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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God and Guns

The only healthy way to fly.

By Mark Steyn

Our lesson today comes from the songwriter Frank Loesser: “Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition.”

Or as Barack Obama and his San Francisco pals would put it: God and guns. Loesser got the phrase from Howell Forgy, a naval chaplain at Pearl Harbor, who walked the decks of the New Orleans under Japanese bombardment exhorting his comrades. When the line came to Loesser’s ears, he turned it into a big hit song of the Second World War:
Praise the Lord and swing into position
Can’t afford to sit around a-wishin’…

— which some folks sang as “Can’t afford to be a politician.” Indeed. Senator Obama’s remarks about poor dumb bitter rural losers “clinging to” guns and God certainly testify to the instinctive snobbery of a big segment of the political class. But we shouldn’t let it go by merely deploring coastal condescension toward the knuckledraggers. No, what Michelle Malkin calls Crackerquiddick (quite rightly — it’s more than just another dreary “-gate”) is not just snobbish nor even merely wrongheaded. It’s an attack on two of the critical advantages the U.S. holds over most of the rest of the western world. In the other G7 developed nations, nobody clings to God’n’guns. The guns got taken away, and the Europeans gave up on churchgoing once they embraced Big Government as the new religion.

How’s that working out? Compared to America, France and Germany have been more or less economically stagnant for the last quarter-century, living permanently with unemployment rates significantly higher than the U.S.

Has it made them any less “bitter,” as Obama characterizes those Pennsylvanian crackers? No. In my book America Alone, just out in paperback and available in all good bookstores — you’ll find it in Borders propping up the wonky rear leg of the display table for the smash new CD Michelle Obama And The San Francisco Macchiato Chorus Sing “I Pinned My Pink Slip To The Gun Rack Of My Pick-Up”, “My Dog Done Died, My Wife Jus’ Left Me, And Michael Dukakis Is Strangely Reluctant To Run Again”, Plus “I Swung By The Economic Development Zone Business Park But The Only Two Occupied Rental Units Were Both Evangelical Churches” And Other Embittered Appalachian Favorites …

Where was I? Oh, yes. In my book America Alone, I note a global survey on optimism: 61 per cent of Americans were optimistic about the future, 29 per cent of the French, 15 per cent of Germans. Take it from a foreigner: In my experience, Americans are the least “bitter” people in the developed world. Secular gun-free big-government Europe doesn’t seem to have done anything for people’s happiness. Consider by way of example the words of Keith Reade. He’s not an Obama speechwriter, he’s a writer for the London Daily Mirror. And the day after the 2004 presidential election he expressed his frustration in an alarmingly Obamaesque way:

Were I a Kerry voter, though, I’d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin’, military-lovin’, sister-marryin’, abortion-hatin’, gay-loathin’, foreigner-despisin’, non-passport ownin’ red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*** in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land “free and strong.”

Well, that’s certainly why I supported Bush, but I’m not sure it entirely accounts for the other 62,039,073 incontinent rednecks. Mr Reade, though, does usefully enumerate some of the distinctive features that separate America from the rest of the west. “Self-righteous”? If you want a public culture that reeks of indestructible faith in its own righteousness, try Europe — especially when they’re talking about America: If you disagree with Eutopian wisdom, you must be an idiot. Obama and far too many Democrats have bought into this delusion, most thoroughly distilled in Thomas Frank’s book What’s The Matter With Kansas?, whose argument is that heartland voters are too dumb (i.e., “moronic muppets”) to vote for their own best interests.

Europeans did “vote for their own best interests” — i.e., cradle-to-grave welfare, 35 hour work-weeks, six weeks of paid vacation, etc — and as a result they now face a perfect storm of unsustainable entitlements, economic stagnation, and declining human capital that’s left them so demographically beholden to unassimilable levels of immigration that they’re being remorselessly Islamized with every passing day. We should thank God (if you’ll forgive the expression) that America’s loser gun-nuts don’t share the same sophisticated rational calculation of “their best interests” as Thomas Frank, Obama, too many Democrats and the European political establishment.

