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		<title>By: midcon</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/empire-state-building-celebrates-chinese-communism/comment-page-1#comment-66576</link>
		<dc:creator>midcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:32 pm sez, You know, there are a few things in Escape’s postings that actually merit some discussion -

Yeah you are right, but he posts so much and so much is simply slogans he picked up while trolling the net that I have given up trying to find the nuggets in the pile of excrement.   I am at the point where I have to just skip all his posts and leave it to others who don&#039;t have a job or anything else to do to wade through the BS and identify the nuggets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:32 pm sez, You know, there are a few things in Escape’s postings that actually merit some discussion -</p>
<p>Yeah you are right, but he posts so much and so much is simply slogans he picked up while trolling the net that I have given up trying to find the nuggets in the pile of excrement.   I am at the point where I have to just skip all his posts and leave it to others who don&#8217;t have a job or anything else to do to wade through the BS and identify the nuggets.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/empire-state-building-celebrates-chinese-communism/comment-page-1#comment-66417</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism without underlying values and morality, and not this psuedo Leftwing Green morality, but Christian and Patriotic morality. 

Hell we give businesses tax incentives to leave the Country and incorporate in Bermuda. 

Stanley Tools did this.  Dont buy Stanley Tools, unless a particular product is verified Made in USA.


Now we have Government Motors working to undermine the rest of the competition unfairly with government backing.   Giving 60 day money back gaurantees that no company can afford to make, unless they have a direct line to Taxpayers Money via Governemnt Ownership.  Healthcare, up next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism without underlying values and morality, and not this psuedo Leftwing Green morality, but Christian and Patriotic morality. </p>
<p>Hell we give businesses tax incentives to leave the Country and incorporate in Bermuda. </p>
<p>Stanley Tools did this.  Dont buy Stanley Tools, unless a particular product is verified Made in USA.</p>
<p>Now we have Government Motors working to undermine the rest of the competition unfairly with government backing.   Giving 60 day money back gaurantees that no company can afford to make, unless they have a direct line to Taxpayers Money via Governemnt Ownership.  Healthcare, up next!</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im no big defender of Walmart.

An interesting story is what happened to Rubber Maid, with Walmart being a complicating factor.

Furthermore, Walmart used to tout their American Made products, that was a selling point for them, wrapped in teh Flag.  This was before Sam Walton died and the Corpobots took over with not soul and morality left in the company,  only cogs and drones working for bonuses and bottom lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im no big defender of Walmart.</p>
<p>An interesting story is what happened to Rubber Maid, with Walmart being a complicating factor.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Walmart used to tout their American Made products, that was a selling point for them, wrapped in teh Flag.  This was before Sam Walton died and the Corpobots took over with not soul and morality left in the company,  only cogs and drones working for bonuses and bottom lines.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...they&#039;re shutting Detroit down 

I love this frigg&#039;n song...

I don&#039;t give a god damn what I&#039;m &quot;supposed&quot; to believe as a conservative. What could be more truly conservative than loving one&#039;s country and praying one&#039;s fellow countrymen be gainfully employed producing products and services of true value?

Is this America? 

General Motors said on Sunday it has agreed to set up a light commercial vehicle production venture with major Chinese automaker FAW Group, with total investment of 2 billion yuan ($293 million). 

The 50-50 joint venture, based in the northeast China city of Changchun in Jilin province, will make light-duty trucks and vans, GM said in a statement.
&quot;For us in China, this is an important complement to the rest of our portfolio,&quot; Kevin Wale, president and managing director for GM&#039;s China operations, told reporters in a conference call.

The venture will use two existing FAW plants in Changchun and the city of Harbin, also in the northeast, with combined annual capacity of roughly 90,000 vehicles, Wale said.

A greenfield plant, currently under construction in Harbin, will add 100,000 units of capacity by the end of next year, he said.

Vehicles made at the venture will carry the FAW brand and will focus on supplying the China market, but they could be exported under a GM brand through the Detroit automaker&#039;s global network in the future, Wale said.

