FF Exclusive: Did Weiner Lie to President Obama?

June 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm | 71 Comments |

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Rep. Anthony Weiner may have lied to President Obama directly about his Twitter scandal–denying outright to Obama that he tweeted a lewd photo of himself to a college student, FrumForum has learned.

A highly placed Democratic source told FrumForum that four days before his June 6 press conference, Weiner had a phone conversation with Obama in which Weiner aggressively denied that he had sent the now notorious photo of himself in his underwear.

According to the source:

“The congressman said fairly aggressively what he had been saying in the media. Not admitting that it was him in the pictures, not denying that it was him, but saying with certainty that he did not send them.”

If true, it would help explain why many leading Democrats are unhappy and refusing to support Weiner: having lied to their top guy, he showed that he was willing to bring down the entire party to protect himself.

FrumForum contacted the White House and DNC for comment, but has so far received no response.

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  • aml_reads

    while he claims that he didn’t actually touch any of those women, it sure does sound like he screwed the pooch.

  • sparse

    what a member of congress.

  • armstp

    Who cares! We have more important things to think about. Why does anyone care that Weiner sent “cock shots” over the Internet? Half the male U.S. population is doing this.

    • SteveThomas

      Really?! Are you trying to justify your own depraved behavior, or has your character sunk so low that you think that it is somehow okay for a married legislator to be sending photos of his erection around to women he’s never met? Furthermore, his lies to his defenders, some of whom enjoy high credibility, and who damaged their own reputations because of his manipulations is the height of unethical conduct. Granted, few of our legislators are paragons of virtue, but Weiner’s behavior plainly makes him ineligible to hold office. Character matters.

    • Bananabee

      @ARMSTP Maybe YOU are sending lewd photos of yourself over the internet but most of us aren’t. Weiner is a sad, self-loathing, lying, insecure pervert who is spent a week convincing us that he had been ‘hacked’ only to fess up once he had been caught with his pants down. He is everything that is wrong with politicians in America and he should get out now.

    • nwahs

      “Who cares! We have more important things to think about. Why does anyone care that Weiner sent “cock shots” over the Internet? Half the male U.S. population is doing this.”

      Um, no.

    • anniemargret

      armstp. Good grief. Half the men’s population is doing this? Really?

      Here’s the lowdown. A person in high profile, public service position, should have the decency and the morality and the character and the self-discipline to not involve him or herself in anything that would create headlines. How many more times are we, the citizenry of the USA, have to see moronic men act like a bunch of adolescents? How many times do we have to see the usual hurt wife and family while the guy is up there begging forgiveness and taking his eye off his required duty – to be a Congressman or Senator of the USA?

      Sorry….the man is a idiot. No person this stupid doing these stupid things should be in a position of power. If a person is involved in shenanigans and put them out there for the world to see, we are supposed to give him a pass? Every company has rules of conduct for their employees.

      Weiner crossed the Rubicon. He was arrogant in the extreme, as is most of these men in Congress. They don’t think common standards of decency apply to them. Phooey~ they do!

      btw…. your attack against the average citizen as being ‘repressed’ is ridiculous . Get it right. No one is ‘prying’ into his sexual life. HE put it out there! He did. no one else. Now his wife and family and friends have to cope with the aftermath and his reputation is shot…. that’s called reality, not ‘repression.’

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  • shivas irons

    Half the male U.S. population is doing this.

    That’s your best move?

    A Congressman sends a pic of his exploding appendage, while his pregnant wife working in the Middle East, then lies about it to all of western world, and the Prez, and you’re gonna go multi cultural on us?

    Maybe you can quantify your silly comment as well. That might be fun.

    Keep it up, please.

  • cporet

    It’s no shock he lied to the President. He lied to all of us.

  • Deep South Populist

    It wouldn’t surprise me. Weiner has a few screws loose, clearly.

