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		<title>By: “Diversity Über Alles” &#171; Red Tory v.3.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>“Diversity Über Alles” &#171; Red Tory v.3.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a more sensible response might be that of Sean Linnane (pseudonym of a retired U.S. Army Special Forces Combat Diver, NCO now serving in other [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fort-hood-shootings/comment-page-3#comment-71591</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boolaboola says: &quot;The idea that it’s ok for Americans to kill other Americans over political differences was dormant until Scott Roeder resurrected it by murdering Dr. George Tiller&quot;.

i thought that was an execution based on moral grounds that tiller was helping women secure a brutally homocidal and roundly discredited late term abortion? it had nothing to do with any political movement nor was mr roeder a leader of any movement.  tiller, like jack kevorkian, was a homocidal maniac intent on murdering innocent, indefensible children who were viable in their mothers&#039; womb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boolaboola says: &#8220;The idea that it’s ok for Americans to kill other Americans over political differences was dormant until Scott Roeder resurrected it by murdering Dr. George Tiller&#8221;.</p>
<p>i thought that was an execution based on moral grounds that tiller was helping women secure a brutally homocidal and roundly discredited late term abortion? it had nothing to do with any political movement nor was mr roeder a leader of any movement.  tiller, like jack kevorkian, was a homocidal maniac intent on murdering innocent, indefensible children who were viable in their mothers&#8217; womb</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fort-hood-shootings/comment-page-3#comment-71490</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there we are:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used &#039;Electronic Means&#039; to Connect with Terrorists
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS

Nov. 9, 2009 —

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan&#039;s efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress &quot;to preserve&quot; all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

Hoekstra said he is &quot;absolutely furious&quot; that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan&#039;s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there we are:</p>
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Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda<br />
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used &#8216;Electronic Means&#8217; to Connect with Terrorists<br />
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS</p>
<p>Nov. 9, 2009 —</p>
<p>U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.</p>
<p>It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.</p>
<p>Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan&#8217;s efforts.</p>
<p>CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress &#8220;to preserve&#8221; all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.</p>
<p>Hoekstra said he is &#8220;absolutely furious&#8221; that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan&#8217;s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fort-hood-shootings/comment-page-3#comment-71336</link>
		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A REMF gets pwned by a former POW.

She drops the boom on a smug douche ready to lecture her about Iraq and PTSD.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=385x399631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The entire episode of wingnut hypocrisy is the case of the Fort Hood shootings is, perhaps, most amusingly and sadly illustrated by this quick exchange from last night&#039;s Larry King Live on CNN between former POW Shoshana Johnson (captured along with Jessica Lynch) and wingnut attorney and JAG officer Tom Kenniff...&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A REMF gets pwned by a former POW.</p>
<p>She drops the boom on a smug douche ready to lecture her about Iraq and PTSD.</p>
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<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=385x399631" rel="nofollow">The entire episode of wingnut hypocrisy is the case of the Fort Hood shootings is, perhaps, most amusingly and sadly illustrated by this quick exchange from last night&#8217;s Larry King Live on CNN between former POW Shoshana Johnson (captured along with Jessica Lynch) and wingnut attorney and JAG officer Tom Kenniff&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbs: &lt;blockquote&gt; the US prevailed because our free market system was vastly more efficient than their command system which gave us the wherewithal to spend on more efficient weapon systems and satisfy the desires of our people for material comfort &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s exactly my point.

Communism wasn&#039;t defeated by economic studies and econometric models that attempted to prove its inherent inefficiencies (though those existed).

Communism was defeated when the U.S. beat the USSR in competition.  Nobody advocates Communism anymore because the USSR is dead.

The same holds true for the War on Terror.  We can go hunting through the Quran and Islamic philosophy to learn about jihad and Dar al-Harb and the philosophical differences between Sunni and Shiite.  And it&#039;s all useless.

