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		<title>By: ww_todo</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fallout-of-the-nfls-rush-shutout/comment-page-2#comment-69861</link>
		<dc:creator>ww_todo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....now that your angry at the truth and calling me a rascist, ignorant, pig.  I&#039;m not white, I&#039;m a legal-immigrant, and I grew up very poor with lifelong left-wing parents.  Yeah, I was bitten by a smidgeon of intelligence and the desire to use MULTIPLE sources to gain information.  Go back to being angry now - or - listen and research information that you&#039;re not comfortable with and learn (confirm or dispute your beliefs, but be fully conversant).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.now that your angry at the truth and calling me a rascist, ignorant, pig.  I&#8217;m not white, I&#8217;m a legal-immigrant, and I grew up very poor with lifelong left-wing parents.  Yeah, I was bitten by a smidgeon of intelligence and the desire to use MULTIPLE sources to gain information.  Go back to being angry now &#8211; or &#8211; listen and research information that you&#8217;re not comfortable with and learn (confirm or dispute your beliefs, but be fully conversant).</p>
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		<title>By: ww_todo</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fallout-of-the-nfls-rush-shutout/comment-page-1#comment-69859</link>
		<dc:creator>ww_todo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just amazed at how venomous anti-Limbaugh (and somehow, Palin, McCain, etc.) comments are from people who assert that Limbaugh is insensitive.  I&#039;ve also not seen anti-Limbaugh comment on how a business, the NFL, has excluded someone from being involved in a business purely because he exercises his freedom of speech.  I assume that if that was Sharpton, Jackson, a Kennedy, or any other left-of-center person then the ACLU and many of &#039;you&#039; would be saying &quot;you can&#039;t penalize him for stating his opinion.&quot;, even if he&#039;s caught lying and making very insensitive statements about a race other than his own (like Sharpton and Jackson have).   It was a GREAT idea by the NFL not to have Limbaugh in the league, he&#039;s devisive to many who fail to be self-aware.  He says things that are blunt, direct, and usually sourced...but they&#039;re certainly not sensitive to anyone - whites included.  Then again, so have MANY of my liberal, female, and minority friends in the meanest of terms when they don&#039;t think anyone is listening.  To confine it to conservatives, males, and whites  is folly, ridiculous, and plain ol&#039; incorrect.

Sadly, to say that in just one year there have been insensitive things said about Obama...and be surprised, is just disingenuous, or again, not self-aware.  We all should remember anti-Bush posters (with Hitler mustaches, etc.), stickers, and reports that were extremely unflattering - and often inflammatory.  Were you upset by those insensitive characterizations as well?  Are you willing to admit that Obama&#039;s policies have driven up unemployment, divided the country, put more American soldiers at risk in Afghanistan (a war he DID run on for President), and looks to create massive government social programs that will change a democratic and capitalist America (maybe for the good for some of you)?  Bush didn&#039;t do that, and really, don&#039;t try to blame the man (Bush) for anything that Congress wasn&#039;t complicite in (including Pelosi and the &#039;progressives&#039;).  What don&#039;t you like, that he had the same information as the rest of the free world (34 countries) that voted to go to war, including your Congress?  That he didn&#039;t bail out failing banks and car companies?  That &#039;he&#039; inherited a recession? That he speaks realllllly poorly? That he gave more money to sub-Saharan Africa than any President in history? That he tried to offer &#039;illegal&#039; working immigrants amnesty?  