  • Bananabee

    “Weiner is a sad, pathetic, insecure little man who has gone through his entire life with a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove because when he looks in the mirror Brad Pitt isn’t looking back at him. Instead of maturing beyond early adolescence, accepting his own body and physicality, and then striving to be a GOOD MAN instead of a merely PRETTY MAN, Weiner has gone through life trying to prove to HIMSELF that he is “attractive” by having as much sex as possible, up to and including internet sex with strangers. But no matter how much sex he has, when he looks in that mirror, it is still Anthony Weiner’s face looking back, attached to Anthony Weiner’s body – and that has bred nothing but raging self-loathing in him. Why would he do something so stupid? Why would he do something so incredibly risky? Why would he do something that could get him blackmailed EASILY? Because despite the attitude and the appearance of self-confidence and self-love, the guy hates himself, and we’re talking on a deep, existential level. I pity him. I truly do.”

  • Russnet

    What I can’t figure out is. . . Twitter??? Why not just parade around Times Square naked with a bag over your head? The level of security would be just about the same. Shockingly stupid.

  • armstp

    What makes the Anthony Weiner story somewhat unique and thus worth discussing for a moment is that, as Hendrik Hertzberg points out, the pretense of substantive relevance (which, lame though it was in prior scandals, was at least maintained) has been more or less brazenly dispensed with here. This isn’t a case of illegal sex activity or gross hypocrisy (i.e., David Vitter, Larry Craig, Mark Foley (who built their careers on Family Values) or Eliot Spitzer (who viciously prosecuted trivial prostitution cases)). There’s no lying under oath (Clinton) or allegedly illegal payments (Ensign, Edwards). From what is known, none of the women claim harassment and Weiner didn’t even have actual sex with any of them. This is just pure mucking around in the private, consensual, unquestionably legal private sexual affairs of someone for partisan gain, voyeuristic fun and the soothing fulfillment of judgmental condemnation. And in that regard, it sets a new standard: the private sexual activities of public figures — down to the most intimate details — are now inherently newsworthy, without the need for any pretense of other relevance.

    • elizajane

      armstp — completely agree.

    • anniemargret

      Hold on a minute…! Are you saying that any man in the halls of Congress or the POTUS cannot control his sexual desires or urges while he is in a position of power/authority/public eye? That as long as he has them, he should just let loose and who cares?

      gimme a break.

      As a liberal Democrat, I have my streak of conservatism. This is too much. I am sick and tired of these silly puerile men doing whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it, and then claiming it was some type of ‘addiction’ or ‘misjudgment’ etc…

      Everyone has desires. But not everyone acts on them, nor are we supposed to look up to people who take our trust and slam it. If a person in DC cannot keep their bodies out of the public eye, then they have no business even being there! When the leave office, and they want to make their families suffer, they can do whatever they want.

      In the meantime, they need to re-sign on to rules of conduct and decency! It’s called self-discipline, in case you forgot.

      • armstp

        anniemargaret,

        Where is the crime you seem to suggest? So you have a different view on things. Big deal. If Weiner wants to consentially send out pics so what? So you would not do it.

  • Russnet

    Relevance: absurd stupidity (supra), terrible judgment, lying to the media and apparently the president, and oh-by-the-way a total lack of respect for your new wife. Not to mention odd perversion. None of those are relevant?

    • TerryF98

      Stupid yes, immature yes, illegal no. Bad as Vitter who did not resign no. Bad as Kyle lying to the Senate about Planned Parenthood no. Bad as Ensign screwing the staff and paying a bribe to cover it up no.

      When Vitter and Kyle resign then Weiner should.

      • nwahs

        I think he should be the head of the Democratic party :) Some folks even think he epitomizes the Democratic party. “Ok, where are they going to put the Weiner now?”

        Yea, Democrats need to keep him. Seriously.

        • anniemargret

          take off the partisan hat, please.

          This is not a partisan issue. There are enough Republican and Democrats who made fools out of themselves to fill a vat.

