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		<title>By: Texas Dem Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/do-jews-hate-palin/comment-page-3#comment-124552</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Dem Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is very simple.  When a political leader (e.g. Steele, Gingrich, Buchanan), speaking at a political forum, in a political context, on a political subject, declares that &quot;America is a Christian country!&quot;, she or he is not speaking about a demographic measurement or a cultural core.  She is expressing a desire that the United States is, or of right ought to be, in an instrinsic founding sense, a Christian state.

When Ann Coulter speaks in anti-Semitic stereotypes directly to Donny Deutsch&#039;s face, when Fred Barnes asserts that Tiger Woods&#039; personal problems aise from his being a Buddhist, when Franklin Graham charges that Islam is inherently and irredemably violent, they are spreading religious hatred.

When Sarah Palin expresses similar sentiments, implying that only evangelical Protestants are &quot;real&quot; Americans, Jews react hostilely.  And so should all of the 66,000,000 Americans, one fifth of our nation, who hold minority religious beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is very simple.  When a political leader (e.g. Steele, Gingrich, Buchanan), speaking at a political forum, in a political context, on a political subject, declares that &#8220;America is a Christian country!&#8221;, she or he is not speaking about a demographic measurement or a cultural core.  She is expressing a desire that the United States is, or of right ought to be, in an instrinsic founding sense, a Christian state.</p>
<p>When Ann Coulter speaks in anti-Semitic stereotypes directly to Donny Deutsch&#8217;s face, when Fred Barnes asserts that Tiger Woods&#8217; personal problems aise from his being a Buddhist, when Franklin Graham charges that Islam is inherently and irredemably violent, they are spreading religious hatred.</p>
<p>When Sarah Palin expresses similar sentiments, implying that only evangelical Protestants are &#8220;real&#8221; Americans, Jews react hostilely.  And so should all of the 66,000,000 Americans, one fifth of our nation, who hold minority religious beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin and the Multitude of Dummies &#124; Republican Party of Wood County</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the vast majority of Americans disgusted at the mess our elites are making of the country. So says David Frum, a member of the conservative elite media; on the other side of the aisle at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin and the Multitude of Dummies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin and the Multitude of Dummies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the vast majority of Americans disgusted at the mess our elites are making of the country. So says David Frum, a member of the conservative elite media; on the other side of the aisle at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aapii.org » Blog Archive &#187; Why Do Jews Hate Sarah Palin?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Jews hate Sarah Palin. (Because they hate Real Americans, is basically her answer.) David Frum rebuts: she is just scary to everyone! Both leave out one hugely important [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Occidental Dissent &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jews reserve the exclusive right to explain Jew, everyone else are anti-semites</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was looking at Hunter&#8217;s post about David Frum, and noticed this very interesting Frum quote: So if Jews do “hate” Palin, this may be just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pepster</title>
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		<dc:creator>pepster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Jennifer Rubins arguments are silly.  You did a fine job in countering with infinetely sillier arguments.

&quot;Yes, Todd belonged to a Union, but so did Reagan&quot;  Huh?  A commercial fisherman and North Slope Oil worker can only be described as working class.   Are you serious?  Todd Palin doesn&#039;t have working class background? That is plain dishonest.

 &quot;The Heaths were not rich, but they were comfortable and respectable&quot;   You can&#039;t be comfortable, respectable AND working class?  You ought to examine your prejudices.   It is amazing that you believe that some how  respect and working class don&#039;t go together.   You ought to be ashamed.  

Working on a fishing boat is hard, back breaking work.  Anyone who has done that has at least some exposure to the &quot;working class&quot;.  Many salmon boat captains in Alaska are teachers.  The salmon run in the summer and teachers have the summers off.  I&#039;ve worked on those boats.   Bill Clinton&#039;s mother was a nurse and stepfather owned a car dealership.  That qualifies as working class roots.  But a School teacher doesn&#039;t.

Until her book deal the Palin&#039;s were not millionaires.  That said, that people with blue collar roots can become &quot;among the richest residents of Wasilla&quot; isn&#039;t something that would surpise anyone who lived there.   I grew up there so it does not surprise me.  Maybe that type of thing doesn&#039;t happen back east.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Jennifer Rubins arguments are silly.  You did a fine job in countering with infinetely sillier arguments.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, Todd belonged to a Union, but so did Reagan&#8221;  Huh?  A commercial fisherman and North Slope Oil worker can only be described as working class.   Are you serious?  Todd Palin doesn&#8217;t have working class background? That is plain dishonest.</p>
<p> &#8220;The Heaths were not rich, but they were comfortable and respectable&#8221;   You can&#8217;t be comfortable, respectable AND working class?  You ought to examine your prejudices.   It is amazing that you believe that some how  respect and working class don&#8217;t go together.   You ought to be ashamed.  </p>
<p>Working on a fishing boat is hard, back breaking work.  Anyone who has done that has at least some exposure to the &#8220;working class&#8221;.  Many salmon boat captains in Alaska are teachers.  The salmon run in the summer and teachers have the summers off.  I&#8217;ve worked on those boats.   Bill Clinton&#8217;s mother was a nurse and stepfather owned a car dealership.  That qualifies as working class roots.  But a School teacher doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Until her book deal the Palin&#8217;s were not millionaires.  That said, that people with blue collar roots can become &#8220;among the richest residents of Wasilla&#8221; isn&#8217;t something that would surpise anyone who lived there.   I grew up there so it does not surprise me.  Maybe that type of thing doesn&#8217;t happen back east.</p>
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		<title>By: JeninCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeninCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific post, Dragonlady. I agree.</description>
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		<title>By: dragonlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frum said: &quot;Just guessing, but I think the real and most fundamental problem Jews have with Palin is not her gleeful ignorance, but her willful divisiveness. More than any politician in memory, Palin seems to divide her fellow-Americans into first class and second class citizens, real Americans and not-so-real Americans.&quot;
Frum is not providing the context and thus, not wholly accurate on Palin. It is true she was in attack-mode during the campaign. However, that is not uncommon for the VP candidate so the Pres candidate can appear to be above that sort of fray.  As a governor, she was not divisive nor did she put lot of emphasis on cultural and social issues.  It really was the media that tagged her a country bumpkin stupid bible-thumper on a some sort of crusade. That impression was immediately cemented among secular liberals who are suspicious and disdainful of anyone who is a religious Christian.  