As for “gun-totin’,” large numbers of Americans tote guns because they’re assertive, self-reliant citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. The Second Amendment is philosophically consistent with the First Amendment, for which I’ve become more grateful since the Canadian Islamic Congress decided to sue me for “hate speech” up north. Both amendments embody the American view that liberty is not the gift of the state, and its defense cannot be outsourced exclusively to the government.

I think a healthy society needs both God and guns: it benefits from a belief in some kind of higher purpose to life on earth, and it requires a self-reliant citizenry. If you lack either of those twin props, you wind up with today’s Europe — a present-tense Eutopia mired in fatalism. A while back, I was struck by the words of Oscar van den Boogaard, a Dutch gay humanist (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool). Reflecting on the Continent’s accelerating Islamification, he concluded that the jig was up for the Europe he loved, but what could he do? “I am not a warrior, but who is?” he shrugged. “I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.”

Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. If you don’t understand that there are times when you’ll have to fight for it, you won’t enjoy it for long. That’s what a lot of Keith Reade’s laundry list — “gun-totin’,” “military-lovin’” — boils down to. As for “gay-loathin,’” it’s Oscar van den Boogaard’s famously tolerant Amsterdam where gay-bashing is resurgent: the editor of the American gay paper the Washington Blade got beaten up in the streets on his last visit to the Netherlands.

