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	<title>Comments on: Dems Keep Flu Vaccine for Themselves, Punish GOP Districts</title>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/dems-keep-flu-vaccine-for-themselves-punish-gop-districts/comment-page-1#comment-72292</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.........Yes the Democrats are setting up death panels too I believe so that the aged can be bumped off early........it&#039;s just like that sign at the Bachmann rally said......the democrats are going to commit mass murder and bury the bodies in shallow graves........very near the homes of Republican congressmen and senators so the resultant odors will reduce the value of their homes.......Shocking.......I put it all down to Acorn and George Soros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Yes the Democrats are setting up death panels too I believe so that the aged can be bumped off early&#8230;&#8230;..it&#8217;s just like that sign at the Bachmann rally said&#8230;&#8230;the democrats are going to commit mass murder and bury the bodies in shallow graves&#8230;&#8230;..very near the homes of Republican congressmen and senators so the resultant odors will reduce the value of their homes&#8230;&#8230;.Shocking&#8230;&#8230;.I put it all down to Acorn and George Soros</p>
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		<title>By: MtnDrew</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/dems-keep-flu-vaccine-for-themselves-punish-gop-districts/comment-page-1#comment-72247</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnDrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFT or 1- what report are you talking about ? 

And before I take you seriously you have to prove to me you&#039;re no longer beating your wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFT or 1- what report are you talking about ? </p>
<p>And before I take you seriously you have to prove to me you&#8217;re no longer beating your wife.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/dems-keep-flu-vaccine-for-themselves-punish-gop-districts/comment-page-1#comment-72202</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault: &lt;blockquote&gt; The question becomes – should government anticipate that sometimes not everything is going to go according to plan, and dedicate excess resources to addressing problems with the knowledge that in all probability the excess will go to waste? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
In this case,
that would have required a degree of omniscience that neither the government nor the private sector had.

The CDC was well aware of the methods traditionally used to produce flu vaccine.  They had no complaint about applying those methods to produce an H1N1 vaccine.  If the CDC had no complaint, then neither the Executive Branch nor the Congress would either.

Remember the ridicule the Government got when they erred in the other direction, with the first swine flu vaccine in 1976.  Then, they also feared a swine flu pandemic.  So they cranked up the production of swine flu vaccine and got millions vaccinated (including yours truly).  But the anticipated pandemic never materialized; nobody got sick from swine flu in 1976.  But people did get very sick from the side effects of the vaccine.  The ridicule over having hyped a nonexistent pandemic helped cost President Gerald Ford his job.

I guess the bottom line is that when a new pathogen comes along, whether it&#039;s 1976 swine flu, HIV or H1N1, the Government should not act like it&#039;s got the situation well in hand--because that&#039;s a lie.  They should prepare the public in advance to expect the unexpected.  Mother Nature always gets a vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault:  The question becomes – should government anticipate that sometimes not everything is going to go according to plan, and dedicate excess resources to addressing problems with the knowledge that in all probability the excess will go to waste?<br />
In this case,<br />
that would have required a degree of omniscience that neither the government nor the private sector had.</p>
<p>The CDC was well aware of the methods traditionally used to produce flu vaccine.  They had no complaint about applying those methods to produce an H1N1 vaccine.  If the CDC had no complaint, then neither the Executive Branch nor the Congress would either.</p>
<p>Remember the ridicule the Government got when they erred in the other direction, with the first swine flu vaccine in 1976.  Then, they also feared a swine flu pandemic.  So they cranked up the production of swine flu vaccine and got millions vaccinated (including yours truly).  But the anticipated pandemic never materialized; nobody got sick from swine flu in 1976.  But people did get very sick from the side effects of the vaccine.  The ridicule over having hyped a nonexistent pandemic helped cost President Gerald Ford his job.</p>
<p>I guess the bottom line is that when a new pathogen comes along, whether it&#8217;s 1976 swine flu, HIV or H1N1, the Government should not act like it&#8217;s got the situation well in hand&#8211;because that&#8217;s a lie.  They should prepare the public in advance to expect the unexpected.  Mother Nature always gets a vote.</p>
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		<title>By: SFTor1</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFTor1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any commentator who wants to be taken seriously has to look at this report and reject it out of hand.

