For Trump, There’s No Bad Publicity

April 14th, 2011 at 11:24 am | 44 Comments |

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Say what you will about Donald Trump, but the man is nothing if not creative. Trump’s not the first uber-wealthy person with an outsized personality to run for President (see Perot, Ross). The country hasn’t, however, seen a candidate like Trump before. While Perot was content to spend his money running for President, Trump is becoming the first man in American history to actually run for President in order to make money. On Thursday, Trump told CNN that will announce his 2012 intentions on the season finale of his reality television show, Celebrity Apprentice.

No, that’s not a joke. Donald Trump is a marketing genius. Normally, television programs have to pay for their own advertising. Ever the businessman, Trump figured out a better way to boost his show’s ratings: by running for President. By injecting himself into the Presidential race, Trump has made sure that not a day goes by where the eyes and ears of the cable news audience doesn’t see or hear the name “Donald Trump.” His interviews boost his relevance. And his outrageous personality, obvious intelligence and charisma will lead scores of viewers to watch his outrageous reality television show on NBC (In fact, I’m giving the man more free advertising as we speak).

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  • nuser

    Have never watched the show . He is beyond silly!

  • solikemybeth

    I’m sure his team of investigators in Hawaii includes a film crew to document the upcoming Fox special “In Search of Obama’s Birth Certificate”. Whether he finds anything or not, I’m sure they can cobble together an hour of half-truths and shadowy interviews that will keep their audience interested and ensure a hearty profit for producer Donald Trump.

  • Saladdin

    For someone who really loves attention and is touting his celebrity, Trump is unbelievably thin-skinned. Kinda like Palin, but not as attractive or folksy. You really can’t run for higher office and be so sensitive to criticism. What did Trump expect? Really? Feuding with Bill Cosby? C’mon, what serious presidential candidate does this stuff?

    Also, would like to hear more from Trump than simple platitudes and protectionism. Nothing so far, has convinced me he’s ready for the presidency.

  • jg bennet

    trump actually wants to generate revenue for our broke ass country by taxing the chinese, changing the way we do our trade deals and giving opec a huge piece of his mind about their price fixing..

    Many of Opec’s biggest producers are using the price gains to increase public spending, partly to guard against popular unrest. Saudi Arabia announced a multiyear spending package of $129bn and is expected to spend about $35bn in 2011.

    This largesse means the country now needs an oil price of $83 per barrel in order to balance its national budget this year. “The more they earn, the more they tend to spend. So the oil price they need is ratcheted up,” said Leonidas Drollas, chief economist at the Centre for Global Energy Studies in London. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7fa28b96-5a2f-11e0-86d3-00144feab49a.html#axzz1JW5MEZjT

    we are broke, 14 thousand billion in the hole broke! oil prices are killing us, our manufacturing base is being destroyed and we keep giving away the store due to the total incompetence of our politicians from both sides.

    why do we need trump and a whole new american business model? because we are broke and neither side has a clue of how to fix it and they call the guy with an actual (old school republican protectionism) plan on fixing it an idiot.

    remember the drill here drill now, energy independence mumbo jumbo? here is another example of how stupid our leaders are….

    HOUSTON – State-owned Chinese energy giant CNOOC is buying a multibillion-dollar stake in 600,000 acres of South Texas oil and gas fields, potentially testing the political waters for further expansion into U.S. energy reserves.

    With the announcement Monday that it would pay up to $2.2 billion for a one-third stake in Chesapeake Energy assets, CNOOC lays claim to a share of properties that eventually could produce up to half a million barrels a day of oil equivalent.

    It also might pick up some American know-how about tapping the hard-to-get deposits trapped in dense shale rock formations, analysts said…….

    this domestic resource robbing deal would not have happened under trump nor would the opec price fixers be able to continue their criminal exploitation of us..

    • armstp

      “we are broke, 14 thousand billion in the hole broke! ”

      The U.S. is not broke. That is a BS statement. So basically you are saying anyone who borrows money is broke. That is a joke and makes no sense.

      By the way America is not a “business model”.

      If you don’t like the Chinese then don’t buy their cheap products from Wal-Mart! If you do not like the Chinese investing in the U.S. then you cannot expect that U.S. companies will be able to invest in China.