          Let’s stick to the issue. Yes it is grossly unfair that Vitter was allowed to stay put after he also acted like a supreme jerk. The word is ….public. Public Office. In the Public’s Eye. Public Servant.

          These men are arrogant self-serving and selfish. They only care for what they want when they want it….to heck with the wife/kids/family/constituents, etc…

          How about the public finally saying to elected official that we expect them to act with decency and decorum and show integrity and class while in office?

          Is that too much to ask?

  • PracticalGirl

    armstp brings in a point that should cause all,, regardless of party affiliation, to pause:

    And in that regard, it sets a new standard: the private sexual activities of public figures — down to the most intimate details — are now inherently newsworthy, without the need for any pretense of other relevance.

    Indeed, we all need to be wary of the private/public bleed. The problem with Weiner? His were not sexual activities conducted in any way that could have a reasonable expectation of privacy. When you play out your personal fantasy life in a public venue, you leave it open to public accessibility. Especially if your political style is bombastic and attack-dog, this is a very dangerous way to live. Weiner’s actions, given the target he made himself, are almost as stupid as Gary Hart inviting reporters to follow him around.

    That this entire conversation continues to circulate prominently is the best reason of all: Weiner’s got to go.

  • LFC

    aml_reads said… it sure does sound like he screwed the pooch.

    Oh dear god. Don’t tell me there’s pictures of that as well!

    I actually agree with a number of comments above, both left and right, but perhaps not the outcomes people believe should occur. Do I think Weiner should resign? Unless it comes to light that he did something illegal, definitely no. Do I think people will consider this when if he runs again? Yes, and how much it matters to them is their own personal business.

    Saying that, it was right for Spitzer to step down and Vitter should as well because what they did was illegal. It doesn’t matter whether they lied for ‘fessed up about it, they broke the law. While apparently not illegal, Charlie Rangel broke the House rules and he should resign as well.

  • abk1985

    [q]
    down to the most intimate details — are now inherently newsworthy[/q]

    No, they aren’t, unless they are presented to the public: which is PRECISELY what Weiner did, inadvertently or not.

    And we are leaving aside the fact that he lied about his conduct for several days (including to the POTUS as this article actually claims), and according to other sources engaged in a calculated smear campaign of Andrew Breitbart. These are the real reasons he is unfit for office.

    Incidentally, his lying also caused numerous “progressive” attack dogs to put their own integrity on the line: they can thank Weiner for that as well.

    • armstp

      “…unless they are presented to the public…”

      Can someone explain to me how Weiner made this public? Do you consider private emails or a private twitter message as being public?

      Is that how you live your life? You assume every email you send will be made public for the world to see?

      • SteveThomas

        The tweet that started all this was sent to multiple people. Weiner himself made his pecker pecadillos public.

        • armstp

          SteveThomas,

          That is not true. He did not blast his emails out to the world. He sent specific emails to specific people. It came out because one of those he very specifically sent his email to made it public through Breitbart. Weiner never made his emails public.

  • abk1985

    I should add as a libertarian conservative that I agree with the idea that “you can’t legislate morality.” But people will act, comment, and vote based on their moral views. If most people, and that includes most of Weiner’s constituents, have the same moral view of Weiner’s actions that I do, and everyone I have spoken about it with in _real life_, not only will he not be elected in 2012 he is politically useless to the Democratic Party. But time will tell. I really don’t care.

    • anniemargret

      He is now useless to the Democrats. Instead of focusing on the important issues affecting every American, we have to now pretend that Weiner still has the clarity of thought and integrity that we thought he had, but now know doesn’t.

      We don’t need to be discussing Congressmens’ sexual interests – but that fault lies not with the public as some here claim they do, but with the *congressman* himself.

  • shivas irons

    as Hendrik Hertzberg points out

    Oh, you read that piece of crap. Defenestrating such silliness like dragging a comb across my head.

    And, considering your reference point, nevermind.

