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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fox-news-feminist-champion/comment-page-2#comment-73461</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>46 sdspringy // Nov 21, 2009 at 8:14 pm 

........Don&#039;t like having your bumper stickers questioned do you sdspringy 

&quot;Please name the Democrat politician who has penned their own book.&quot;

........Barak Obama (Dreams of my father), Bill Clinton(his presidential memoir) and Jimmy Carter(several), Al Gore (An Inconvenient Truth)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46 sdspringy // Nov 21, 2009 at 8:14 pm </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..Don&#8217;t like having your bumper stickers questioned do you sdspringy </p>
<p>&#8220;Please name the Democrat politician who has penned their own book.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..Barak Obama (Dreams of my father), Bill Clinton(his presidential memoir) and Jimmy Carter(several), Al Gore (An Inconvenient Truth)</p>
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		<title>By: CentristNYer</title>
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		<dc:creator>CentristNYer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sdspringy says: 

“The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent.”

Ironically, this is also true of Sarah Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdspringy says: </p>
<p>“The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent.”</p>
<p>Ironically, this is also true of Sarah Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sdspringy nails it with:

&quot;The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent. Otto is a fine example and verb for this technique is Bit$chy.&quot;

No truer words could be uttered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdspringy nails it with:</p>
<p>&#8220;The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent. Otto is a fine example and verb for this technique is Bit$chy.&#8221;</p>
<p>No truer words could be uttered.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr About Face inquires: &quot;And you bash Obama. And Holder. And Biden. And Clinton. And every other democrat.  So how does that make you any different from the “trolls” on this site that you are complaining about? That makes you a hypocrite, no?&quot;

I&#039;d think that he would answer it does not, Mr About Face.  Trolls here, on this conservative and GOP site which Frum says is dedicated to rebuilding the Party, are guys like you and all the various reincarnations of your presence here under a variety of names and characters.

I think the troll label sits firmly and squarely on you and TeaBagged and automaticBSer and BlankHead and OldSkwerl and a few others.  Troll because you&#039;re here to irritate on a site for which your opinions do not belong.

Independent is closer to the conversation and discussion --let alone the goals of the site-- than you can ever hope to be... you&#039;re stuck under that bridge munching on rotting ferrets and hoping no one recognizes you for the democrat activist troll you are.

But nice try at confusing the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr About Face inquires: &#8220;And you bash Obama. And Holder. And Biden. And Clinton. And every other democrat.  So how does that make you any different from the “trolls” on this site that you are complaining about? That makes you a hypocrite, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d think that he would answer it does not, Mr About Face.  Trolls here, on this conservative and GOP site which Frum says is dedicated to rebuilding the Party, are guys like you and all the various reincarnations of your presence here under a variety of names and characters.</p>
<p>I think the troll label sits firmly and squarely on you and TeaBagged and automaticBSer and BlankHead and OldSkwerl and a few others.  Troll because you&#8217;re here to irritate on a site for which your opinions do not belong.</p>
<p>Independent is closer to the conversation and discussion &#8211;let alone the goals of the site&#8211; than you can ever hope to be&#8230; you&#8217;re stuck under that bridge munching on rotting ferrets and hoping no one recognizes you for the democrat activist troll you are.</p>
<p>But nice try at confusing the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: sdspringy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent.  Otto is a fine example and verb for this technique is Bit$chy.

A self made woman who has made it on her own, something Hilary hasn&#039;t done.   A woman who has allowed complete acces to her college transcripts, something Obama hasn&#039;t.  A person who has executive experience, which Obama had no of, and required no political machine to be successfull.
She now has a book, which by all standards is a best seller, and Otto whines, &quot;She didn&#039;t write it&quot;.
Please name the Democrat politician who has penned their own book.  
The book sells because of the story, the narrative, the main character.  By that measure Sarah outshines any book released by a Democrat.  