      If you don’t like giving the Saudi Arabia your money for their oil, then stop using their oil and get on to alternative fuels.

      You JG Bennet are obviously not a free-market type, as everything you have said in this post is against the free-market. You must be a commie!

  • armstp

    I think Trump has hurt his brand and if he continues on he will hurt it even more. I think his birther BS is having the opposite effect that he wanted, assuming he is doing it to increase his branding power and TV ratings.

  • jg bennet

    armstp

    Reeeeeally, not a business model and I’m a commie? Well you are right not any more since FDR & Nixon screwed us…. I would much rather have an investment bank than the Federal Reserve

    The American School, also known as “National System”, represents three different yet related constructs in politics, policy and philosophy. It was the American policy for the 1860s to the 1940s, waxing and waning in actual degrees and details of implementation. Historian Michael Lind describes it as a coherent applied economic philosophy with logical and conceptual relationships with other economic ideas.

    It is the macroeconomic philosophy that dominated United States national policies from the time of the American Civil War until the mid-twentieth century (after mercantilism and prior to Keynesian economics, it can be seen as a modified type of classical economics). It consisted of these three core policies:

    protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and some include through subsidies (especially 1932–70)

    government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)

    a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation.

    It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program. The American School of capitalism was intended to allow the United States to become economically independent and nationally self-sufficient.

    The American School’s key elements were promoted by John Q. Adams and his National Republican Party, Henry Clay and the Whig Party, and Abraham Lincoln through the early Republican Party which embraced, implemented, and maintained this economic system.

    During its American System period the United States grew into the largest economy in the world with the highest standard of living, surpassing the British Empire by the 1880s……

    You guys really need to get off of the neoliberal kool-aid and get back to being real republicans like Trump.

    • armstp

      Your comments about protectionism and worrying about paying the Saudis for their oil and worrying about Chinese direct investment does not sound like a very Republican or conservative business model to me.

      By the way, life and America are not only about business, making money and the economy. There are other things that are important in life.

  • jg bennet

    armstp

    You are not a Republican, you are actually a Neoliberal and guess what? So is Obama. Trump is not a Neoliberal he is a Republican.

    Neoliberalism describes a market-driven approach to economic and social policy based on neoclassical theories of economics that stresses the efficiency of private enterprise, liberalized trade and relatively open markets, and therefore seeks to maximize the role of the private sector in determining the political and economic priorities of the state.

    The term “neoliberalism” has also come into wide use in cultural studies to describe an internationally prevailing ideological paradigm that leads to social, cultural, and political practices and policies that use the language of markets, efficiency, consumer choice, transactional thinking and individual autonomy to shift risk from governments and corporations onto individuals and to extend this kind of market logic into the realm of social and affective relationships.

    Philosopher Mark Lila refers to the “The forces of globalized nation that have given us a ‘neoliberalism’ that people everywhere associated with unregulated markets, labor exploitation, environmental degradation, and official corruption.”

    • armstp

      jg bennet,

      Labelling people is so lame. I am not sure what my label is. I don’t think I fall into any box. I don’t think many people fit into boxes. You clearly do not fit into a Republican box, as you have many views that are not very “Republican” or even conservative in the free-market sense.

    • sweatyb

      Trump is not a Neoliberal he is a Republican.

      You continue to redefine words (Republican) and introduce random jargon (Neoliberal) into the conversation. These words do not elicit greater understanding and you seem to enjoy using them explicitly because of their capacity to confuse what you’re saying.

      But I think, reading your posts, that you subscribe to that model of thinking that requires everyone to fit into a nice little box.

      As far as I can tell, right now you and Donald Trump exist in a box that you call “Republican” and everyone else exists in a box that you call “Neoliberal”.

      This type of categorization is notoriously prone to oversimplifications and mis-characterizations. Due to these flaws, it’s also an amazingly poor predictor of future outcomes.

      Trump is a B-list celebrity. His primary interest is enriching and aggrandizing himself. His political philosophy is whatever he thinks will get him the most publicity. His spots change like the weather and he has been like that for 30 years.