  • hp_loveshaft

    From this column: “If true, it would help explain why many leading Democrats are unhappy and refusing to support Weiner: having lied to their top guy…”

    Yeah…lying to all of his voters, the media, and all of America was no big deal. Lying to Obama? A mortal sin!

    Some people’s priorities are really, really out of whack.

    • TerryF98

      You seem to think that “all of America” actually give a shit!

      You are deluded.

      “all of America” have better and more important things to think and worry about.

  • nhthinker

    Noah’s premise to total garbage.

    Why would any reasonable person think that lying to the President on a direct phone call is any worse than lying to all the American people on multiple TV interviews?
    Unless of course, Noah thinks lying to the public but telling the truth to your cabal is less worthy of expulsion.

    If Weiner told the President the truth during the phone call and the President sat on the knowledge of a public lie for days… now that would be a story a reasonable person might be interested in.

    • nwahs

      Would you want to be known as the President that got Weinered? That would have been a headline – “Obama gets Weinered” Oh well, we all got Weinered.

      • anniemargret

        Lying to the POTUS just takes it to another level. No one needs to have a degree in astrophysics to understand this. Weiner obviously started lying and kept on lying. Lies beget lies.

        When you live in a lie, that’s what happens… unfortunately for him, and for his family.

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  • armstp

    Yes, Anthony Weiner lied — about something that is absolutely nobody’s business but his and his wife’s. If you’re not his wife, you have absolutely no legitimate reason to want to know about — let alone pass judgment on — what he does in his private sexual life with other consenting adults. Particularly repellent is the pretense of speaking out on behalf of his wife, as though anyone knows what her perspectives on such matters are or what their relationship entails. The only reason to want to wallow in the details of Anthony Weiner’s sex life is because of the voyeuristic titillation it provides: a deeply repressed culture celebrates when it finds cause to be able to talk about penises and naked pictures and oral sex while hiding behind some noble pretext. On some level, I find the behavior of the obviously loathsome Andrew Breitbart preferable; at least he’s honest about his motive: he hates Democrats and liberals and wants sadistically to destroy them however he can. It’s the empty, barren, purse-lipped busybodies who cannot stay out of other adults’ private and sexual lives — while pretending to be elevated — that are the truly odious villains here.

    • abk1985

      The only person around here being self-righteous is you.

      And no one here is reading Weiner’s “private emails.”

      To recap, he POSTED A PHOTO OF HIS JUNK on the internet for all the world to see. Then he lied about it for several days. Then he conspired to orchestrate a campaign to get Breitbart. Then even more sordid and sleazy details emerged.

      I do not pretend that my private morality is everyone’s morality. Nor do I pretend that how I evaluate people is universal to everyone else. However, I have to say that the people who I have talked to about this in the real world (not in a partisan blog like this one) are universal in regarding his conduct as shameful, disgusting, ridiculous, unbelievable, immature, stupid, and an entire litany of negative adjectives. I mean, in the real world that’s the way most people feel.

      Women in particular consider his infidelity to his wife unacceptable: because, make no mistake, he was unfaithful to his wife even if he didn’t put you know what you know where. It doesn’t work like that. It’s a simple experiment: take a cell phone shot of your junk, send it to a woman you do not know, tell your wife about it, and see how she reacts. 90% of the time she will be outraged and you will be sleeping on the couch. You might even have ended the relationship right there.

      Now someone can say that people shouldn’t vote or not vote or support or not support people on the basis of their fidelity to their spouses (or wives or husbands, what have you.) But the fact is that many people do. I mean look at Newt Gingrich, to name one. This is the real world we are talking about. Therefore we can expect that a number of people, who take marriage seriously, are not going to vote for Weiner anymore.

      Another angle is abuse of power: I am talking about the attacks on Breitbart. That alone will make him unacceptable to others.

      Yet another angle is the lying, and abuse of the trust of his many supporters. That, too, weakens his support.