God and guns. Maybe one day a viable society will find a magic cure-all that can do without both, but Big Government isn’t it. And even complacent liberal Democrats ought to be able to cast an eye across the ocean and see that. But then he did give the speech in San Francisco, a city demographically declining at a rate that qualifies it for EU membership. When it comes to parochial simpletons, you don’t need to go to Kansas.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2RjNzdlMjczZmU0MDdiZDVhMzY0ZmFiZTRlZDJjZDc=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God and Guns</p>
<p>The only healthy way to fly.</p>
<p>By Mark Steyn</p>
<p>Our lesson today comes from the songwriter Frank Loesser: “Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition.”</p>
<p>Or as Barack Obama and his San Francisco pals would put it: God and guns. Loesser got the phrase from Howell Forgy, a naval chaplain at Pearl Harbor, who walked the decks of the New Orleans under Japanese bombardment exhorting his comrades. When the line came to Loesser’s ears, he turned it into a big hit song of the Second World War:<br />
Praise the Lord and swing into position<br />
Can’t afford to sit around a-wishin’…</p>
<p>— which some folks sang as “Can’t afford to be a politician.” Indeed. Senator Obama’s remarks about poor dumb bitter rural losers “clinging to” guns and God certainly testify to the instinctive snobbery of a big segment of the political class. But we shouldn’t let it go by merely deploring coastal condescension toward the knuckledraggers. No, what Michelle Malkin calls Crackerquiddick (quite rightly — it’s more than just another dreary “-gate”) is not just snobbish nor even merely wrongheaded. It’s an attack on two of the critical advantages the U.S. holds over most of the rest of the western world. In the other G7 developed nations, nobody clings to God’n’guns. The guns got taken away, and the Europeans gave up on churchgoing once they embraced Big Government as the new religion.</p>
<p>How’s that working out? Compared to America, France and Germany have been more or less economically stagnant for the last quarter-century, living permanently with unemployment rates significantly higher than the U.S.</p>
<p>Has it made them any less “bitter,” as Obama characterizes those Pennsylvanian crackers? No. In my book America Alone, just out in paperback and available in all good bookstores — you’ll find it in Borders propping up the wonky rear leg of the display table for the smash new CD Michelle Obama And The San Francisco Macchiato Chorus Sing “I Pinned My Pink Slip To The Gun Rack Of My Pick-Up”, “My Dog Done Died, My Wife Jus’ Left Me, And Michael Dukakis Is Strangely Reluctant To Run Again”, Plus “I Swung By The Economic Development Zone Business Park But The Only Two Occupied Rental Units Were Both Evangelical Churches” And Other Embittered Appalachian Favorites …</p>
<p>Where was I? Oh, yes. In my book America Alone, I note a global survey on optimism: 61 per cent of Americans were optimistic about the future, 29 per cent of the French, 15 per cent of Germans. Take it from a foreigner: In my experience, Americans are the least “bitter” people in the developed world. Secular gun-free big-government Europe doesn’t seem to have done anything for people’s happiness. Consider by way of example the words of Keith Reade. He’s not an Obama speechwriter, he’s a writer for the London Daily Mirror. And the day after the 2004 presidential election he expressed his frustration in an alarmingly Obamaesque way:</p>
<p>Were I a Kerry voter, though, I’d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin’, military-lovin’, sister-marryin’, abortion-hatin’, gay-loathin’, foreigner-despisin’, non-passport ownin’ red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*** in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land “free and strong.”</p>
<p>Well, that’s certainly why I supported Bush, but I’m not sure it entirely accounts for the other 62,039,073 incontinent rednecks. Mr Reade, though, does usefully enumerate some of the distinctive features that separate America from the rest of the west. “Self-righteous”? If you want a public culture that reeks of indestructible faith in its own righteousness, try Europe — especially when they’re talking about America: If you disagree with Eutopian wisdom, you must be an idiot. Obama and far too many Democrats have bought into this delusion, most thoroughly distilled in Thomas Frank’s book What’s The Matter With Kansas?, whose argument is that heartland voters are too dumb (i.e., “moronic muppets”) to vote for their own best interests.</p>
<p>Europeans did “vote for their own best interests” — i.e., cradle-to-grave welfare, 35 hour work-weeks, six weeks of paid vacation, etc — and as a result they now face a perfect storm of unsustainable entitlements, economic stagnation, and declining human capital that’s left them so demographically beholden to unassimilable levels of immigration that they’re being remorselessly Islamized with every passing day. We should thank God (if you’ll forgive the expression) that America’s loser gun-nuts don’t share the same sophisticated rational calculation of “their best interests” as Thomas Frank, Obama, too many Democrats and the European political establishment.</p>
<p>As for “gun-totin’,” large numbers of Americans tote guns because they’re assertive, self-reliant citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. The Second Amendment is philosophically consistent with the First Amendment, for which I’ve become more grateful since the Canadian Islamic Congress decided to sue me for “hate speech” up north. Both amendments embody the American view that liberty is not the gift of the state, and its defense cannot be outsourced exclusively to the government.</p>
<p>I think a healthy society needs both God and guns: it benefits from a belief in some kind of higher purpose to life on earth, and it requires a self-reliant citizenry. If you lack either of those twin props, you wind up with today’s Europe — a present-tense Eutopia mired in fatalism. A while back, I was struck by the words of Oscar van den Boogaard, a Dutch gay humanist (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool). Reflecting on the Continent’s accelerating Islamification, he concluded that the jig was up for the Europe he loved, but what could he do? “I am not a warrior, but who is?” he shrugged. “I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.”</p>
<p>Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. If you don’t understand that there are times when you’ll have to fight for it, you won’t enjoy it for long. That’s what a lot of Keith Reade’s laundry list — “gun-totin’,” “military-lovin’” — boils down to. As for “gay-loathin,’” it’s Oscar van den Boogaard’s famously tolerant Amsterdam where gay-bashing is resurgent: the editor of the American gay paper the Washington Blade got beaten up in the streets on his last visit to the Netherlands.</p>
<p>God and guns. Maybe one day a viable society will find a magic cure-all that can do without both, but Big Government isn’t it. And even complacent liberal Democrats ought to be able to cast an eye across the ocean and see that. But then he did give the speech in San Francisco, a city demographically declining at a rate that qualifies it for EU membership. When it comes to parochial simpletons, you don’t need to go to Kansas.</p>
<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2RjNzdlMjczZmU0MDdiZDVhMzY0ZmFiZTRlZDJjZDc=" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2RjNzdlMjczZmU0MDdiZDVhMzY0ZmFiZTRlZDJjZDc=</a></p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;My only motive would be that the element of the GOP that is supportive of a Palin or Palin type ticket is one that would be wisely supressed. It’s not a winning strategy or majority.&lt;/b&gt;