  • sweatyb

    get back to being real republicans like Trump.

    you’re just saying that to get a rise out of us, aren’t you.

  • ScoopAway

    jg bennet… how much do you get paid to constantly shill for Trump? Or is this endless gushing over the man merely evidence of your gigantic man-crush?

  • jg bennet

    no i’m serious

    here is something that i have pasted a few times this week but it is so relevant to the trump topic here it is again. read the whole article, open your minds and get off of this FDR neoliberal crapolla and get back to being real republicans.

    a real republican hero is ronald reagan correct?

    Trump is THE NEW REAGAN!! Read it from CATO institute….

    May 30, 1988
    The Reagan Record On Trade:
    Rhetoric Vs. Reality THE CATO INSTITUTE

    by Sheldon L. Richman

    Executive Summary

    When President Reagan imposed a 100 percent tariff on selected Japanese electronics in 1987, he and the press gave the impression that this was an act of desperation. Pictured was a long-forbearing president whose patience was exhausted by the recalcitrant and conniving Japanese. After trying for years to elicit some fairness out of them, went the story, the usually good-natured president had finally had enough.

    When newspapers and television networks announced the tariffs, the media reminded the public that such restraints were imposed by a staunch free trader. The less-than-subtle message was that if “Free Trader” Ronald Reagan thought the tariff necessary, then Japan surely deserved it. After more than seven years in office, Ronald Reagan is still widely regarded as a devoted free trader. A typical reference is that of Mark Shields, a Washington Post columnist, to Reagan’s “blind devotion to the doctrine of free trade.”

    If President Reagan has a devotion to free trade, it surely must be blind, because he has been off the mark most of the time. Only short memories and a refusal to believe one’s own eyes would account for the view that President Reagan is a free trader. Calling oneself a free trader is not the same thing as being a free trader. Nor does a free- trade position mean that the president, but not Congress, should have the power to impose trade sanctions. Instead, a president deserves the title of free trader only if his efforts demonstrate an attempt to remove trade barriers at home and prevent the imposition of new ones.

    By this standard, the Reagan administration has failed to promote free trade. Ronald Reagan by his actions has become the most protectionist president since Herbert Hoover, the heavyweight champion of protectionists.

    THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IS HERE http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa107.html

    • armstp

      I think Reagan and Trump were and are equally morons. They share the common trait of being able to bullshit with the best of them.

      CATO the “think” tank that has gotten it wrong for so long. Has CATO gotten it right about anything since the beginning of their existence?

      • jg bennet

        that is my point CATO is wrong and trump is right. i’m anti CATO they worship free trade

        CATO thinks free trade is the word of god!

        if you believe strongly enough that CATO’s ideas should be opposed on trade then support trump.

        obama lost me on free trade he agrees with CATO

        changing ones party choice on an important principle is making that “shared sacrifice” people are talking about. so vote trump :)

        i have never voted for a republican president, i’m a social liberal not lefty liberal and i’ll vote GOP if trump is the nominee.

        shocks me to think i’ll punch the red button instead of the blue…..

    • ram6968

      reagan?? please…he granted amnesty to illegals and raised taxes 6 of his 8 years in office….he would have to run as a democrat now

  • pnumi2

    I recently read that the CEO of Walmart warned that the prices they were paying for the imported products they sell were going to send their retail prices flying. And now jg bennet wants to put a tariff on finished goods imported from China and raise those prices even more.

    jg bennet you should show a little more concern for the lower middle classes and below who depend on the cheap prices at Walmart to survive and put aside your hatred and blame of China for all our problems.