So Democrats think it&#039;s cool to kill Republican kids? Come on folks, this is beyond the pale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any commentator who wants to be taken seriously has to look at this report and reject it out of hand.</p>
<p>So Democrats think it&#8217;s cool to kill Republican kids? Come on folks, this is beyond the pale.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/dems-keep-flu-vaccine-for-themselves-punish-gop-districts/comment-page-1#comment-72194</link>
		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I see some paranoia involved, anyone can see that the more the government gets involved in anything, the more chances that thing will get politicized. Look at the Chrysler GM bailout where they closed all those dealerships, whether they deserved it or not, when the government is involved in unpopular decisions, then they are going to get heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I see some paranoia involved, anyone can see that the more the government gets involved in anything, the more chances that thing will get politicized. Look at the Chrysler GM bailout where they closed all those dealerships, whether they deserved it or not, when the government is involved in unpopular decisions, then they are going to get heat.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The headline (as it currently reads) would fit right in on Drudge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline (as it currently reads) would fit right in on Drudge.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/dems-keep-flu-vaccine-for-themselves-punish-gop-districts/comment-page-1#comment-72126</link>
		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans have being jerks down to a science, but this headline is beyond despicable.

Go back to just having Chickenhawk blowhards as commentators and leave the disgusting insults to Glenn Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans have being jerks down to a science, but this headline is beyond despicable.</p>
<p>Go back to just having Chickenhawk blowhards as commentators and leave the disgusting insults to Glenn Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Bush had been president during this, the Dems and media would be in hysterics. Fist clenching, full throttel, finger pointing, pants pissing, scream fest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That depends.   If this happened in November 2001, when Bush had been in office 10 months and 9/11 was only two months in the past, then  no, I don&#039;t think the Dems or the media would have gone all &quot;tea party&quot; on him.    We were all coming together in a crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush had been president during this, the Dems and media would be in hysterics. Fist clenching, full throttel, finger pointing, pants pissing, scream fest.</p>
<p>That depends.   If this happened in November 2001, when Bush had been in office 10 months and 9/11 was only two months in the past, then  no, I don&#8217;t think the Dems or the media would have gone all &#8220;tea party&#8221; on him.    We were all coming together in a crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
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		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that you have revised the headline. Before it was a question, now with the same set of non facts it&#039;s a statement. What change in the meantime as the body of the article is exactly the same? This is more like Pravda than a supposed respected outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that you have revised the headline. Before it was a question, now with the same set of non facts it&#8217;s a statement. What change in the meantime as the body of the article is exactly the same? This is more like Pravda than a supposed respected outlet.</p>
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		<title>By: sdspringy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sdspringy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the problems associated with the vaccine can be laid at the feet of the current administration I don&#039;t know.  I am not willing to do that.

However I know that 4000 Americans have died, from the lack of vaccine, maybe.   If Bush had been president during this, the Dems and media would be in hysterics.  Fist clenching, full throttel, finger pointing, pants pissing, scream fest.  

What do we hear now,  quite,  patience, no concern,  working as hard as we can.  Fine.  

I don&#039;t plan on getting vaccinated anyway, but really, what an overall joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the problems associated with the vaccine can be laid at the feet of the current administration I don&#8217;t know.  I am not willing to do that.</p>
<p>However I know that 4000 Americans have died, from the lack of vaccine, maybe.   If Bush had been president during this, the Dems and media would be in hysterics.  Fist clenching, full throttel, finger pointing, pants pissing, scream fest.  </p>
<p>What do we hear now,  quite,  patience, no concern,  working as hard as we can.  Fine.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t plan on getting vaccinated anyway, but really, what an overall joke.</p>
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