they wanted to integrate in “diversity-in background and experience-of the twenty-first century” is insulting to whites? Are you shitting me? Sometimes when you say this sort of stuff I’m not sure if you are putting on, or if you are really being earnest. If a multi-cultural and racial 21st century America is insulting to whites, well, GB is back on the radio. Go tune in.

          You said: “I guess that’s part of that 21st century background. Or maybe it’s the experience.”

          I said if you deny what THOSE folks were saying was racist – and that this racist narrative doesn’t constitute the bulk of the objection here, and not some abstract thesis about historical properties — THEN you are not worth arguing with. Why? Because in that case you either (a) believe that racist JimBob/Smarg/Beck crap, or (b) you are stupid, or (c) you are being disingenuous because you think that’s your role here.

          My guess is (c), but that’s just a hunch.

      • medinnus

        And yet, if it was some other white guy, you’d be as silent as the tomb.

        • Chris Balsz

          I compared the stupidity of this to the stupidity of having Bruce Wayne’s dad come back and kill Bruce Wayne. I’ll also say, killing Steve Rogers was stupid, and that new Aquaman is stupid, and that whole New Krypton bit was stupid. And for the same reasons.

  • jjv

    These radioactive spiders will bite anyone nowadays.

  • Oldskool

    I’d like to see a brighter Glenn Beck but you can’t always get what you want.

  • blueshark

    Whatever. Just don’t tell Beck (or the local trolls) about the Black Madonna of Prague

  • Primrose

    Ok. First They killed Peter Parker because they’ve been doing that story line for long time and needed to refresh, so somebody had to be the new one.

    So what’s wrong with having a Spiderman that reflects the kids who would be buying the comic books an graphic novels today? I think it actually has more to do with market forces than “political correctness”.

    But why is the presence of an African-American in an American myth motivated by politically correctness and not art? African-Americans have been on American soil since Jamestown possibly Croatan. Their culture is the culture that defines the South—white and black. And we must be honest; Latino culture has been here just as long or longer.

    Nor do I understand why you can’t relate to your fellow American who are not white? Why must they remain culturally invisible for you to feel you are living in the same country?

    Of course they will change characters in comics, update to reflect the times and current thoughts, not because they aren’t myths but because they are. Myths are ancient narrative structures upon which we throw current problems. That’s why they change. That’s why classic characters have so many different variations.

    To deny the right of change to a myth is to kill it.

    • gocart mozart

      People throw around the P.C. canard when they are too lazy to think up even a stupid argument. Its another way of making fart noises with your armpits.

  • Graychin

    Along with Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck is nothing more than a media clown who richly deserves obscurity.

    At this point, highlighting their insane drivel accomplishes nothing. Everyone knows they’re nuts – except their fellow nutjobs.

    • Smargalicious

      Yeah, but you liberals hate them so much that when you see their name your collective heads explode. It’s fun to watch. :D

      • medinnus

        Much more fun watching your racist fellow travelers go ballistic that the people of this country elected a black man as President; clearly, that trumps anything Palin evokes from the Liberals.

        You, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin… you all make me ashamed to be a Conservative.

        • Smargalicious

          You’re not a conservative, meddy. You’re a sellout, kinda like the serial sexual predator Arnold.

          Go to bed tonight knowing that someone actually called you out and properly labeled you.

        • medinnus

          Oh? *grins* Touch a nerve, did I?

          “Go to bed tonight knowing that someone actually called you out and properly labeled you.”

          Be consistent, dickweed. I’m a RINO – sellouts get paid. I am happy to be grouped with Arnold and President Reagan (ignore the myth you tinfoil hat dweebs promulgate, and read some history for a change).

          That said, your words might mean something if I had any human regard for your opinions, but your history here means that I’d place a higher regard on a goat farting… oh wait, that IS you talking.

          As for Conservative… whose the Conservative here?

          I believe that the Federal government should stay the hell out of personal lives, and that all Americans should have equal protection and benefits under the law. You, on the other hand, are a racist gay-bashing shithead who thinks only white citizens count.

          I believe in small government and the role of the executive branch as defined by the Constitution, not the expanded, usurped powers of the “Imperial Presidency”, expanded by your butt-buddy GWB, and expanded by his accomplice for war crimes, Barack Obama. You’re the kind of idiot who pays lip service (and we all know where) to small government while whining about how trillions for unfunded testosterone-compensatory wars to kill Muslims isn’t enough.