  • jg bennet

    scoop

    it is a republican crush. i have never voted for a republican president because there has never been an actual republican to vote for. they have all been free trade pro sweatshop neoliberals.

    i’m dumping obama because he turned out to be a pro sweatshop anti american jobs neoliberal.

    for a while i thought he wasn’t and had a bit of reagan in him after he tariffed chinese tires. i thought “oh a hint of republicanism” then the korea and columbia trade deals came along and bye bye barry. so i’m excited that (Trump) a hamiltonian, lincoln, teddy roosevelt pro american economic school guy is in the running.

    for me it is huge, we have not had a real republican in dc since reagan.

    after reagan was no longer standing guard at our economic gate (see CATO clip above) is when we started our huge decline. it is not just me thinking this and it is not just sock making factories in the carolinas who have been decimated. it is serious “business”

    read this

    Intelligence Community Fears U.S. Manufacturing Decline

    The U.S. intelligence community has become concerned. Richard McCormack reported in Manufacturing & Technology News on February 3 that the Director of National Intelligence has initiated preparation of a National Intelligence Estimate to assess the security implications of waning manufacturing activity in America. National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative analyses prepared by the intelligence community, definitive interagency products typically reserved for the most serious threats. So the fact that the nation’s top intelligence official thinks a National Intelligence Estimate is needed for manufacturing isn’t a good sign. It suggests that America’s industrial decline is approaching the status of a crisis.
    http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2011/02/14/intelligence-community-fears-u-s-manufacturing-decline/

    trump’s real republican ideas of protectionism is a very serious issue to me because what he supports is what made america the greatest country in the world. the republicans and the american economic school of our founders is what made us great and free trade is now killing us.

    To quote Pat Buchanan
    “Ignorance of history is surely one explanation. How many know that every modern nation that rose to world power did so by sheltering and nurturing its manufacturing and industrial base — from Britain under the Acts of Navigation to 1850, to protectionist America from the Civil War to the Roaring Twenties, to Bismarck’s Germany before World War I, to Stalin’s Russia, to postwar Japan, to China today?

    No nation rose to world power on free trade. From Britain after 1860 to America after 1960, free trade has been the policy of powers that put consumption before production and today before tomorrow.

    Nations rise on economic nationalism; they descend on free trade.”

    • sweatyb

      Nations rise on economic nationalism; they descend on free trade

      This is two sides of the same coin. For a “rising nation”, free trade is synonymous with economic nationalism. That is, the goal of an economic nationalist government will be to open up as many markets as possible to their industry.

      If you have inefficient industries that are only able to survive due to protectionism (like American business in the 1950s-1980s), then fair trade is going to decimate your industrial capacity. However, if your industries are competitive and can stand on their own, trade will flourish, your economy will grow and you will rise.

      Tariffs and protectionism are tools the government will apply to open foreign markets and protect fledgling industry. But, in themselves, they are antithetical to the goal, which is increasing trade and growing the economy.

      What happened to England was stagnation in the face of growing international competition. They did not adapt to the new circumstances. England instead, attempted to cling to its industry and prop it up, not recognizing, as America did in the 90s, that they should be looking for new areas of growth. Because like England, though losing significant portions of its industrial base, American in the 90s still had advantages of prestige, access to capital, and a pro-growth environment for business.

    • ram6968

      forget trump…being president requires full disclosure…trump is not going to open the books…..not a chance

  • sweatyb

    @jg:

    Ahhh, I see. You are a dyed in the wool, American Exceptionalist. You truly believe that America can get by without the rest of the world, but the rest of the world cannot get by without us.

    You clearly are not willing to accept the proofs of the last 50 years. The rest of the world is busily outgrowing us. That means that for American companies, the best potential for growth is outside the US. There are very few American businesses that would benefit overall from a new round of protectionism and trade war.

    In fact, I can think of only one large and politically powerful industry in this country that would benefit.

    Agribusiness.

    • jg bennet

      sweaty

      Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      our founding document says we the people not we the corporations.

      the corporation as a person is a corrupt evolution via the 14th amendment that corporations used to become people. ……..

      Morton Mintz pointed out in the National Law Journal in an 1888 case that ignored the fact that “the only ‘person’ Congress had in mind when it adopted the 14th Amendment in 1866 was the newly freed slave.”

      Justice Black observed in the 1930s that in the first fifty years following the adoption of the 14th Amendment, “less than one-half of 1 percent of Supreme Court cases invoked it in protection of the Negro race, and more than 50 percent asked that its benefits be extended to corporations.”………….

      In the beginning, if you wanted to form a corporation you needed a state charter and had to prove it was in the public interest, convenience and necessity.

      Jefferson to the end opposed liberal grants of corporate charters and argued that states should be allowed to intervene in corporate matters or take back a charter if necessary.