Please be intellectually honest, meet in the middle, and make positive change!...especially you RoundBOTTOMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just amazed at how venomous anti-Limbaugh (and somehow, Palin, McCain, etc.) comments are from people who assert that Limbaugh is insensitive.  I&#8217;ve also not seen anti-Limbaugh comment on how a business, the NFL, has excluded someone from being involved in a business purely because he exercises his freedom of speech.  I assume that if that was Sharpton, Jackson, a Kennedy, or any other left-of-center person then the ACLU and many of &#8216;you&#8217; would be saying &#8220;you can&#8217;t penalize him for stating his opinion.&#8221;, even if he&#8217;s caught lying and making very insensitive statements about a race other than his own (like Sharpton and Jackson have).   It was a GREAT idea by the NFL not to have Limbaugh in the league, he&#8217;s devisive to many who fail to be self-aware.  He says things that are blunt, direct, and usually sourced&#8230;but they&#8217;re certainly not sensitive to anyone &#8211; whites included.  Then again, so have MANY of my liberal, female, and minority friends in the meanest of terms when they don&#8217;t think anyone is listening.  To confine it to conservatives, males, and whites  is folly, ridiculous, and plain ol&#8217; incorrect.</p>
<p>Sadly, to say that in just one year there have been insensitive things said about Obama&#8230;and be surprised, is just disingenuous, or again, not self-aware.  We all should remember anti-Bush posters (with Hitler mustaches, etc.), stickers, and reports that were extremely unflattering &#8211; and often inflammatory.  Were you upset by those insensitive characterizations as well?  Are you willing to admit that Obama&#8217;s policies have driven up unemployment, divided the country, put more American soldiers at risk in Afghanistan (a war he DID run on for President), and looks to create massive government social programs that will change a democratic and capitalist America (maybe for the good for some of you)?  Bush didn&#8217;t do that, and really, don&#8217;t try to blame the man (Bush) for anything that Congress wasn&#8217;t complicite in (including Pelosi and the &#8216;progressives&#8217;).  What don&#8217;t you like, that he had the same information as the rest of the free world (34 countries) that voted to go to war, including your Congress?  That he didn&#8217;t bail out failing banks and car companies?  That &#8216;he&#8217; inherited a recession? That he speaks realllllly poorly? That he gave more money to sub-Saharan Africa than any President in history? That he tried to offer &#8216;illegal&#8217; working immigrants amnesty?  </p>
<p>Please be intellectually honest, meet in the middle, and make positive change!&#8230;especially you RoundBOTTOMS.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/fallout-of-the-nfls-rush-shutout/comment-page-1#comment-68509</link>
		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One quote, manufactured or not would not have forced him out of the deal. It&#039;s 25 years of similar quotes that did it. A group that relies so heavily on black players was not going to tolerate Rush Limbaugh&#039;s presence among the ranks of the owners.

You may enjoy Rush&#039;s bomb throwing racial provocation but a lot of people don&#039;t. Limbaugh was hoist by his own petard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One quote, manufactured or not would not have forced him out of the deal. It&#8217;s 25 years of similar quotes that did it. A group that relies so heavily on black players was not going to tolerate Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s presence among the ranks of the owners.</p>
<p>You may enjoy Rush&#8217;s bomb throwing racial provocation but a lot of people don&#8217;t. Limbaugh was hoist by his own petard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dblade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, you all seem to miss the point. As I understand it, that&#039;s almost a libelous thing, manufacturing a racist quote that did not exist in order to torpedo Rush&#039;s reputation and force him out of a deal. If the quote was not said at all, regardless if he even has been flippant or satirical to the point of insensitivity, something is seriously wrong. 

The handling of the quote gives real credence to accusations of media bias and unfairness, and the whole geroge w bush term before has shown that the left-wing media really has no scruples over this kind of tactic. The difference was dan rather got fired for being proven wrong. The case for the limbaugh quote is even flimsier-rather could be accused of not checking a source enough, but he at least didn&#039;t fabricate a quote out of whole cloth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, you all seem to miss the point. As I understand it, that&#8217;s almost a libelous thing, manufacturing a racist quote that did not exist in order to torpedo Rush&#8217;s reputation and force him out of a deal. If the quote was not said at all, regardless if he even has been flippant or satirical to the point of insensitivity, something is seriously wrong. </p>
<p>The handling of the quote gives real credence to accusations of media bias and unfairness, and the whole geroge w bush term before has shown that the left-wing media really has no scruples over this kind of tactic. The difference was dan rather got fired for being proven wrong. The case for the limbaugh quote is even flimsier-rather could be accused of not checking a source enough, but he at least didn&#8217;t fabricate a quote out of whole cloth.</p>
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		<title>By: andydp</title>
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		<dc:creator>andydp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks.  The quote above should have read:  &quot;...anti anything not smacking of conservatism&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks.  The quote above should have read:  &#8220;&#8230;anti anything not smacking of conservatism&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: andydp</title>
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		<dc:creator>andydp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush Limbaugh painted himself into a corner.  His vituperative talk and his anti anything not smacking of liberalism has made him toxic to any non conservative, non political organization he might associate itself with.  