Whether Jews dislike her more than others, I can&#039;t really say I&#039;ve seen evidence of that. But there is a much more visceral deeper emotion it seems for folks who dislike Palin that goes beyond the she&#039;s not intellectually qualified argument. I haven&#039;t really placed it yet but it&#039;s almost like they see her as somewhat alien and anathema to who should be in the political elite.   

Not trying to convince anyone to like or not--don&#039;t care if you do. Just pointing out Frum selectively chooses to highlight what he considers her worst qualities and ignores why she does appeal to the GOP base. He has a tin ear to what matters to the base and as such, can&#039;t put forth an effective political strategy to co-op them along with moderates under one tent.

It&#039;s not that there is anything wrong with being elite. But when the elites seem to be unable to govern (and I say this for both parties) and out-of-touch, and on top of that, condescending with a we-know-best-attitude, people are rightfully resentful.  This Jacksonian attitude is nothing new in American political history and tends to come back with a vengenance when the elites appear particularly corrupt and inept (Wall St anyone? DC anyone?).  Having skepticism of the elites is also nothing new among conservative intellectuals, like William Buckley, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frum said: &#8220;Just guessing, but I think the real and most fundamental problem Jews have with Palin is not her gleeful ignorance, but her willful divisiveness. More than any politician in memory, Palin seems to divide her fellow-Americans into first class and second class citizens, real Americans and not-so-real Americans.&#8221;<br />
Frum is not providing the context and thus, not wholly accurate on Palin. It is true she was in attack-mode during the campaign. However, that is not uncommon for the VP candidate so the Pres candidate can appear to be above that sort of fray.  As a governor, she was not divisive nor did she put lot of emphasis on cultural and social issues.  It really was the media that tagged her a country bumpkin stupid bible-thumper on a some sort of crusade. That impression was immediately cemented among secular liberals who are suspicious and disdainful of anyone who is a religious Christian.  </p>
<p>Whether Jews dislike her more than others, I can&#8217;t really say I&#8217;ve seen evidence of that. But there is a much more visceral deeper emotion it seems for folks who dislike Palin that goes beyond the she&#8217;s not intellectually qualified argument. I haven&#8217;t really placed it yet but it&#8217;s almost like they see her as somewhat alien and anathema to who should be in the political elite.   </p>
<p>Not trying to convince anyone to like or not&#8211;don&#8217;t care if you do. Just pointing out Frum selectively chooses to highlight what he considers her worst qualities and ignores why she does appeal to the GOP base. He has a tin ear to what matters to the base and as such, can&#8217;t put forth an effective political strategy to co-op them along with moderates under one tent.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that there is anything wrong with being elite. But when the elites seem to be unable to govern (and I say this for both parties) and out-of-touch, and on top of that, condescending with a we-know-best-attitude, people are rightfully resentful.  This Jacksonian attitude is nothing new in American political history and tends to come back with a vengenance when the elites appear particularly corrupt and inept (Wall St anyone? DC anyone?).  Having skepticism of the elites is also nothing new among conservative intellectuals, like William Buckley, either.</p>
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		<title>By: JeninCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeninCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie: &quot; Secondly, Jenin: I personally don’t care what college(s) Palin went to &quot;

I never said you did. I was referring to the quote from Paul&#039;s grandmother. Your first clue might have been that I addressed the post to him.

&quot;And what’s this reference to ‘ive league’ education? You Palinites just love the culture wars, don’t you? I admire anyone who graduated from an Ivy League college, because most people do – nothing wrong or weird in that at all. You admire people who did better in life usually, but with the culture-war crowd, any sign of education or articulation in speaking means you are an ‘elite.’&quot;

I referred specifically to &#039;parent-funded&#039; Ivy league educations, as opposed to those that are paid for by the students themselves.  And your comment about the culture war crowd is a giant assumption. Don&#039;t put words in my mouth.

We know you dislike Palin; move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie: &#8221; Secondly, Jenin: I personally don’t care what college(s) Palin went to &#8221;</p>
<p>I never said you did. I was referring to the quote from Paul&#8217;s grandmother. Your first clue might have been that I addressed the post to him.</p>
<p>&#8220;And what’s this reference to ‘ive league’ education? You Palinites just love the culture wars, don’t you? I admire anyone who graduated from an Ivy League college, because most people do – nothing wrong or weird in that at all. You admire people who did better in life usually, but with the culture-war crowd, any sign of education or articulation in speaking means you are an ‘elite.’&#8221;</p>
<p>I referred specifically to &#8216;parent-funded&#8217; Ivy league educations, as opposed to those that are paid for by the students themselves.  And your comment about the culture war crowd is a giant assumption. Don&#8217;t put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>We know you dislike Palin; move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Jews Like Me Hate Sarah Palin &#124; Jewschool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Jews Like Me Hate Sarah Palin &#124; Jewschool</dc:creator>
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