      It wasn’t until after the Civil War that economic conditions turned sharply in favor of the large corporation.

      . . .*** The corporation killed the republican theory of the distribution of wealth and probably ended whatever was left of the political theory of republicanism as well***. . . .

      soo the point is the people should come before the corporation and that means protectionism. that at least was the original idea.

    • jg bennet

      gramps

      weel shiat spellin aint useful out here in the stix of texas and i forgit i’m in smart cumpany :)

      here is my last one for a while and it’s a good one. trump being interviewed on the radio by a washington post top gun. the show scrolls through in top middle wait for it and push play
      http://www.talk1300.com/

      oh and for all of the anti trump folks out there how bout these apples……alpha dog is in the house!!

      Donald Trump says he won’t announce until June whether he’ll throw his hat into the race as a Republican presidential hopeful, but an upcoming appearance in Washington could be calculated to hint that he’s going for it.

      Trump will attend the annual White House Correspondents’ Association dinner on ssociation dinner on April 30 as a guest of the Washington Post, specifically, his assistant adds, of Lally Weymouth, scion of the Post’s controlling Graham family.

      His attendance is notable as the event gives Trump an intimate opportunity to schmooze with the thousands of members of the media and other Washington elites who flock to the event known as Washington’s Prom.

      To date, no other high-profile potential Republican presidential contenders will be at the dinner, making it certain that The Donald will undoubtedly be buzzed-about while dining in the same room as President Obama.

      gramps
      干杯 (gan bei) see you in about a month and by then trump should be well ahead :)

    • ram6968

      outgrowing us?? maybe you should check the stats for each countries GDP….they got a LONG way to go

  • jg bennet

    pnum

    i am concerned for the lower class hence my support of protectionism.

    if we had not destroyed our factories those poor lower class folks would be knitting sweaters for 12 bucks an hour instead of flipping burgers for minimum wage. yes your sweater would cost more but we would not be living in a throw away society or be 14 trillion in debt either. our products a better quality anyway.

    protectionism is the economic theory of our founders and was at the core of republican thinking until richard nixon sold us down the yangze river in 1973.

    we all know nixon was a crook, correct? when nixon shook hands with mao in 1972 and dropped tariffs to never before lows in 1973 is when our decline as a manufacturing powerhouse and our becoming a debt junkie began. that is a historical fact.

    nixon was a crooked neoliberal and a betrayer of republican economic principles. are you a nixon neoliberal lover? you sure sound like one.

    • sweatyb

      i am concerned for the lower class hence my support of protectionism.

      Your understanding of economics must be very limited then. Lower costs of goods and services is a broad benefit. Loss of jobs is a narrow cost.

      our products a[SIC] better quality anyway.

      This is just not true. And anyone that lived through the “Buy American” phase knows it. The reason American manufacturing companies lost out is not because foreign companies were producing crappy products. It’s that they were producing better products that cost significantly less!

    • ram6968

      in the early 70′s they slapped a percentage tariff on foriegn steel….the american steel companies said thank you very much and raised their prices….oops…inflation

  • Saladdin

    JG,

    What on earth makes you think China would blandly accept 25% tarrifs? Also, what do you think Walmart and Target would do? Eat the costs? Please.

    Also, in re to Iraq, didn’t he argue that he was for the war as long as it was for oil. If we don’t get the oil, what’s the point? Wasn’t W’s idea that taking the oil would be the perfect reasoning for Western hatred throughout the Arab world?

    I honestly haven’t heard anything from Trump that qualifies as serious at all.

  • politicalfan

    I have to agree with armstp, I do think this will hurt his brand. If he really wants to be President, he will be confined to political correctness and he can’t fire everyone that disagrees with him.

    I think it will be an eye opener and for someone who has wealth and a ton of power, I don’t think it will be long term appealing to him if he has a chance to get in. He is on a major ego ride and our pop culture mentality will grow tired. I think he is better as Trump the business powerhouse versus President Trump. Wait until he meets Congress.

  • pnumi2

    @Saladdin
    “What on earth makes you think China would blandly accept 25% tarrifs? Also, what do you think Walmart and Target would do? Eat the costs? Please.”