          I believe in term limits and strict disclosure and contribution limits for politicians, especially from Wall Street; you don’t seem to see a problem with our politicians being owned.

          I believe that the government erosion of privacy, liberty, and equal justice under the law are critical issues – you don’t give a flying fuck so long as they torture Muslims.

          I follow along with the teachings of Christ, although I don’t identify as a Christian. You identify as a Christian, but would throw the poor under a Hum-Vee. Go read the Book of Mathew. Pay attention to the words of Christ, and try not to burn out your brain cells figuring out what they mean – clearly, you haven’t comprehended that yet.

          You are the Conservatism of hypocracy, hatred, and bigotry – as old as when Popes executed Christians and pagans alike, saying “Kill them all, God will know his Own.” You are a medieval peasant in a redneck wifebeater. Twenty years from now you’ll be in a museum next to the neanderthal and the nazi.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    To our resident morons, Jimboob, Balsz, etc. This might relieve your ever so hurt feewings, since you are too damn dumb to know what it all means:

    Specifically, the publisher confirmed the identity of the new Spider-Man of the Ultimate Comics Universe, which takes place in a continuity separate from that shared by the bulk of Marvel’s line,

    In other words, this is an alternate universe type deal. Peter Parker will still be alive and well in the other Marvel universe.

    Seriously, you and Beck are complete idiots to not know this is nothing more than a way to hook in some extra money. The fact that Balsz had to create this whole strawman argument shows how truly loopy he is.

    I repeat, Peter Parker is not being killed off (and even if he were as has happened dozens of times he will come back to life with the big secret that he was not really killed he was a. replaced by an alien clone…b. it was an elaborate plot to snare the bad guy…c. etc.)

    • Chris Balsz

      “But why is the presence of an African-American in an American myth motivated by politically correctness and not art?”

      In this instance, because the authors said that is the reason behind the switch.

      “Nor do I understand why you can’t relate to your fellow American who are not white? Why must they remain culturally invisible for you to feel you are living in the same country? ”

      HOLD IT, are you saying a myth becomes authentically black because you put black skin on a white character?

      “Seriously, you and Beck are complete idiots to not know this is nothing more than a way to hook in some extra money. ”

      Seriously, you should read more than two sentences of a paragraph.

      • Xunzi Washington

        Attempting to reach a different audience with an American myth is not political correctness. They are not suggesting that Spiderman should not have been white, or that there’s anything offensive in the fact that he was portrayed as white, nor are they suggesting that no future Spiderman comic/movie/whatever use a white guy as the character. They are suggesting that there’s no reason why they can’t in their version use other races to diversify the myth to reach different Americans.

        If that’s political correctness, then the phrase is so ridiculously broad it has no meaning any longer. At some point you folks get tiresome in your fervor to obscure what is perfectly innocuous and make it insidious.

        Remember JimBob and Smarg, who think creating a black Spiderman is the next step to an HIV positive Spiderman, or an anchor baby Spiderman. Why do you think they chose THOSE descriptions as “next in line”? Simply because they are opposed to altering some of the historical properties of a character?

        Listen to yourself.

        • Chris Balsz

          “Why do you think they chose THOSE descriptions as “next in line”? ”

          It would complete the list of “Marginalized minorities who complain the GOP doesn’t like them”

        • Xunzi Washington

          Oh geez, Balsz.

          I’m sorry if that’s the best sorry ass response you can come up with.

  • 1smartamericansailor

    I started reading the comments and then stopped because ppl are dumb. Let’s not forget that The Green Lantern was black in the comics but white in the movie. Is that ‘politically correct’? Boy oh boy, or should I say good ol’ boys? It’s embarrassing, really it is, how far racists will go to prove that they’re not racist, they’re just ‘traditional’ or ‘American’. Good old fashioned racism. Doesn’t get more American than that huh? Lame. So, so lame.

    • Mike Crichton

      Your first introduction to the DC Universe was the animated cartoon, wasn’t it? John Stewart was NOT the original Green lantern in the comics, he was instead one of the first of the “Affirmative Action Legacy Characters”, back in the 70s before it became a cliche. it helps that he was actually a well-rounded character in his own right, and not just a black clone of the previous character. That’s why only complete racist idiots complained when he was chosen to be the GL in the cartoon, rather than Hal Jordan.