      Finally, there is the angle of his having made himself ridiculous. I am sorry, but if I KNOW that a candidate for public office takes photos of his genitals and sends them around to people I won’t be able to stop laughing long enough to vote for him. I also, frankly, really wouldn’t want to get to know him, go to his house, let him in my house, leave him alone with my kids, or my dog, or anything. I mean that whole scene is just too weird — FOR ME — and while I wouldn’t hold a grudge or snub him in the street I would as a practical matter want to have as little to do with him as possible. And why do I know this about him? BECAUSE HE PUT IT ON DISPLAY.

      Of course, you clearly feel different. Cheers! But I am fairly convinced that he is now a fairly useless spokesman for the Democrat party.

      • anniemargret

        Perfectly Said.

      • armstp

        abk,

        You need to get your facts straight.

        “To recap, he POSTED A PHOTO OF HIS JUNK on the internet for all the world to see. “ No he did not post his photo on the Internet for all the world to see. He sent pictures via email to a very specific people. There was no post to the Internet. As with all emails those were considered private emails.

        One of the women he sent an email to then gave the photos to Breitbart. It was Breitbart who actually revealed these private emails to the world. Why did Breitbart do that? Was there any crime committed? Was he doing it to show the hypocracy of Weiner? No and No. It was a purely political move to embarras Weiner by revealing his private emails to the world.

        “Women in particular consider his infidelity to his wife unacceptable:..” This statement is a bit over the top. You have a pretty open definition of infidelity. Infidelity is generally take to mean sexually unfaithful where there is an actual physical sexual act that has taken place.

        I will give you the lying, but not the attacks against that scumbag Brietbart. Brietbart once again demonstrated himself a scumbag by reveal the personal and private emails of Weiner. Weiner broke no laws, he had sex with no one so this is not about infidelity and he was not a hypocrite as he has never preached his morals on you or me. This is just pure politics.

        • abk1985

          “”“Women in particular consider his infidelity to his wife unacceptable:..” This statement is a bit over the top. You have a pretty open definition of infidelity. Infidelity is generally take to mean sexually unfaithful where there is an actual physical sexual act that has taken place.”"

          Not over the top at all. Ask any woman. For that matter, ask any man in a serious relationship with someone he loves. Infidelity doesn’t happen when sexual intercourse takes place. If that were the criterion, we’d be arguing about whether wearing a condom or not ejaculating mitigated the sin.

        • armstp

          abk,

          Your definition of infidelity is ridiculous. Next you will be saying that looking at another woman or man is infidelity. Give me a break. I know you want to stretch this incident to make it bigger than it is, but your comments are ridiculous.

    • SteveThomas

      Weiner made his “private” masturbatory life public when he tweeted his crotch to dozens of people. No one else exposed him; he exposed himself. Repeatedly it would seem.

  • sinz54

    Kristula-Green: “If true, it would help explain why many leading Democrats are unhappy and refusing to support Weiner”

    Obama is not LBJ.
    Unlike LBJ, there are no consequences for crossing Obama.

    I believe the real reason the Dems are upset with Weiner is that they just don’t want the country talking about Weiner when the Dems were succeeding at controlling the narrative about the Ryan budget plan.

    The Dems had put the GOP on the defensive with the Dems’ blatant lies about Ryan taking Medicare away from those elderly who are already on Medicare. (It does no such thing, as anyone who reads the plan will see.)

    And then along came Weiner’s tweets and his lies about them, and all of a sudden, nobody is paying attention to the Dems’ message on the Ryan plan. The Dems want to make Ryan the issue, not Weiner.

    And that’s why the Dems are furious:

    Weiner knocked them off message.

    • anniemargret

      Well, duh. Of course it knocked them off message. And if a Republican comes along tomorrow and commits a similar idiotic act, the GOP would be hoping to get pass the discussion as well.

      So what? We’re talking politics, right? Weiner is now a useless Democrat. I used to like his fiery style and many of the things he spoke about were spot on. I am hugely disappointed and angry that he would take so serious a position, so much potential, and throw it away on some selfish, supremely arrogant and disgusting behavior for all the world to see.