The NFL and the partnership involved are a private enterprise and allowed to do what they want; something Rush has always defended.  In this case, they did not want him as a partner as is their right.  I&#039;m sure the other owners thought of the specter of Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson leading mass demonstration against Rush outside NFL stadiums.

Was it fair ? No.  Was it within the rights of the NFL or the other partners to drop Rush like a radioactive hot potato ?  Yes it was.  Does Rush have to sleep in the bed he made ? Yes.

Perhaps next time Rush should remember the words of Jackie Gleason&#039;s Ralph Cramden:  I got a BIIIIIG Mouth !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush Limbaugh painted himself into a corner.  His vituperative talk and his anti anything not smacking of liberalism has made him toxic to any non conservative, non political organization he might associate itself with.  </p>
<p>The NFL and the partnership involved are a private enterprise and allowed to do what they want; something Rush has always defended.  In this case, they did not want him as a partner as is their right.  I&#8217;m sure the other owners thought of the specter of Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson leading mass demonstration against Rush outside NFL stadiums.</p>
<p>Was it fair ? No.  Was it within the rights of the NFL or the other partners to drop Rush like a radioactive hot potato ?  Yes it was.  Does Rush have to sleep in the bed he made ? Yes.</p>
<p>Perhaps next time Rush should remember the words of Jackie Gleason&#8217;s Ralph Cramden:  I got a BIIIIIG Mouth !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Far too many conservatives don’t understand how they subtly characterize non-whites and those of non-European descent as evil / dangerous / anti-American.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Subtle? I don&#039;t think they know the meaning of the word. From our perspective it&#039;s damn overt but not being black or actually knowing any blacks or non-whites they insult and demean us all the time.

Obama&#039;s been president less than a year, in which time we&#039;ve seen a dozen incidents of watermelon jokes, witch doctor references, gorilla and monkey comparisons and always the shocked reaction that anyone could fail to see the wit and humor intended.

It&#039;s mental density from not having a clue. Until recently, that is since the election of an African-American president they have been required to actually watch what they say, who they say it about and as Joe Wilson found out they have to show some real respect.

That hasn&#039;t been required of them. Ever. They&#039;ve been able to wave the rebel flag and surround themselves with good old boys who would cover for them. But no more.

The game has changed and the power has shifted. It&#039;s a new day.</description>
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Far too many conservatives don’t understand how they subtly characterize non-whites and those of non-European descent as evil / dangerous / anti-American.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Subtle? I don&#8217;t think they know the meaning of the word. From our perspective it&#8217;s damn overt but not being black or actually knowing any blacks or non-whites they insult and demean us all the time.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s been president less than a year, in which time we&#8217;ve seen a dozen incidents of watermelon jokes, witch doctor references, gorilla and monkey comparisons and always the shocked reaction that anyone could fail to see the wit and humor intended.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s mental density from not having a clue. Until recently, that is since the election of an African-American president they have been required to actually watch what they say, who they say it about and as Joe Wilson found out they have to show some real respect.</p>
<p>That hasn&#8217;t been required of them. Ever. They&#8217;ve been able to wave the rebel flag and surround themselves with good old boys who would cover for them. But no more.</p>
<p>The game has changed and the power has shifted. It&#8217;s a new day.</p>
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		<title>By: SFTor1</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFTor1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NFL (a business) concluded, and I believe rightly so, that associating with  Rush Limbaugh was potentially divisive and would hurt their profits. So they declined to make Rush part of their business. 

Why is this a problem? I would be a little surprised if Republicans were to quarrel with the right of a business to make decisions regarding whom they want to associate with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL (a business) concluded, and I believe rightly so, that associating with  Rush Limbaugh was potentially divisive and would hurt their profits. So they declined to make Rush part of their business. </p>
<p>Why is this a problem? I would be a little surprised if Republicans were to quarrel with the right of a business to make decisions regarding whom they want to associate with.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Conservatives are busily convincing themselves that the Obama White House uses the most outrageous thug tactics against its political opponents.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And we should give a damn about this why?