  • Bagok

    Isn’t this just the free market at work? An aging white population who no longer reads comic books is being replaced with a more multi-cultural youth? Of course Marvel is going to go after a stronger market segment. Why does Glen Beck hate capitalism?

  • LFC

    Primrose said… So what’s wrong with having a Spiderman that reflects the kids who would be buying the comic books an graphic novels today? I think it actually has more to do with market forces than “political correctness”.

    But that’s the scary part to these self-annointed “real Americans.” Market forces are trying to attract dollars from non-white people or {GASP!} white people who think that somebody of mixed race like this could be cool. To them, living in a time when not everybody wants to be white, whites have fewer special advantages, and popular culture is often dominated by non-whites is simply a world gone mad.

    Now if they made Spiderman a fundamentalist Christian, that WOULD scare the s*** out of me!

  • MBunge

    I think a better point is…why should a minority character have to accept the hand-me-down alter ego of some white dude? Why not replace BOTH Peter Parker and Spider-Man with a new character and a new super-hero?

    Mike

    • Xunzi Washington

      Easy reason: because already existing characters sell. New ones are risks.

      Ask any studio why (a) re-imagining every old movie/series/comic and (b) making endless sequels and prequels are so popular.

      It’s called $$$.

  • lizerdmonk

    Get use to it America is turning browner by the minute and there not much anyone can do a about it and maybe soon it will also start to turn Asian. How does it feel to be the minority?

    • jakester

      Which is all being facilitated by people who are deliberately flouting and undermining our immigration laws so they can turn the USA into another corrupt Latin American cesspool country

  • Chris Balsz

    Next I’ll hear that I can’t understand because my grandfather was never beaten for being non-white.

    Which is false. They tried to beat him for being Mexican, but back then, schools in Mexican neighborhoods taught boxing.

    • LFC

      Can’t? Definitely not. Won’t. Weeellllll…

      I grew up in a very mixed town, but I learned a whole lot more when I married a woman who was black (well, majority black since she’s mixed race). For one thing, I learned from one of her family members in law enforcement that DWB (driving while black) is an actual term used in police departments, though not officially of course, and that he had been pulled over several times while off duty because he looked “suspicious”.

      There’s a whole world of experiences out there that I suspect you know little about, or even care to acknowledge.

  • LFC

    Glenn Beck Wants A Whiter Spider-Man

    I think Glenn Beck should create his own superhero character. He can call him “Whiterman”.

    • MSheridan

      The next thing you know, they’ll replace Bibleman with his sidekick Cypher. Is nothing SACRED???

      /snark

  • paul_gs

    I have no problems with Spidey’s new ethnicities, but why does he look exactly like Tiger Woods?

    • Mike Crichton

      Because Mark Bagley has an extremely limited range of faces that he can draw, and that’s one of them. He’s still better than Stuart Immonen, though.

  • Primrose

    I don’t know if anyone noticed and it was too late to modify, but if you did yes not Croatan that was the mysterious word of the lost colony, a mind slip. But the idea stands, that African-Americans have been here since European Americans.

    • Traveler

      Yeah, I wondered about that myself. Figured it must have been some Lenni-Lenape colony up the Delaware…..

  • jakester

    What about a Jewish superhero, why does it have to be a beaner or schwoogie these days?

    • lightupmyroom

      Superman is the story of the Jewish immigrant. So cool off the language, buddy.

    • zephae

      So what you’re saying is The Hebrew Hammer needs a sequel.

    • Solo4114

      There are some already.

      The Thing (from Fantastic Four)
      Sandman (DC Golden Age)
      Ragman
      Magneto (was a good-guy in the 1980s)
      the current Batwoman (who, by the way, is a lesbian too)
      Iceman
      Doc Samson (from the Hulk comics)
      Kitty Pride (a.k.a. Shadowcat)

      etc.

  • hisgirlfriday

    So was Michelle responsible for the new gay highschooler character in the Archie comics too or does the First Lady just have sway over Marvel Comics decisions?

  • PatrickQuint

    Adding a new race to an alternate Spiderman character doesn’t bug me. It would be insulting to for that character to be a stereotype, mind you. “It’s Spiderman, except not white this time!” [insert jazzhands]

    Marvel seems to think that Miles Moranes isn’t good enough as a character to have a super-name of his own, and instead has to use the hand-me-down super-name of a white guy. I’m not impressed by the more subtle racism implied there. That’s is at least patronizing racism rather than overtly hostile racism (hardly a new or rare phenomenon).

