Gingrich Was Right About Ryan Plan

June 24th, 2011 at 11:41 am | 11 Comments |

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Americans want the deficit reduced, but they aren’t so keen on Paul Ryan’s medicare plan. A new Bloomberg Poll finds that Americans by a 57 percent to 34 percent margin say that they will be individually worse off if Paul Ryan’s Medicare Plan became the law.

The poll reveals trends that pose particular problems for GOP presidential candidates. On one hand, voters consistently say they want the deficit addressed. However the poll also show that 58 percent of independent voters said they would be worse off under the Ryan Plan.

This is a very serious problem: the Ryan budget plan specifically lays out a way to draw down the nation’s debt. But if the elderly and large numbers of independents both oppose the plan strongly, supporting the Ryan plan could singlehandedly drive a candidate out of contention.

What is perhaps most ironic about the results of this poll is that it shows that Newt Gingrich was right about the Ryan plan.

If you remember, Gingrich took heat for his Meet the Press statement, “What you want to have is a system where people voluntarily migrate to better outcomes, better solutions, better options, not one where you suddenly impose it. I am against Obamacare imposing radical change, and I would be against a conservative imposing radical change.”

Gingrich was compelled to apologize. But it turns out Gingrich hit the nail right on the head: Americans do think Ryan’s plan is radical.

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11 Comments so far ↓

  • ottovbvs

    This is a surprise? And I suspect when push comes to shove that it’s only tribalism that’s making many of the 34% say they’d be better off. The Dems are going to make the Republicans fight the 2012 congressional elections on a platform of:

    END MEDICARE – VOTE REPUBLICAN

    They should.

    • Banty

      I’ve noticed that about a third poll for the ‘tea party’ position on any number of questions, especially lately. I think we can pretty much state that 1/3 of the country will go the FoxNews-Tea Party way in voting and stated positions, and no more. This segment are resistant to persuasion, but never will make a majority voting bloc.

  • Watusie

    “the Ryan budget plan specifically lays out a way to draw down the nation’s debt.”

    Only in the sense that buying lottery tickets could be considered a retirement plan.

    The Ryan Plan is complete economic fantasy. Even without all the kerfuffle over swapping Medicare for some crappy vouchers, it totally blows and could not actually work under even the rosiest of scenarios.

  • Saladdin

    “the Ryan budget plan specifically lays out a way to draw down the nation’s debt.”

    It may behoove the GOP to concentrate on things other than the above as people are worried about deficits, but are not willing to give up their earned credits… Same goes for the debt ceiling vote. How many GOP seniors would want the GOP to vote for default if they knew it meant not getting SS checks in full? Or if state or local govt offices closed on Mon, Fri and only open 8-3 Tue-Thur?

  • Solo4114

    Seems pretty simple to me.

    1.) Voters say they care about the deficit.

    Ok, fine.

    2.) Voters say they do not want the Ryan plan.

    Alrighty, then.

    3.) Some +70% of voters say they favor tax increases on the wealthy.

    Hmm….I wonder what solution would find the most favor for reducing deficits?

  • Jim in DE

    Not to get too literal, but saying you would be worse off doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing as saying you don’t support it. For instance, if a new bill increased my income taxes slightly, reduced my eventual Social Security monthly allotment slightly, and increased (slightly) the premiums my generation would pay for Medicare, I would have to honestly say that it would make me worse off individually … but I might still support it. (Shared sacrifice and all that. )

    Not that I necessarily think that that’s what’s going on here … there ain’t much “slightly” about the Ryan plan.

    • ottovbvs

      Not to get too literal, but saying you would be worse off doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing as saying you don’t support it.

      You think most of the respondents to these polls have masters in English and Logic then?

  • andydp

    Jeb: You left out the “Right wind radical social engineering” part. An “unconvenient” truth.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    I wonder what the actual numbers of people who will be worse off under the Ryan plan. I know the very rich and those like Ryan who get government paid for fully funded health care plans like Ryan will be better off. I imagine it is probably 90% who will be individually worse off, but I really don’t know the numbers.
    And it doesn’t lower the debt. It shifts health care costs onto Seniors and then reduces taxes for the wealthy.

    And yeah, Gingrich was right. A very modified Ryan plan, one that doesn’t cut taxes for the wealthy and one that was voluntary I could support. I don’t see many old people being so dumb as to take it but if they want to then I am fine with it.

  • Joe In NH

    The Ryan plan will bring down the debt???? Last time I looked at it, even if the nonsense about historically low unemployment rates actually happened, it did not result in getting rid of the debt. Basically the Ryan plan takes from the poor and elderly (and the elderly NOW with reductions in medicaid which pays for much of the nursing home care in this country)and gives to the rich. To reduce the top tax rate and be revenue neutral, ie, not increase or decrease the amount of taxes collected, has to mean higher taxes for the rest of us.

  • Graychin

    Of course Gingrich was right. That’s why he caught so much hell for saying what he did.

    Telling the truth won’t win you many Republican friends. I’m sure David Frum will concur.