Tough to swallow but Otto please don&#039;t choke on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inability to provide intelligent aurguements and thus resort to demeaning comment is a Lib talent.  Otto is a fine example and verb for this technique is Bit$chy.</p>
<p>A self made woman who has made it on her own, something Hilary hasn&#8217;t done.   A woman who has allowed complete acces to her college transcripts, something Obama hasn&#8217;t.  A person who has executive experience, which Obama had no of, and required no political machine to be successfull.<br />
She now has a book, which by all standards is a best seller, and Otto whines, &#8220;She didn&#8217;t write it&#8221;.<br />
Please name the Democrat politician who has penned their own book.<br />
The book sells because of the story, the narrative, the main character.  By that measure Sarah outshines any book released by a Democrat.  </p>
<p>Tough to swallow but Otto please don&#8217;t choke on it.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>43 balconesfault // Nov 21, 2009 at 2:42 pm

&quot; Annie – I think that probably 70-80% of self-identified Republicans would in fact commit to vote for Palin if she is the party’s nominee.&#039;


44 CentristNYer // Nov 21, 2009 at 3:43 pm 

......I always remind myself that in 1936 Alf Landon got 36% of the vote in the greatest electoral landslide in US history.....he carried only two states......So if the Republicans put up Micky D he&#039;s going to get about 36%-40% of the vote which is made up of the base (roughly 25% of the electorate) and another 10-15% of fellow travellers.......that&#039;s just electoral math in America</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>43 balconesfault // Nov 21, 2009 at 2:42 pm</p>
<p>&#8221; Annie – I think that probably 70-80% of self-identified Republicans would in fact commit to vote for Palin if she is the party’s nominee.&#8217;</p>
<p>44 CentristNYer // Nov 21, 2009 at 3:43 pm </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;I always remind myself that in 1936 Alf Landon got 36% of the vote in the greatest electoral landslide in US history&#8230;..he carried only two states&#8230;&#8230;So if the Republicans put up Micky D he&#8217;s going to get about 36%-40% of the vote which is made up of the base (roughly 25% of the electorate) and another 10-15% of fellow travellers&#8230;&#8230;.that&#8217;s just electoral math in America</p>
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		<title>By: CentristNYer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Balconesfault: Annie was referring to the &quot;vast majority of Americans.&quot; Remember this: Republican-identified voters barely top out at 20-25% at this point, an all time low. So even if Palin decides to run (and I don&#039;t believe she will) and can glide to the nomination, she&#039;ll be facing an enormously hostile electorate that will tire of her winking through debates and offering bumper sticker prescriptions for what ails the country. Furthermore, if you think she was under scrutiny before, just wait till she&#039;s at the top of the ticket. Todd&#039;s association with that Alaskan separatist party, those creepy videos of her being &quot;protected&quot; from &quot;witchcraft,&quot; and all the inconsistencies in her ongoing story will be fair game. 

Sadly, as Steve Schmidt warned, it would be a GOP bloodbath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Balconesfault: Annie was referring to the &#8220;vast majority of Americans.&#8221; Remember this: Republican-identified voters barely top out at 20-25% at this point, an all time low. So even if Palin decides to run (and I don&#8217;t believe she will) and can glide to the nomination, she&#8217;ll be facing an enormously hostile electorate that will tire of her winking through debates and offering bumper sticker prescriptions for what ails the country. Furthermore, if you think she was under scrutiny before, just wait till she&#8217;s at the top of the ticket. Todd&#8217;s association with that Alaskan separatist party, those creepy videos of her being &#8220;protected&#8221; from &#8220;witchcraft,&#8221; and all the inconsistencies in her ongoing story will be fair game. </p>
<p>Sadly, as Steve Schmidt warned, it would be a GOP bloodbath.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>annie: &lt;b&gt;And it is why Palin will never be taken seriously. The vast majority of Americans need to look up to someone who can take criticism and move on. She uses it to keep her fans angry and encourage the ‘us vs them’ mentality. It won’t fly come election time.&lt;/b&gt;

Annie - I think that probably 70-80% of self-identified Republicans would in fact commit to vote for Palin if she is the party&#039;s nominee.

