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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/embrace-the-pork/comment-page-1#comment-46060</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulldoglover100:  We&#039;re not going to &quot;find our way out of the wilderness&quot; if we embrace the Democrats&#039; idea that building roads and shopping centers in our own districts is the way to win votes. At best we will stave off further losses in our own areas.  But we still won&#039;t have a weapon of our own with which to defeat Democrats in their own areas.  But we must start doing that.  We can&#039;t continue to huddle in strongly Red States while writing off nearly the entire rest of the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulldoglover100:  We&#8217;re not going to &#8220;find our way out of the wilderness&#8221; if we embrace the Democrats&#8217; idea that building roads and shopping centers in our own districts is the way to win votes. At best we will stave off further losses in our own areas.  But we still won&#8217;t have a weapon of our own with which to defeat Democrats in their own areas.  But we must start doing that.  We can&#8217;t continue to huddle in strongly Red States while writing off nearly the entire rest of the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bulldoglover100</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/embrace-the-pork/comment-page-1#comment-53279</link>
		<dc:creator>Bulldoglover100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU! This should be out there in every format avaliable!
I firmly believe that it will be through discussions such as this that will enable us to find our way out of the wilderness.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU! This should be out there in every format avaliable!<br />
I firmly believe that it will be through discussions such as this that will enable us to find our way out of the wilderness.</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/embrace-the-pork/comment-page-1#comment-40974</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone hates traffic.  Everyone hates crowded roads.  Everyone hates excessive spending.  So this is right on -- spend, but spend wisely on something that improves my life.  Something I can see, feel, touch, etc.  I even suggested that such projects include a sign alongside the project, &quot;Brought to you by YOU, the American taxpayer, to IMPROVE YOUR life.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone hates traffic.  Everyone hates crowded roads.  Everyone hates excessive spending.  So this is right on &#8212; spend, but spend wisely on something that improves my life.  Something I can see, feel, touch, etc.  I even suggested that such projects include a sign alongside the project, &#8220;Brought to you by YOU, the American taxpayer, to IMPROVE YOUR life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/embrace-the-pork/comment-page-1#comment-49710</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not opposed to improving America&#039;s infrastructure.  But infrastructure projects simply do not belong in a &quot;stimulus package.&quot;  A true stimulus package is a short-term, temporary quick fix to jump-start an economy that has stumbled.  But I know of no infrastructure projects that can be built in the short-term these days.  Look at the efforts to replace the World Trade Center in New York.  Four years after 9-11, Ground Zero remained an ugly hole in the ground, because developers were still juggling all the inputs and opposition from numerous stakeholders--nearby businesses, community activists, 9-11 families, insurers, etc.  Or look at the Big Dig project in Boston to depress the Central Artery highway.  Twenty years from conception to completion, for much the same reason.  The only proven way to stimulate the economy dramatically in the short term--and short term stimulus is all that is needed--is to cut taxes.  It was President Eisenhower--a Republican--who conceived of and initiated the Interstate Highway System.  But he didn&#039;t call the project a &quot;stimulus package.&quot;   And it took some 30 years to complete.  The whole issue of infrastructure should have been decoupled from the issue of economic stimulus.  It&#039;s just one more example of what the liberals did--they sneaked in to this so-called &quot;stimulus package&quot; all their long-standing pie-in-the-sky plans to remake America along left-wing lines, and slapped a &quot;stimulus package&quot; label on it in hopes that Americans wouldn&#039;t notice.  And there is the fight I hope we will make.  We should explain to the American people that they are getting a brand-new welfare state rammed down their throats--secretly.  Let&#039;s blow the whistle on it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not opposed to improving America&#8217;s infrastructure.  But infrastructure projects simply do not belong in a &#8220;stimulus package.&#8221;  A true stimulus package is a short-term, temporary quick fix to jump-start an economy that has stumbled.  But I know of no infrastructure projects that can be built in the short-term these days.  Look at the efforts to replace the World Trade Center in New York.  Four years after 9-11, Ground Zero remained an ugly hole in the ground, because developers were still juggling all the inputs and opposition from numerous stakeholders&#8211;nearby businesses, community activists, 9-11 families, insurers, etc.  Or look at the Big Dig project in Boston to depress the Central Artery highway.  Twenty years from conception to completion, for much the same reason.  The only proven way to stimulate the economy dramatically in the short term&#8211;and short term stimulus is all that is needed&#8211;is to cut taxes.  It was President Eisenhower&#8211;a Republican&#8211;who conceived of and initiated the Interstate Highway System.  But he didn&#8217;t call the project a &#8220;stimulus package.&#8221;   And it took some 30 years to complete.  The whole issue of infrastructure should have been decoupled from the issue of economic stimulus.  It&#8217;s just one more example of what the liberals did&#8211;they sneaked in to this so-called &#8220;stimulus package&#8221; all their long-standing pie-in-the-sky plans to remake America along left-wing lines, and slapped a &#8220;stimulus package&#8221; label on it in hopes that Americans wouldn&#8217;t notice.  And there is the fight I hope we will make.  We should explain to the American people that they are getting a brand-new welfare state rammed down their throats&#8211;secretly.  Let&#8217;s blow the whistle on it!</p>
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		<title>By: joemarier</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/embrace-the-pork/comment-page-1#comment-38812</link>
		<dc:creator>joemarier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d nitpick, but I just don&#039;t feel comfortable criticizing Henry Clay.</description>
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