      Disappointment is not even the word. Horrified. For him, his wife, his family. I’m just glad his child is not old enough to be embarrassed by ‘Dad’ sending photos of himself all over the Net.

      The only people here to feel sorry for is his family who still love him, but are now struggling with his ‘mistake.’

  • Argy F

    The best take on this whole situation that I’ve read thus far is the Glenn Greenwald piece in salon:
    http://tinyurl.com/3ogu5gx

    P.S. I agree with you armstp. I assume you’ve read the piece I reference as well ;)

    P.P.S. I did NOT intend my post as a slam against armstp although I admit I did joke about the plagiarism. Also, I am SINCERE in my agreement with Greenwald on this matter.

    • abk1985

      Thanks for making it clear that armstrp is either Glenn Greenwald or else someone who simply recycles Greenwald’s material.

      I can respect Greenwald’s admonishment that we should respect personal privacy, especially in the sexual realm. However, three points. #1 – Weiner exposed himself. #2 – He lied, and he abused his power. #3 – The vast majority of Americans do not take photos of their genitals and post them to the internet. Period. Greenwald is entitled to obiter dicta like the following:

      Millions upon millions of people at some point do what Weiner did. I know that’s a shocking revelation that will cause many Good People to clutch their pearls in fragile Victorian horror, but it’s nonetheless true. It’s also true that marital infidelity is incredibly common.

      And I am entitled to call it the spinach it is.

      • anniemargret

        …and there are millions and millions of folks who don’t and won’t do what Weiner did. And millions and millions of folks who stay true to their vows.

        Unbelievable, huh?

        So what is this? Some people act like self-serving idiots, and that makes it all OK? There was a time when men routinely beat their wives into submission. Millions of men did it. It was wrong then, it is wrong now, no matter what the percentage is.

        This is a stupid argument.

        • armstp

          anniemargaret,

          You seem to be taking this over the top.

          “…stay true to their vows…” What vows did he break or not stay truthful to?

          “There was a time when men routinely beat their wives into submission.” This statement seems a little extreme. So you are comparing Weiner sending a few pics to beating wives into submission?

    • SteveThomas

      Beautiful. This board’s most vocal defender of unethical depraved behaviour in our public officials is a plagiarist. Careful armstp, uncredited quoting of other peoples’ material may be a crime, and is certainly ethically questionable, if not downright sleazy.

      • armstp

        stevethomas,

        It is a blog not a literary journal. Nothing wrong in cutting and pasting. There are no rules. The point is the point. “ethically questionable” that is a bit extreme. Sorry in a quick message blog it is not important to have all the proper links and sources cited. Who cares…? Again the point is the point..

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  • abk1985

    Kirsten Powers, a former girlfriend of Wiener, has this to say:

    “In an interview with Greta Van Susteren the evening of Weiner’s tearful press conference, I told her I didn’t believe he needed to resign because his behavior was not related to his official capacity and that this was between him and his wife and, ultimately, the voters. Yes, he lied, I acknowledged, but everyone lies in sex scandals.

    But even if I could see past the lying and extreme narcissism that is noteworthy even by Washington standards, there is the issue of his attitude toward women. What has emerged is a picture of a predator trolling the Internet for women—some half his age—with which to engage in cybersex. We know only about the women who were responsive to his overtures. The odds are very high that he struck out with many, and other women were victim to his unsolicited sex talk. Women should be able to “friend” a married—or unmarried—congressman on Facebook or follow him on Twitter without fear of being the recipient of lewd talk or behavior. Just because a woman “likes” your video on Facebook doesn’t mean you can send her a picture of your penis. This is textbook sexual harassment. It may not be illegal, but it’s definitely unethical. He is in a position of influence, and many women—especially a 21-year-old—would be afraid to report a congressman doing that to them because he holds so much power. Also, he claims none of the women he contacted were underage, but how could he possibly know that?”

