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		<title>By: Carney</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/forgetting-communisms-crimes/comment-page-2#comment-75152</link>
		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend the recent award-winning film &quot;The Soviet Story&quot;.

http://www.sovietstory.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend the recent award-winning film &#8220;The Soviet Story&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/forgetting-communisms-crimes/comment-page-2#comment-69300</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dblade: &lt;b&gt;What’s funny about this is that Hitler himself is starting to become the butt of jokes.&lt;/b&gt;

Ahh... these youngsters ...

http://www.spike.com/video/der-fuehrers-face/2722387

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dblade: What’s funny about this is that Hitler himself is starting to become the butt of jokes.</p>
<p>Ahh&#8230; these youngsters &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spike.com/video/der-fuehrers-face/2722387" rel="nofollow">http://www.spike.com/video/der-fuehrers-face/2722387</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dblade</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/forgetting-communisms-crimes/comment-page-2#comment-69285</link>
		<dc:creator>Dblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny about this is that Hitler himself is starting to become the butt of jokes. Hit youtube up and you can see a ton of hitler parody videos, based on the film Downfall, where Hitler deals with being banned from Xbox Live, talks bout how much he hates ceiling cat or Michael Bay&#039;s version of the transformers, and just is cast as a comic internet ranter.

I think it&#039;s not really due to any ill motive, but it&#039;s just the human tendency towards the comic. If you constantly remembered and held all the crimes of Communism, you probably wouldn&#039;t get out of bed in the morning. Humor is a release valve for dealing with tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny about this is that Hitler himself is starting to become the butt of jokes. Hit youtube up and you can see a ton of hitler parody videos, based on the film Downfall, where Hitler deals with being banned from Xbox Live, talks bout how much he hates ceiling cat or Michael Bay&#8217;s version of the transformers, and just is cast as a comic internet ranter.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s not really due to any ill motive, but it&#8217;s just the human tendency towards the comic. If you constantly remembered and held all the crimes of Communism, you probably wouldn&#8217;t get out of bed in the morning. Humor is a release valve for dealing with tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/forgetting-communisms-crimes/comment-page-2#comment-69255</link>
		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto, the beautiful thing about economics and accounting is that you can torture a number to say anything you want it to say.  You haul out Bartlett, I see your Bartlett and raise you a Laffer or Friedman, etc.  And both make compelling cases. 

And I just do not understand why  you all continue to ignore the fact that the GOP screwed up not because of conservative principles, but because it abandonded those same principles.  Yes, there were Republicans running the fiscal show, but they were not conservatives.  I am a conservative, not a party man.  So, in essence, you are absolutely right.  And the GOP deserved the trouncing they got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto, the beautiful thing about economics and accounting is that you can torture a number to say anything you want it to say.  You haul out Bartlett, I see your Bartlett and raise you a Laffer or Friedman, etc.  And both make compelling cases. </p>
<p>And I just do not understand why  you all continue to ignore the fact that the GOP screwed up not because of conservative principles, but because it abandonded those same principles.  Yes, there were Republicans running the fiscal show, but they were not conservatives.  I am a conservative, not a party man.  So, in essence, you are absolutely right.  And the GOP deserved the trouncing they got.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/forgetting-communisms-crimes/comment-page-2#comment-69254</link>
		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto...as much as I appreciate that you are justifying several Obama underling&#039;s pining for the days of Mao by using Richard Nixon&#039;s outreach as a &quot;he did it too&quot; defense, I am not sure how that is relevant.  One is an act of realpolitik necessity (like FDR and Churchill holding their noses as they climbed into bed, for better or worse, with Stalin) while the examples Schaeffer cites have to do with expressions of philosophical sympathy.  China is simply too big to be ignored and Nixon understood that.  But that reality, and the policy changes it may have necessiated does not make the millions of dead as the result of Mao&#039;s failed attempts to create a communist country in what is a mostly capitalist populace some how spring back to life.  

China whose history goes back thousands of years (and in which Mao was only a blip really in this context)  is and always has been a great nation.  And Mao was and always will be a mass murderer.  
And Rbottoms...you are assuming that the shirt was made in China #1.  And #2 what exactly is your point?  (You don&#039;t know yourself even do you?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto&#8230;as much as I appreciate that you are justifying several Obama underling&#8217;s pining for the days of Mao by using Richard Nixon&#8217;s outreach as a &#8220;he did it too&#8221; defense, I am not sure how that is relevant.  One is an act of realpolitik necessity (like FDR and Churchill holding their noses as they climbed into bed, for better or worse, with Stalin) while the examples Schaeffer cites have to do with expressions of philosophical sympathy.  China is simply too big to be ignored and Nixon understood that.  But that reality, and the policy changes it may have necessiated does not make the millions of dead as the result of Mao&#8217;s failed attempts to create a communist country in what is a mostly capitalist populace some how spring back to life.  </p>
<p>China whose history goes back thousands of years (and in which Mao was only a blip really in this context)  is and always has been a great nation.  And Mao was and always will be a mass murderer.<br />
And Rbottoms&#8230;you are assuming that the shirt was made in China #1.  And #2 what exactly is your point?  (You don&#8217;t know yourself even do you?)</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
While strolling down the streets of Manhattan the other day I saw a shirt which declared:&lt;strike&gt; “Communism Killed 100 Million People And All I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt.”&lt;/strike&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