The reason we&#039;re not winning the War on Terror is our economic dependence on the Muslim oil states of the Middle East.  If the U.S. had been economically DEPENDENT on the USSR for raw materials, I doubt we would ever have won the Cold War.

The West MUST find alternative sources of energy outside the Middle East oil fields.  This would enable us to drive down the world price of oil (once we stop using so much of it), which would have the effect of greatly reducing the power of the Muslim oil bloc. 

Saudi Arabia, our so-called &quot;friend and ally,&quot; is the source of a lot of the virulent radical propaganda against the West.  We have looked the other way because of their strategic location and willingness to sell us oil.  That can only stop when the West stops needing so much of their oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbs:<br />
<blockquote> the US prevailed because our free market system was vastly more efficient than their command system which gave us the wherewithal to spend on more efficient weapon systems and satisfy the desires of our people for material comfort </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly my point.</p>
<p>Communism wasn&#8217;t defeated by economic studies and econometric models that attempted to prove its inherent inefficiencies (though those existed).</p>
<p>Communism was defeated when the U.S. beat the USSR in competition.  Nobody advocates Communism anymore because the USSR is dead.</p>
<p>The same holds true for the War on Terror.  We can go hunting through the Quran and Islamic philosophy to learn about jihad and Dar al-Harb and the philosophical differences between Sunni and Shiite.  And it&#8217;s all useless.</p>
<p>The reason we&#8217;re not winning the War on Terror is our economic dependence on the Muslim oil states of the Middle East.  If the U.S. had been economically DEPENDENT on the USSR for raw materials, I doubt we would ever have won the Cold War.</p>
<p>The West MUST find alternative sources of energy outside the Middle East oil fields.  This would enable us to drive down the world price of oil (once we stop using so much of it), which would have the effect of greatly reducing the power of the Muslim oil bloc. </p>
<p>Saudi Arabia, our so-called &#8220;friend and ally,&#8221; is the source of a lot of the virulent radical propaganda against the West.  We have looked the other way because of their strategic location and willingness to sell us oil.  That can only stop when the West stops needing so much of their oil.</p>
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		<title>By: BoolaBoola</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fort-hood-shootings/comment-page-3#comment-71309</link>
		<dc:creator>BoolaBoola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that it&#039;s ok for Americans to kill other Americans over political differences was dormant until Scott Roeder resurrected it by murdering Dr. George Tiller.

This is all the fault of the right-to-lifers.

We should deport them.  ALL of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that it&#8217;s ok for Americans to kill other Americans over political differences was dormant until Scott Roeder resurrected it by murdering Dr. George Tiller.</p>
<p>This is all the fault of the right-to-lifers.</p>
<p>We should deport them.  ALL of them.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason60 // Nov 6, 2009 at 7:31 pm 

&quot;However, isn’t it interesting that they never launched a full scale war against the West, since the time of the Moors?&quot;

.......You might want to check out the siege of Vienna which happened in the mid 17th century.......and the Austrian Empire was engaged in major wars against the Ottoman empire until the early 18th Century</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason60 // Nov 6, 2009 at 7:31 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;However, isn’t it interesting that they never launched a full scale war against the West, since the time of the Moors?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.You might want to check out the siege of Vienna which happened in the mid 17th century&#8230;&#8230;.and the Austrian Empire was engaged in major wars against the Ottoman empire until the early 18th Century</p>
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		<title>By: Reason60</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Nick-
Actually,  agree with you that Islamists have been waging a sporadic war with the Enlightenment for centuries; I know about the piracy, the slave trading, etc.
However, isn&#039;t it interesting that they never launched a full scale war against the West, since the time of the Moors?
Even when America was much weaker than the Ottoman Turks, they didn&#039;t seem much interested in exporting their revolution. They seemed content to harass and enslave the occasional Westerner who strayed onto their turf.
Likewise, I don&#039;t think we can overestimate the power of being a foreign occupying Empire. to have foreign troops stationed on your own home soil is abhorrent to anyone and only inflames an already tense situation.
I don&#039;t for a moment think that withdrawal of our troops from their soil will cause them to become secular or friendly towards Christianity; 