GM is making Buick, Chevrolet and Cadillac models at its flagship China venture with SAIC Motor Corp. It also makes minivans, pickup trucks and the Spark compact car in a three-way tie-up with SAIC and Liuzhou Wuling Automobile.

This is where our bailout funds go - to China... to employ Chinese workers...???

This is where a good chunk of our government run - USING OUR TAX DOLLARS - &quot;Cash for Clunkers&quot; program money went... to a firm which seems more concerned with building up the Chinese economy than our own...???

Remember the old misquote &quot;What&#039;s good for General Motors is good for the country?&quot; Well folks... it looks like those days are far, far behind us.

God DAMN these greedy ba$tards!

http://usalyright.blogspot.com/2009/09/theyre-shutting-detroit-down.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;they&#8217;re shutting Detroit down </p>
<p>I love this frigg&#8217;n song&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t give a god damn what I&#8217;m &#8220;supposed&#8221; to believe as a conservative. What could be more truly conservative than loving one&#8217;s country and praying one&#8217;s fellow countrymen be gainfully employed producing products and services of true value?</p>
<p>Is this America? </p>
<p>General Motors said on Sunday it has agreed to set up a light commercial vehicle production venture with major Chinese automaker FAW Group, with total investment of 2 billion yuan ($293 million). </p>
<p>The 50-50 joint venture, based in the northeast China city of Changchun in Jilin province, will make light-duty trucks and vans, GM said in a statement.<br />
&#8220;For us in China, this is an important complement to the rest of our portfolio,&#8221; Kevin Wale, president and managing director for GM&#8217;s China operations, told reporters in a conference call.</p>
<p>The venture will use two existing FAW plants in Changchun and the city of Harbin, also in the northeast, with combined annual capacity of roughly 90,000 vehicles, Wale said.</p>
<p>A greenfield plant, currently under construction in Harbin, will add 100,000 units of capacity by the end of next year, he said.</p>
<p>Vehicles made at the venture will carry the FAW brand and will focus on supplying the China market, but they could be exported under a GM brand through the Detroit automaker&#8217;s global network in the future, Wale said.</p>
<p>GM is making Buick, Chevrolet and Cadillac models at its flagship China venture with SAIC Motor Corp. It also makes minivans, pickup trucks and the Spark compact car in a three-way tie-up with SAIC and Liuzhou Wuling Automobile.</p>
<p>This is where our bailout funds go &#8211; to China&#8230; to employ Chinese workers&#8230;???</p>
<p>This is where a good chunk of our government run &#8211; USING OUR TAX DOLLARS &#8211; &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program money went&#8230; to a firm which seems more concerned with building up the Chinese economy than our own&#8230;???</p>
<p>Remember the old misquote &#8220;What&#8217;s good for General Motors is good for the country?&#8221; Well folks&#8230; it looks like those days are far, far behind us.</p>
<p>God DAMN these greedy ba$tards!</p>
<p><a href="http://usalyright.blogspot.com/2009/09/theyre-shutting-detroit-down.html" rel="nofollow">http://usalyright.blogspot.com/2009/09/theyre-shutting-detroit-down.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next we will celebrate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia!

LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next we will celebrate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
In short, China’s and Wal-Marts mercantile interests have meshed perfectly for a couple decades … to the detriment of our long term economic health.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


But the corporation supports the GOP so your facts are irrelevant to the current discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short, China’s and Wal-Marts mercantile interests have meshed perfectly for a couple decades … to the detriment of our long term economic health.</p>
<p>But the corporation supports the GOP so your facts are irrelevant to the current discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there are a few things in Escape&#039;s postings that actually merit some discussion - but then you read them all in their totality, and you see that he&#039;s really just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.