Moreover, it should scare the hell out of anyone in the Republican Party who doesn&#039;t naturally fall into the Palin camp.  Because if there is anything that her term as Mayor of Wasilla and then Governor of Alaska and then VP candidate has shown, it&#039;s that the woman has very thin skin, and that she will remember who she considers enemies, and that she will use whatever power is at her disposal to punish those enemies.   Palin becoming the leader of the Republican Party could turn into a long winter for economic conservatives who don&#039;t want to see a party platform focussed on a &quot;rebirth of a Christian America&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only motive would be that the element of the GOP that is supportive of a Palin or Palin type ticket is one that would be wisely supressed. It’s not a winning strategy or majority.</p>
<p>Moreover, it should scare the hell out of anyone in the Republican Party who doesn&#8217;t naturally fall into the Palin camp.  Because if there is anything that her term as Mayor of Wasilla and then Governor of Alaska and then VP candidate has shown, it&#8217;s that the woman has very thin skin, and that she will remember who she considers enemies, and that she will use whatever power is at her disposal to punish those enemies.   Palin becoming the leader of the Republican Party could turn into a long winter for economic conservatives who don&#8217;t want to see a party platform focussed on a &#8220;rebirth of a Christian America&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Two Faces of David Frum</title>
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		<dc:creator>race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Two Faces of David Frum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Ruffini, repeating the claim that there were no longer any great conservative thinker and by invoking the same call for conservatives to adopt Buckleyite, east coast conservative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cforchange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cforchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only motive would be that the element of the GOP that is supportive of a Palin or Palin type ticket is one that would be wisely supressed.  It&#039;s not a winning strategy or majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only motive would be that the element of the GOP that is supportive of a Palin or Palin type ticket is one that would be wisely supressed.  It&#8217;s not a winning strategy or majority.</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escapevelocity, just the fact that you say ID gives god a leg to stand on shows your bias.  ID supposedly says nothing about the source of the intelligence doing the designing, right?  The fact that you focus on a god (and the one with a capital G, to boot) means you have a preference for what that intelligence should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escapevelocity, just the fact that you say ID gives god a leg to stand on shows your bias.  ID supposedly says nothing about the source of the intelligence doing the designing, right?  The fact that you focus on a god (and the one with a capital G, to boot) means you have a preference for what that intelligence should be.</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, escapevelocity, I&#039;m actually a bit sympathetic to ID.  My connection to evolution research is evolutionary computation, a branch of artificial intelligence that uses aspects of evolution to produce novel approaches to problem solving.  

Anyway, it&#039;s my view that evolution inevitably leads to ID.  After all, evolution produced us: intelligent beings.  If you accept that, it&#039;s not too much of a leap to posit that other intelligences have also been evolved, possibly some on a higher scale than our own.  And who&#039;s to say we came first? :)

However, I also recognize that this is all speculation, and entirely untestable at this time.  (And it may never be testable in any practical way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, escapevelocity, I&#8217;m actually a bit sympathetic to ID.  My connection to evolution research is evolutionary computation, a branch of artificial intelligence that uses aspects of evolution to produce novel approaches to problem solving.  </p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s my view that evolution inevitably leads to ID.  After all, evolution produced us: intelligent beings.  If you accept that, it&#8217;s not too much of a leap to posit that other intelligences have also been evolved, possibly some on a higher scale than our own.  And who&#8217;s to say we came first? <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, I also recognize that this is all speculation, and entirely untestable at this time.  (And it may never be testable in any practical way.)</p>
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		<title>By: greg_barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg_barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escapevelocity, you do know that many elements on the periodic table were discovered from &quot;science of the gaps,&quot; right?  

 balconesfault is right that ID isn&#039;t testable because there are no commonly accepted definitions of consciousness and intelligence yet.  Without those you can&#039;t test whether something is provably created by an intelligent conscious entity, now can you?