    • armstp

      abk,

      “…there is the issue of his attitude toward women.” This is another extreme over the top statement.

      “What has emerged is a picture of a predator trolling the Internet for women.” Really, a predator? You are nuts. By the way not one single woman complained about anything that Weiner did. So I am not sure your over-the-top commentary applies here. By the way there is no evidence that he was sending pictures unsolicited like you suggest.

      “This is textbook sexual harassment.” Really? Where? You are the first of anyone to say this. So you know something that no one else knows, including those who actually received his messages.

      • abk1985

        armpit: If you can actually read, you will see that am quoting an ex-girlfriend of Anthony Weiner. So take it up with her.

        As for Weiner’s modus operandi, i.e., engage in banter with people on your twitter and facebook account, identify the one’s who are women, flirt, and then surprise them with a picture of your penis “as part of a joke” — yes, I think that does qualify as sexual harrassment.

        • armstp

          abk,

          You seem to think you know alot about what happened. The truth is you do not. How come not one single woman is actually complaining? And how do you not know the woman did not ask him to send a picture of his dick? You have no idea. What we do know is that no one that he sent the emails to is complaining except you. Sexual harassment? That is a joke. So nobody can consensually have a sexual explicit email exchange with the opposite sex without it being considered sexual harassment or infidelity? Ridiculous.

  • anniemargret

    abk. Good assessment.

    He played with fire…and got burned. Badly .

  • nwahs

    I hope he stays. Its essentially a no seat, and it will encourage them to remove the district. Either way he’s done. This way, we can have a few laughs with juvenile humor.

    I LOVED Stewart’s line. ” He apologized to Clinton? For what, copyright infringement??” That’s funny :)

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  • armstp

    Can one even imagine how much different — and better — our political culture would be if our establishment media devoted even a fraction of the critical scrutiny and adversarial energy it devoted to the Weiner matter to things that actually matter? But that won’t happen, because the people who comprise that press corps, with rare exception, are both incapable of focusing on things that matter and uninterested in doing so. Talking about shirtless pictures and expressing outrage about private sexual behavior — like some angry, chattering soap opera fan furious that one of their best-known characters cheated — is about the limit of their abilities and their function. And doing so is so easy, so fun, so self-justifying, and so exciting in that evasively tingly sort of way.

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/06/07/weiner/index.html

    (for those who must have the source)

  • Rabiner

    Sorry but I don’t see how this is an ‘Exclusive’. You have no proof beyond hearsay of 1 source which you don’t even identify.

  • Slide

    To all of those that are saying that Weiner should resign yada yada yada. I have two words for you, Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did much worse. He actually had physical sexual relations with a subordinate. That is exponentially worse than what Weiner did. Oh, and there were calls for Clinton to resign of course. Damn glad he didn’t. He was an effective president and the last time I looked his approval ratings are in the stratosphere.

    I’m so sick and tired of all the moral scolds that want everyone to live the type of life THEY deem appropriate. Weiner’s sexual activities have nothing to do with his public life. Period.

    The latest poll of his constituents seems to agree with me with 56% to 30% saying he should NOT resign. He represents them. Not anniemargret. Not nwahs. Not sparse.

    He did not break any law.
    He did not violate the public trust.
    He did not engage in any activity that was not consensual.
    He didn’t even cheat on his wife (physically) as had JFK, Eisenhower, FDR, John McCain, Prince Charles, Rudy Guiliani, Newt Gingrich….

    The only victims here are himself, his wife and those that supported him. And guess what, his wife is still very much with him and as I indicated his constituents continue to support him as well. So he should resign to please his enemies? Those that hated his guts to begin with because of how effective he was at eviscerating the right wing talking points?

    Oh and anniemargret I love your posts in general. I think you are insightful, non partisan, fair and on the money 99% of the time but you are so over the top and shrill on this issue. I’m sorry, I don’t go to the polls to elect a priest or a minister. I am interested in his public service morality not what he does behind closed doors. And no, it does NOT translate that “if he lied to his wife, how can we trust him?” nonsense . Please give me a break.