    Absolutely correct. This is the essence of Capitalism: “You like what I sell and the price that I sell it, then take it or leave it.”

    jg bennet I don’t doubt your concern for the lower classes but you show it in a funny way.

    1) who destroyed the factories? Republican business men just like Trump.
    2) if our products better quality anyway why did Toyota beat out GM as the largest auto co?
    3) what does the economic theory of the (pre-industrial revolution) founders have to do with the global economy of today?
    4) When he went to China in 1972 he did so at the behest of the wealthy Republican Chairmen of the Board who put Nixon in office and then wanted to reduce their production costs — not to pass the savings on to their customers — but to capture it as increased corporate profits.
    5) to call Nixon a neoliberal is preposterous.
    6) to describe those who disagree with your convoluted view of China today neoliberal Nixon lovers
    only reveals the weakness of your argument.

    Walmart is the largest retailer in the world and the largest employer in America and buys 80% of its merchandise from China.

    For you argue that destroying its business model, which would cause higher price and less employees, is a good thing is astounding and sophomoric.

  • jg bennet

    nixon was a neoliberal

    Milton Friedman is most known as being the architect behind the neoliberal shift in economic policies, advocating extreme government deregulation and laissez-faire capitalism that allowed business to operate with virtually no governmental oversight.

    1968 – Friedman was advisor to Nixon campaign and subsequently adviser to President Nixon’s Administration.

    Kissinger helped push Nixon into allowing Chicago School Milton Friedman to test his neoliberal theories in Chile in 1973 when the CIA’s candidate lost in the election just prior to their staged coup.

    i could go on but you get the point.

    look if you are a republican you should be thrilled that a lifelong non GOP voter is taking an interest in the GOP because a guy like trump is attractive due to his real old school republican idea of america protectionism.

    i’m not the only one there are probably millions of us. look at his polling with indies & dems. we don’t like sweatshops we support american jobs, do not support outsourcing, believe the government should invest in infrastructure and all of the other goodies of the old american school of economics.

    trump appeals to a wider swath of the electorate from wing nut birthers, the tea party, unions and disillusioned obama voters like me. that is amazing and republicans call 70% of their voters and trump an idiot when there is a weak democratic president that he can drum.

    The NBC/WSJ internals show something is working for Trump. He draws mainly from voters with no college degree, and leads among both Tea Party supporters and “very conservative” Republicans, but his appeal, whatever it is, isn’t limited to the right wing. He’s also the top candidate among independents and Democrats who plan to vote in Republican primaries, as some states, including New Hampshire, allow.

    pictures are worth 1000 words, here is a “book” on the consequence of the neoliberal free trade philosophy and if you support free trade you support this…..there are volumes of others out there but this will do and this was before the recession so it is a great example.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov7yhByXdkQ

  • Frumplestiltskin

    another thread ruined by the delusional jgbennet. Oh well, shame I had to skip over so many posts avoiding his drivel.

  • Gramps

    What could possibly be cooler [does anyone still use cool?] than a “1992 redux”, in 2012…?

    “The Donald”…playing the part of “the little general, Ross Perot” plus some Mr. “No Oneknows” splitting the vote on the conservative, TP, side and the popular President Obama on the progressive side.

    Lordy…God’s gift to the people of the United States of America…
    Politics and war just ain’t fair, dammit…!

  • jg bennet

    frump

    don’t afraid to get in touch with your inner donald. you should read them you might learn something factual not the frumplestiltskin newsual.

    aaaand i’m spent……

    don’t worry frump i’ll be disappearing soon, i only get obsessed with forum when i’m between projects and have a big one coming up so don’t fret you can get back to newsual.

    • Gramps

      Hey jg_b…3 тоники водочки and you ferget to turn on yer spell checker…
      All the best on your new project!

  • Gramps

    jg bennet // Apr 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm :wrote…

    jg_b…yer supposed to reply under the latest post…?

    It’s rather presumptuous of you to assume that we have to read thru all the earlier responses, once again [or once again] to discern that you deemed some others’, comment necessary of your erudite and most valued, response…?

    “Courtesy is a virtue…!”