    The slight is minor enough from my perspective that I was more displeased by the change to Parallax for the Green Lantern movie. The Parallax creature in the comics looks lame, to be sure, but an incarnation of fear should look more threatening than the Electric Smoketopus. I’m not even a Green Lantern fan, but that move strikes me as a bad call.

    It’s instructive that this sort of thing doesn’t come up when you simply have new non-white characters introduced, only when it *feels* like a character is being replaced by another for the sake of racial politics. This strongly indicates that Beck’s problem isn’t with minorities in pop culture, but what he sees as a cultural inferiority complex that he thinks is harmful rather than constructive. So, while I find Beck’s rage unwarranted, I don’t think it’s evil.

    • Kevin B

      Marvel seems to think that Miles Moranes isn’t good enough as a character to have a super-name of his own, and instead has to use the hand-me-down super-name of a white guy. I’m not impressed by the more subtle racism implied there.

      I’m not impressed by it either. It’s racism so subtle, I’m inclined to think it might not even exist.

  • the lee

    I own a small business that sells video game systems and I’ve significantly altered my adwords strategy and product offerings because more and more of my customers have last names like Espinoza, Rodriguez, Santos, etc. I imagine that Marvel Comics is doing the same thing. It’s no secret that children with Latin-American/mixed heritage are growing at a fast clip.

    Capitalism means the guy who changes with the times makes the money and everyone else can hit the bricks. Beck is welcome to make the convoluted, conspiratorial case that somehow Michelle Obama and sugar-free gum are jointly responsible for Marvel’s editorial practices and the disappearance of Amelia Earhart.

    Another possible explanation is that Marvel wants to make more money and they think they can make more money by replacing Peter Parker with Miles Morales. Considering they just made a bazillion dollars with Thor, Captain-America, X-Men: First Class, Iron Man 1 & 2, and are one of the most readily recognizable brands in the free world, I’d say there is a good chance they’re right. They’ve done a pretty good job so far.

    I’ve done something similar with my business. I use people of mixed-racial backgrounds in my marketing and subtly try to appeal to as broad a racial base of customers as possible. Why? It has nothing to do with Michelle Obama, it’s because I really like money and a good way to get money is to have faces plastered on your business that look like the faces of your customers. I want everyone’s money so as much as I can, I put everyone’s face on my business.

  • the lee

    “What about a Jewish superhero, why does it have to be a beaner or schwoogie these days?”

    The Thing of the Fantastic Four is Jewish as is Shadowcat of the X-Men.

    -Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood comic nerd

  • Nanotek

    “Glenn Beck Wants A Whiter Spider-Man”

    did he cry again? talk about conservative correctness run amuck

    I almost feel sorry for sane conservatives getting tainted by this kind of insanity

  • dansmith17

    this is nothing new Marvel want to make money and if there are more Black and Brown kids they will produce more characters that look like that, but it is hardly new.

    The original X-Men in the 1960′s were 5 white, College kids from well off or very well off backgrounds, when they were cancelled and re-invented in the 1980′s they deliberately had a multinational spread presumably to help market the comics beyond the US. Wolverine was Canadian, (and hardly the clean cut college kid), Storm was Egyptian and had lot her family in an Israeli Air Raid, Nightcrawler was German (and Blue!), Colossus was Russian (and this is the hight of the Cold War), I forget the others but there may not have been a white Middle class US citizen between them!

  • the lee

    Well said dansmith17!

    Marvel Comics is a business. If they make money, they get to keep their jobs. If they lose money, they don’t get to keep their jobs. They try really hard to make money.

    Here is my convoluted theory. *sarcasm….on

    Has anyone considered the possibility that Glenn Beck is so devoid of racial animus that he doesn’t realize that changing a fictional character’s racial makeup might cause Marvel Comics to gain readership in said racial group?

    You have to be a little racist to understand that it’s human nature to prefer people that look like yourself.

    *sarcasm….off

    Another explanation may be that it is scary being a white guy in a world that is getting browner and Spider-Man is yet another thing that is changing that he’d prefer remain the same.

  • Rob_654

    Now if only the new Spiderman was also Muslim, that might just send Beck and the rest of the folks like him even further off the rails.

  • labman57

    Remember, when our comic book super-heroes go ethnic, the terrorists have won.

  • tom78212

    Beck is just another magic panties wearing kook. I can’t believe people actually pay any attention to his blathering.

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