“Communism Killed 100 Million People And I Bought This Stupid T-Shirt Courtesy Chinese Communists Slave Labor At Walmart.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While strolling down the streets of Manhattan the other day I saw a shirt which declared: “Communism Killed 100 Million People And All I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt.”</p>
<p>“Communism Killed 100 Million People And I Bought This Stupid T-Shirt Courtesy Chinese Communists Slave Labor At Walmart.”</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27 raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 4:24 pm 

&quot;IFC…to me the unthinking man’s solution is. Hmm deficit? Raise taxes. Bigger deficit? Raise taxes more. Knee–JERK.&quot;

......Why don&#039;t you lay out a few buck on the conservative economist Bruce Bartlett&#039;s book and he&#039;ll explain it to you:

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1168/supply-side-economics-rip

&quot;(I know efficiency is a hard concept for liberals to understand so I forgive you).&quot;

.........You&#039;d never think we&#039;d just had eight years of one of the most incompetent and inefficient govt&#039;s in US history........and it was Republican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27 raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 4:24 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;IFC…to me the unthinking man’s solution is. Hmm deficit? Raise taxes. Bigger deficit? Raise taxes more. Knee–JERK.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;Why don&#8217;t you lay out a few buck on the conservative economist Bruce Bartlett&#8217;s book and he&#8217;ll explain it to you:</p>
<p><a href="http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1168/supply-side-economics-rip" rel="nofollow">http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1168/supply-side-economics-rip</a></p>
<p>&#8220;(I know efficiency is a hard concept for liberals to understand so I forgive you).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;You&#8217;d never think we&#8217;d just had eight years of one of the most incompetent and inefficient govt&#8217;s in US history&#8230;&#8230;..and it was Republican</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 11:08 am 

&quot;First of all. It was Obama’s own communications director and also Ron Bloom, one of his many “czars” who stated that they “admired” and “agreed with” respectively Mao Tse-tung.&quot;

........So why did President Nixon laud the guy to the skies.......your world view has all the sophistication of a 13 year old.........for better or worse he&#039;s the founder of modern China which is currently kicking our ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 11:08 am </p>
<p>&#8220;First of all. It was Obama’s own communications director and also Ron Bloom, one of his many “czars” who stated that they “admired” and “agreed with” respectively Mao Tse-tung.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..So why did President Nixon laud the guy to the skies&#8230;&#8230;.your world view has all the sophistication of a 13 year old&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;for better or worse he&#8217;s the founder of modern China which is currently kicking our ass.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 11:08 am 
&quot;First of all. It was Obama’s own communications director and also Ron Bloom, one of his many “czars” who stated that they “admired” and “agreed with” respectively Mao Tse-tung.&quot;

.......One wonders why Richard Nixon made nice with him........you are so juvenile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raider1 // Oct 22, 2009 at 11:08 am<br />
&#8220;First of all. It was Obama’s own communications director and also Ron Bloom, one of his many “czars” who stated that they “admired” and “agreed with” respectively Mao Tse-tung.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.One wonders why Richard Nixon made nice with him&#8230;&#8230;..you are so juvenile</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But one fact is inescapable, that the biggest cuts can be acheived from the biggest departments- entitlements and defense. &lt;/i&gt;

The one thing that must be understood about entitlements is that they are still a net positive when calculating budget deficit (a fact that irks the ever lovin&#039; s*** out of me).  Take George W&#039;s annual deficits and add about $300 billion of Social Security surpluses per year to them to get a more accurate budget accounting.  

So cutting Social Security is just diverting more payroll taxes to the general fund, while putting off repayment for a couple of decades.  I say that this is NOT conservative, but rather a game of &quot;Hide the Deficit&quot;.  

I&#039;ve also read multiple viewpoints that Social Security is not really in that much  trouble.  Small adjustments like raising the tax cap, increasing the tax rate marginally, indexing smaller annual benefit increases more closely to CPI, etc. would handle most of it without crushing anybody.  Even if none of that was implemented, it is projected that 2/3 of benefits could be paid just from payroll taxes in the future, without dipping into the IOUs we&#039;ve built up.  Projections also depend upon dropping population growth.  Business won&#039;t let that happen.  When they need workers and can&#039;t find them, they&#039;ll be screaming for increased immigration.

Medicare, on the other hand, IS running a deficit today and that will increase.  It needs to be tackled now, probably from both from the expense side and the tax side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But one fact is inescapable, that the biggest cuts can be acheived from the biggest departments- entitlements and defense. </p>
<p>The one thing that must be understood about entitlements is that they are still a net positive when calculating budget deficit (a fact that irks the ever lovin&#8217; s*** out of me).  Take George W&#8217;s annual deficits and add about $300 billion of Social Security surpluses per year to them to get a more accurate budget accounting.  </p>
<p>So cutting Social Security is just diverting more payroll taxes to the general fund, while putting off repayment for a couple of decades.  I say that this is NOT conservative, but rather a game of &#8220;Hide the Deficit&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also read multiple viewpoints that Social Security is not really in that much  trouble.  Small adjustments like raising the tax cap, increasing the tax rate marginally, indexing smaller annual benefit increases more closely to CPI, etc. would handle most of it without crushing anybody.  Even if none of that was implemented, it is projected that 2/3 of benefits could be paid just from payroll taxes in the future, without dipping into the IOUs we&#8217;ve built up.  Projections also depend upon dropping population growth.  Business won&#8217;t let that happen.  When they need workers and can&#8217;t find them, they&#8217;ll be screaming for increased immigration.</p>
<p>Medicare, on the other hand, IS running a deficit today and that will increase.  It needs to be tackled now, probably from both from the expense side and the tax side.</p>
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