    We’ll miss you jg_b…despite yer obvious, shortcomings…
    Man hugs…!

  • politicalfan

    Good luck with your project jg-

    When Trump finally endorses his pick to run, we will disagree about what could have been. :)

  • Gramps

    jg bennet // Apr 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    干杯 (gan bei)…
    “Draining the cup”…”out of gas”…?
    So a new project will give new meaning…

    If you jg_b are in the northern hemisphere, It’s springtime…!

    [blockquote] “He had discovered a great law of human action, without knowing it–namely, in order to make a man or a boy covet a thing, it is only necessary to make the thing difficult to attain.”
    - The Adventures of Tom Sawyer [/blockquote]

  • Gramps

    jg_b…are you there..?

  • jakester

    I’m willing to give JG some credence. We should do something to shore up our manufacturing base and some tariffs here and there won’t hurt. After all, China’s cheap prices reflects poor pollution control and worse working conditions. So the China is getting ahead by polluting themselves and the rest of Asia then us, and creating a poisoned working class for them.

    • sweatyb

      JG isn’t advocating some tariffs “here and there” he’s advocating strict protectionism. the kind of tariffs that, according to his example, would employ Americans making sweaters at $12/hr.

      None of our trading partners would put up with such egregious manipulation of trade.

  • Felonious Munk

    I don’t know sweatyb, it seems to me JG is advocating the return to the original economic system that the country was founded on not this Richard Nixon system you so adamantly support. I’m not supporting anything Nixon was for, the guy was a total criminal and if he was for it there must be something nefarious to it. JG is starting to convince me and you know what I’m starting to like Donald Trump too. As far as the trading partners go who cares! They are getting the great end of the deal and we are getting the shaft so of course they won’t like it because their gravy train will end. The one sided trade deals do seem very Nixon-esque/crooked wouldn’t you say? Things could get very interesting, the unions are angry at Obama over the Columbia trade deal and they will run to the arms of The Donald if he courts them on the fair trade issue. I just Googled Trump and look what I found. Trump is dominating the primary choices so I don’t think JG is crazy he may be on to something. Anyway if this poll is a peek into the future the protectionist issue will be front and center in the primary and in 2012.

    FRIDAY, APRIL 15, 2011
    Trump takes the lead
    Only 38% of Republican primary voters say they’re willing to support a candidate for President next year who firmly rejects the birther theory and those folks want Mitt Romney to be their nominee for President next year. With the other 62% of Republicans- 23% of whom say they are only willing to vote for a birther and 39% of whom are not sure- Donald Trump is cleaning up. And as a result Trump’s ridden the controversy about Barack Obama’s place of birth to the highest level of support we’ve found for anyone in our national GOP polling so far in 2011.
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/04/trump-takes-lead.html

    • pnumi2

      Felonious M

      “I don’t know sweatyb, it seems to me JG is advocating the return to the original economic system that the country was founded on not this Richard Nixon system you so adamantly support.”

      And what was that olde economic system? A strip mall with a wheelwright, blacksmith, candlemaker and public tavern for every 2,000 American citizens?

      This is the 21st century. Things are not hand crafted any more. They are manufactured on assembly lines overseas by workers who work for a lot less than Americans. And if we were to use American labor at home, wouldn’t prices for finished goods go through the roof?

      Why not return to the original transportation system this country was founded on? We’d have your dog carts and your ox carts. The important post or mail coach. Wagons of all sizes and prices. Fancy carriages for the Tories and, if you could afford to keep a horse, a couple of them.

      Or the original system of health care? Leaches and cupping. And a leather belt to bite on when your leg was being amputated with a rusty knife.

      Many mistakes were made by the founders and the ministers that followed them in the early 19th century. Why didn’t we grab the Cantarell oil fields in Mexico when we won the Mexican American War? As long as we were taking other people’s land, why didn’t we take their oil as well?

      Same is true of the oil in Venezuela. How easy would it have been during the Spanish American War after grabbing Cuba and Puerto Rico to have reached into Venezuela, under the claim of Royalists of Mass Destruction, and set up a little protectorate encompassing the Orinoco Belt. It would make our lives so much easier today.

      Plus we deserve it, don’t we?