    I am glad Bill Clinton didn’t resign and I am glad that Weiner is honoring his constituents wishes and is also not succumbing to the enormous pressure being put on him now to resign.

    enough with the silliness. . .

    • abk1985

      “He did not violate the public trust.”

      Yes, he did. He conspired with his congressional staff to smear Breitbart. He lied to his constituents, his media defenders, his congressional peers, and the POTUS. He used his persona as an agent of the US government to acquire followers on the internet with whom he would then engage in childish sexual banter and to whom he would send emails — “as part of a joke” — that were graphic and offensive in nature, including to some of his surprised fans.

      He certainly did violate the public trust. That is why he is useless to the Democratic Party.

      The photos themselves merely make Anthony Weiner — as a man — appear stupid and ridiculous. His conspiracy and coverup are the reasons he is should go. But if he stays, I really don’t care. As a Republican, he is welcome to weigh down the Dems as long as he wants.

  • chicagodem79

    @Slide

    Bravo, couldn’t have said it any better myself.

  • PracticalGirl

    Appears that Congress has decided that Twitter may not be the best way to spend their time

    Twitter use down 28% in the wake of Weinergate

    http://www.mediabistro.com/alltwitter/weinergate-infographic_b10010

  • Slide

    abk1985 // Jun 10, 2011 at 11:20 am: “He used his persona as an agent of the US government to acquire followers on the internet with whom he would then engage in childish sexual banter and to whom he would send emails — “as part of a joke” — that were graphic and offensive in nature, including to some of his surprised fans. ”

    This is the type of silliness I am talking about. Used is personna? Yes, that is so unique and rare that men in power attract women. Oh my God, stop the presses. Oh… and when some of these women that were attracted to this man in power engaged in CONSENSUAL childish sexual banter the world has come to an end as we know it. Decadence is upon up. This is the fall of the Roman Empire.

    An email or photo cannot be offensive unless someone is offended. None of the woman that have been involved with Weiner has said anything of the sort. As much as some would like to make it out as if these women were somehow victims the charge just does not stick. They were WILLING participants. Do you not think that some Congressmen might end up in a DC bar and that some women, being attracted to a powerful man might cozy up to them for some childish sexual banter? Is that a “resigning” offense as well? Is it somehow different because it was online rather than in a saloon. This is just silly nonsense. Get over it. It’s none of your business what he does in his private life with consensual partners.

  • abk1985

    “An email or photo cannot be offensive unless someone is offended.”

    – Clearly some were offended. Or don’t you keep up with the media? Furthermore, why do you think they disclosed the various emails and so forth? Because they felt it was inappropriate.

    And for the record, I don’t care about his private sexual activities.

    I do care about his abuse of his power and his office for his sexual gratification, and the abuse of his office by lying, and the abuse of his office by orchestrating a campaign to smear Breitbart.

    Clearly, you don’t think the abuse of social position for sexual gratification is a problem, or even an issue. Good for you. But if you wish to sign off on public officials lying for their personal gain or protection, and using the powers of their office to smear individual citizens, then you are, I submit, beyond the pale.

    • armstp

      abk,

      blah, blah, blah…

      You have no idea of details of the exchanges of emails that occured. For all we knew the woman he sent the penis shot too could have asked him to send the pic.

      I think one of the woman sent the email to Brietbart (why did she pick Brietbart?) because she was likely a Republican who saw this as an opportunity to embarrass a Democrat by revealing his private emails.

  • Slide

    abk1985 // Jun 10, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    “– Clearly some were offended. Or don’t you keep up with the media? Furthermore, why do you think they disclosed the various emails and so forth? Because they felt it was inappropriate.”

    No, I haven’t found it necessary to follow every single detail about the affair as apparently you do. Why is that you think? Why are you so interested one wonders? So please get me up to speed and show me the sources where the women he communicated with articulated their displeasure and offense. Can you do that for me?