I&#039;d estimate that around 50-60% of today&#039;s Republicans would say that Sarah is a reasonable candidate for President, even if not their first choice.

And I&#039;d estimate that about 20-30% of Republicans would quickly commit to support Sarah if she throws her hat into the ring.

Now remember - one of the reasons why McCain ran away with the nomination so quickly isn&#039;t because 50% of Republicans were supporting him in primaries - but because Republicans gamed the process to minimize dissent and had a lot of early states that were winner-take-all.  Sarah walking into early primaries, where there might be 4 or 5 other legit candidates (legit in terms of having a real chance of drawing a significant vote), might grab some early momentum.

And anyone opposing her knows that up to half her support could be of the &quot;if Sarah doesn&#039;t end up on the ticket, we&#039;re staying home in November&quot; variety - so they won&#039;t be able to point out some of her knowledge/logic gaps or verbal inconsistencies for fear of alienating this constituency.

In short, barring some new revelation of Sarah&#039;s past or current conduct that submarines her appeal - I could very easily see watching her debating Obama as the Republican nominee in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annie: And it is why Palin will never be taken seriously. The vast majority of Americans need to look up to someone who can take criticism and move on. She uses it to keep her fans angry and encourage the ‘us vs them’ mentality. It won’t fly come election time.</p>
<p>Annie &#8211; I think that probably 70-80% of self-identified Republicans would in fact commit to vote for Palin if she is the party&#8217;s nominee.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d estimate that around 50-60% of today&#8217;s Republicans would say that Sarah is a reasonable candidate for President, even if not their first choice.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d estimate that about 20-30% of Republicans would quickly commit to support Sarah if she throws her hat into the ring.</p>
<p>Now remember &#8211; one of the reasons why McCain ran away with the nomination so quickly isn&#8217;t because 50% of Republicans were supporting him in primaries &#8211; but because Republicans gamed the process to minimize dissent and had a lot of early states that were winner-take-all.  Sarah walking into early primaries, where there might be 4 or 5 other legit candidates (legit in terms of having a real chance of drawing a significant vote), might grab some early momentum.</p>
<p>And anyone opposing her knows that up to half her support could be of the &#8220;if Sarah doesn&#8217;t end up on the ticket, we&#8217;re staying home in November&#8221; variety &#8211; so they won&#8217;t be able to point out some of her knowledge/logic gaps or verbal inconsistencies for fear of alienating this constituency.</p>
<p>In short, barring some new revelation of Sarah&#8217;s past or current conduct that submarines her appeal &#8211; I could very easily see watching her debating Obama as the Republican nominee in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.......Chek you might like this choice piece from the gibberish factory, this was Palin talking to O&#039;Reilly

&quot;I believe that I am [qualified to be president] because I have common sense, and I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other American values. And I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the kind of a spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fact resume that&#039;s based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles.&quot;

.......when lived in England they used to some guy who did a vaudeville act on tv where he spoke total gibberish with a completely straight face and he&#039;d do spoof interviews on talk shows and the like......this is exactly the same except that a majority of one of our major parties thinks this is coherent and wisdom laden commentary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;.Chek you might like this choice piece from the gibberish factory, this was Palin talking to O&#8217;Reilly</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that I am [qualified to be president] because I have common sense, and I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other American values. And I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the kind of a spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fact resume that&#8217;s based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.when lived in England they used to some guy who did a vaudeville act on tv where he spoke total gibberish with a completely straight face and he&#8217;d do spoof interviews on talk shows and the like&#8230;&#8230;this is exactly the same except that a majority of one of our major parties thinks this is coherent and wisdom laden commentary</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>annie

How about Hannity and the other right wing talk shows hosts saying that no one has been more savagely treated than Palin? I guess they forgot the various conspiracies about Hillary being responsible for Vince Foster&#039;s murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annie</p>
<p>How about Hannity and the other right wing talk shows hosts saying that no one has been more savagely treated than Palin? I guess they forgot the various conspiracies about Hillary being responsible for Vince Foster&#8217;s murder.</p>
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