But consider the Saudis; the Wahabbist sect are even more bitterly intolerant of Christianity than the Taliban;  But being intolerant towards Christianity doesn&#039;t prevent them from having friendly diplomatic relations, and a mutually beneficial alliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Nick-<br />
Actually,  agree with you that Islamists have been waging a sporadic war with the Enlightenment for centuries; I know about the piracy, the slave trading, etc.<br />
However, isn&#8217;t it interesting that they never launched a full scale war against the West, since the time of the Moors?<br />
Even when America was much weaker than the Ottoman Turks, they didn&#8217;t seem much interested in exporting their revolution. They seemed content to harass and enslave the occasional Westerner who strayed onto their turf.<br />
Likewise, I don&#8217;t think we can overestimate the power of being a foreign occupying Empire. to have foreign troops stationed on your own home soil is abhorrent to anyone and only inflames an already tense situation.<br />
I don&#8217;t for a moment think that withdrawal of our troops from their soil will cause them to become secular or friendly towards Christianity; </p>
<p>But consider the Saudis; the Wahabbist sect are even more bitterly intolerant of Christianity than the Taliban;  But being intolerant towards Christianity doesn&#8217;t prevent them from having friendly diplomatic relations, and a mutually beneficial alliance.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfNickD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfNickD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason60,
I think that the West (broadly defined as those countries that accept the Enlightenment and constitutional government) has been at war with Islam for a long time, or, more specifically, Islam has been at war with the West for a long time -- but, if the thought of a religious-based culture (Islam) making war on enlightened countries (the West) makes you uncomfortable, then simply think of it as a war for civilization against barbarism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason60,<br />
I think that the West (broadly defined as those countries that accept the Enlightenment and constitutional government) has been at war with Islam for a long time, or, more specifically, Islam has been at war with the West for a long time &#8212; but, if the thought of a religious-based culture (Islam) making war on enlightened countries (the West) makes you uncomfortable, then simply think of it as a war for civilization against barbarism.</p>
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		<title>By: Reason60</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fort-hood-shootings/comment-page-3#comment-71294</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz-
I agree with much of your post; especially the part about democracy not being a cure-all. I think we would agree that without a culture of tolerance, and a healthy respect for the notions of &quot;loyal opposition&quot;, democracy is a convenient tool for dictators and demogogues to gain power (witness Hugo Chavez).
I also agree that focusing our action on AQ, instead of Islam or Arabs, is productive; alienating them from their source of support can work.
I would also put forward that the large American footprint in their homeland is a lightning rod for anger, and a major recruiting tool. No one likes foreigners on their own soil. 
Someone made the point that our drone attacks were like attacking a beehive by trying to kill bees, one at a time; the bees can reproduce faster than we can kill them.

Politics is war by other means, as the saying goes; I believe we can get better results by withdrawing military forces, and focusing on politicially alienating AQ, than by blowing up one house at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz-<br />
I agree with much of your post; especially the part about democracy not being a cure-all. I think we would agree that without a culture of tolerance, and a healthy respect for the notions of &#8220;loyal opposition&#8221;, democracy is a convenient tool for dictators and demogogues to gain power (witness Hugo Chavez).<br />
I also agree that focusing our action on AQ, instead of Islam or Arabs, is productive; alienating them from their source of support can work.<br />
I would also put forward that the large American footprint in their homeland is a lightning rod for anger, and a major recruiting tool. No one likes foreigners on their own soil.<br />
Someone made the point that our drone attacks were like attacking a beehive by trying to kill bees, one at a time; the bees can reproduce faster than we can kill them.</p>
<p>Politics is war by other means, as the saying goes; I believe we can get better results by withdrawing military forces, and focusing on politicially alienating AQ, than by blowing up one house at a time.</p>
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