But it is worth noting that WalMart in many ways has been the worst actor in moving work overseas.  A decade ago working in Kansas, I heard the story from the cement plant supervisor I was dealing with of a guy a town over who had developed a really innovative design for an engine hoist, that you could operate with one person.  They cost X to make, and he made a deal to sell with WalMart Z units at price Y the following year.  He took out loans, expanded his operations, and made sure he could supply those Z units.  The following year, WalMart came back and informed him that they could produce Z units in China next year at some price lower than Y, and really barely above X - if he wanted to stay in the game he needed to bring his price down.

Of course, he was already committed thanks to loans and expansion.  He inspected the Chinese prototype, and could point out that it was of poorer design, rivets where he used bolts, etc - they didn&#039;t care.  He went to other distributors, and was informed that they didn&#039;t want to commit to take Z units when they knew WalMart would be underselling them on price.  He finally had to accept WalMart consistently pushing his price down year after year, until he gave up the game and dissolved the company.

There was also a story of one of the top flight lawnmower companies in America a few years ago - the CEO went into WalMart to pitch his brand - they first told him they wanted to carry it ... then told him he needed to produce a cheaper version than the cheapest model they carry, use cast steel instead of forged, etc.  He saw this as a deal with the devil, and turned down the committment for fear of damaging the corporate brand.  WalMart went overseas for the production of the units they&#039;d sell.

In short, China&#039;s and Wal-Marts mercantile interests have meshed perfectly for a couple decades ... to the detriment of our long term economic health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there are a few things in Escape&#8217;s postings that actually merit some discussion &#8211; but then you read them all in their totality, and you see that he&#8217;s really just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.</p>
<p>But it is worth noting that WalMart in many ways has been the worst actor in moving work overseas.  A decade ago working in Kansas, I heard the story from the cement plant supervisor I was dealing with of a guy a town over who had developed a really innovative design for an engine hoist, that you could operate with one person.  They cost X to make, and he made a deal to sell with WalMart Z units at price Y the following year.  He took out loans, expanded his operations, and made sure he could supply those Z units.  The following year, WalMart came back and informed him that they could produce Z units in China next year at some price lower than Y, and really barely above X &#8211; if he wanted to stay in the game he needed to bring his price down.</p>
<p>Of course, he was already committed thanks to loans and expansion.  He inspected the Chinese prototype, and could point out that it was of poorer design, rivets where he used bolts, etc &#8211; they didn&#8217;t care.  He went to other distributors, and was informed that they didn&#8217;t want to commit to take Z units when they knew WalMart would be underselling them on price.  He finally had to accept WalMart consistently pushing his price down year after year, until he gave up the game and dissolved the company.</p>
<p>There was also a story of one of the top flight lawnmower companies in America a few years ago &#8211; the CEO went into WalMart to pitch his brand &#8211; they first told him they wanted to carry it &#8230; then told him he needed to produce a cheaper version than the cheapest model they carry, use cast steel instead of forged, etc.  He saw this as a deal with the devil, and turned down the committment for fear of damaging the corporate brand.  WalMart went overseas for the production of the units they&#8217;d sell.</p>
<p>In short, China&#8217;s and Wal-Marts mercantile interests have meshed perfectly for a couple decades &#8230; to the detriment of our long term economic health.</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayn Rand is turning over in her grave.  Wait, she&#039;s dead right?

There is something massively ironic about this bit of non-news, though.  Capitalist totem drenched in the colors of neuveaux-communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayn Rand is turning over in her grave.  Wait, she&#8217;s dead right?</p>
<p>There is something massively ironic about this bit of non-news, though.  Capitalist totem drenched in the colors of neuveaux-communism.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People that cant understand why celebrating Communist Red China&#039;s birth is objectionable, are the same people that inhabit the Democrat Party in large numbers and are Western Leftists.

These people should be driven from decent society, but alas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People that cant understand why celebrating Communist Red China&#8217;s birth is objectionable, are the same people that inhabit the Democrat Party in large numbers and are Western Leftists.</p>
<p>These people should be driven from decent society, but alas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I boycott Chinese products and do a pretty good job of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I boycott Chinese products and do a pretty good job of it.</p>
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