It doesn&#039;t matter what Obama does conservatives will find a way to convince themselves that Obama uses the most outrageous thug tactics against its political opponents. Why? Because most of them are paranoid, racist, and willingly ill-informed to same varying degree.

A huge percentage of them don&#039;t even believe the president is an American citizen for God&#039;s sakes.

The hell with them and what they think. The only that does matter, and the only thing that ever matters is the 2% swing voters. We will never, ever win over Republicans. The only reason Obama got a 2% extra bump last year was George Bush was so staggeringly, monumentally, incredibly incompetent and disastrous as president. So much so that the sane part of the GOP, what little there is of it couldn&#039;t stomach it for one more year.

That small group will run after the next Brylcreemed empty suit who sounds halfway stable and the rest will be supporting the clueless Sarah Palin and former exorcist Bobby Jindal for 2012.

You&#039;re doomed. We don&#039;t need to care what conservatives think because the GOP isn&#039;t a conservative party. It is the physical  manifestation of a theocratic cult of your own making and it will be eviscerated at the polls in 2012.

It&#039;s your bed sir. Lie down in it.</description>
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Conservatives are busily convincing themselves that the Obama White House uses the most outrageous thug tactics against its political opponents.
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<p>And we should give a damn about this why?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what Obama does conservatives will find a way to convince themselves that Obama uses the most outrageous thug tactics against its political opponents. Why? Because most of them are paranoid, racist, and willingly ill-informed to same varying degree.</p>
<p>A huge percentage of them don&#8217;t even believe the president is an American citizen for God&#8217;s sakes.</p>
<p>The hell with them and what they think. The only that does matter, and the only thing that ever matters is the 2% swing voters. We will never, ever win over Republicans. The only reason Obama got a 2% extra bump last year was George Bush was so staggeringly, monumentally, incredibly incompetent and disastrous as president. So much so that the sane part of the GOP, what little there is of it couldn&#8217;t stomach it for one more year.</p>
<p>That small group will run after the next Brylcreemed empty suit who sounds halfway stable and the rest will be supporting the clueless Sarah Palin and former exorcist Bobby Jindal for 2012.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doomed. We don&#8217;t need to care what conservatives think because the GOP isn&#8217;t a conservative party. It is the physical  manifestation of a theocratic cult of your own making and it will be eviscerated at the polls in 2012.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your bed sir. Lie down in it.</p>
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		<title>By: anniemargret</title>
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		<dc:creator>anniemargret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Limbaugh?  He&#039;s made millions denigrating minorities and women.  His disgusting and shameful laughing, and joking (along with the odious McCain)  about how &#039;ugly&#039; a young Chelsea Clinton was, proved to me what kind of a man he is.  There is *nothing* to admire there.  

 He slyly stays just on this side of the border of fear and hate, and then pretends he is being unfairly targeted.  I&#039;ve listened to him enough over the years to have a complete lack of respect for this man.  Yes, he is highly intelligent.  But he lacks compassion.   He&#039;s a bottom feeder.  Let him and others like him, Beck, Palin, Coulter, etc... .rake their millions in while spewing hate and instigation and devisiveness.   The &#039;dittoheads&#039; are doing nothing to help this country, except keep his coffers full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Limbaugh?  He&#8217;s made millions denigrating minorities and women.  His disgusting and shameful laughing, and joking (along with the odious McCain)  about how &#8216;ugly&#8217; a young Chelsea Clinton was, proved to me what kind of a man he is.  There is *nothing* to admire there.  </p>
<p> He slyly stays just on this side of the border of fear and hate, and then pretends he is being unfairly targeted.  I&#8217;ve listened to him enough over the years to have a complete lack of respect for this man.  Yes, he is highly intelligent.  But he lacks compassion.   He&#8217;s a bottom feeder.  Let him and others like him, Beck, Palin, Coulter, etc&#8230; .rake their millions in while spewing hate and instigation and devisiveness.   The &#8216;dittoheads&#8217; are doing nothing to help this country, except keep his coffers full.</p>
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