Imagination is certainly important for scientific advancement, but at it&#039;s core is empiricism.  If you can&#039;t test it, it&#039;s not science.  Sorry.  Well formed claims about dark matter are testable because there are healthy branches of science called Astronomy and Cosmology that produce methods, instruments, and data that are useful for testing hypotheses.  

Evolution is not infinitely mutable.  It has a core, simple, rock solid principle: organisms that are more adapted to their environment survive and reproduce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escapevelocity, you do know that many elements on the periodic table were discovered from &#8220;science of the gaps,&#8221; right?  </p>
<p> balconesfault is right that ID isn&#8217;t testable because there are no commonly accepted definitions of consciousness and intelligence yet.  Without those you can&#8217;t test whether something is provably created by an intelligent conscious entity, now can you?</p>
<p>Imagination is certainly important for scientific advancement, but at it&#8217;s core is empiricism.  If you can&#8217;t test it, it&#8217;s not science.  Sorry.  Well formed claims about dark matter are testable because there are healthy branches of science called Astronomy and Cosmology that produce methods, instruments, and data that are useful for testing hypotheses.  </p>
<p>Evolution is not infinitely mutable.  It has a core, simple, rock solid principle: organisms that are more adapted to their environment survive and reproduce.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID didn’t cure polio or develop penicilin --- Cforchange


Evolution didnt cure polio or develop penicilin...get the facts straight.  


You see, its just bigotry that is driving your anti ID position....not rationality, not dedication to science, and not dedication to open inquiry(a property of science).

In effect your anti ID position is anti Science.  And probably driven by an anti Religion, anti God belief position, as ID gives God a leg to stand on.  

So, I suggest to you, that you quit hiding your bigotry and come out and be honest about your motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ID didn’t cure polio or develop penicilin &#8212; Cforchange</p>
<p>Evolution didnt cure polio or develop penicilin&#8230;get the facts straight.  </p>
<p>You see, its just bigotry that is driving your anti ID position&#8230;.not rationality, not dedication to science, and not dedication to open inquiry(a property of science).</p>
<p>In effect your anti ID position is anti Science.  And probably driven by an anti Religion, anti God belief position, as ID gives God a leg to stand on.  </p>
<p>So, I suggest to you, that you quit hiding your bigotry and come out and be honest about your motives.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the last part.  &quot;Infinitely Mutable.&quot;

Yes, and Evolution isnt testable in that it is infinitely mutable.  Its more of a paradigm, a metaphysical project in that regard.

There is little reason to exclude mention and discussion of ID as an adjunct to Evolution.  In fact it offers the opportunity to teach kids more about what science is and what it isnt....its assumptions and limitations....giving kids a better understanding.

However it seems to me that crying about how hard science is to teach, that you would rather skip over this interesting controversy so that you dont have to teach what science actually is, and can just offer up the consensus doctrine as gospel and be on your merry way.  

Sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the last part.  &#8220;Infinitely Mutable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, and Evolution isnt testable in that it is infinitely mutable.  Its more of a paradigm, a metaphysical project in that regard.</p>
<p>There is little reason to exclude mention and discussion of ID as an adjunct to Evolution.  In fact it offers the opportunity to teach kids more about what science is and what it isnt&#8230;.its assumptions and limitations&#8230;.giving kids a better understanding.</p>
<p>However it seems to me that crying about how hard science is to teach, that you would rather skip over this interesting controversy so that you dont have to teach what science actually is, and can just offer up the consensus doctrine as gospel and be on your merry way.  </p>
<p>Sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s not a claim - it’s a first principle. ID isn’t testable, in that it is infinitely mutable  --- balconesfault

This is false.  You have a limited imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not a claim &#8211; it’s a first principle. ID isn’t testable, in that it is infinitely mutable  &#8212; balconesfault</p>
<p>This is false.  You have a limited imagination.</p>
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