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		<title>By: bpas</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-50787</link>
		<dc:creator>bpas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levin ripped you apart! You are a loser! Do not ever call yourself a Conservative! I&#039;ll tell you like Ann Coulter would, YOU ARE A P###Y! Go hang out with Madcow! You want to know why she was polite to you? Because you were bashing Conservatives! Please just start calling yourself a liberal a get over it. We don&#039;t want you, we reject you, you&#039;re a pseudo-conservative! Go join Spector!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levin ripped you apart! You are a loser! Do not ever call yourself a Conservative! I&#8217;ll tell you like Ann Coulter would, YOU ARE A P###Y! Go hang out with Madcow! You want to know why she was polite to you? Because you were bashing Conservatives! Please just start calling yourself a liberal a get over it. We don&#8217;t want you, we reject you, you&#8217;re a pseudo-conservative! Go join Spector!</p>
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		<title>By: LIBERTY</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-44907</link>
		<dc:creator>LIBERTY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history...Rush knows what he is doing. The worse conservatives do, the more important Rush becomes as leader of the ardent remnant.&quot; THAT provoked Levin&#039;s outrage. PERSONAL attacks against somebody because he doesn&#039;t subscribe to your nuanced-brain fart-moderate republicanism is worthy indeed of condemnation. Levin said the excerpts above in REACTION to this, which prompted Frum to call in and do some shouting of his own. Levin gave him the floor, and would lower him when he insisted on either rambling or reiterating the same ad hominem personal attacks. He was more respectful of this drivel than I would have been. With his sellout ideas and his nasty disposition, I think he should relocate his big tent to the Democrat fairgrounds... where they like a good sideshow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history&#8230;Rush knows what he is doing. The worse conservatives do, the more important Rush becomes as leader of the ardent remnant.&#8221; THAT provoked Levin&#8217;s outrage. PERSONAL attacks against somebody because he doesn&#8217;t subscribe to your nuanced-brain fart-moderate republicanism is worthy indeed of condemnation. Levin said the excerpts above in REACTION to this, which prompted Frum to call in and do some shouting of his own. Levin gave him the floor, and would lower him when he insisted on either rambling or reiterating the same ad hominem personal attacks. He was more respectful of this drivel than I would have been. With his sellout ideas and his nasty disposition, I think he should relocate his big tent to the Democrat fairgrounds&#8230; where they like a good sideshow.</p>
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		<title>By: oldranger</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-51070</link>
		<dc:creator>oldranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to that dust-up you had with Mark Levin.  The reason he muted you is you wanted to keep speaking without the show&#039;s host getting a word in to respond.  Incidentally, congratulations on the Newsweek hit piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to that dust-up you had with Mark Levin.  The reason he muted you is you wanted to keep speaking without the show&#8217;s host getting a word in to respond.  Incidentally, congratulations on the Newsweek hit piece.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnycat</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-47106</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every movement has to weigh its decisions. If it is a part of a coalition it has to weigh what it believes against what it wants from the broader movement. Moderates, paleos, mainstream conservatives, Rush Limbaugh fans, Eastern liberals, all have to do that. Again, that&#039;s life. It is senseless to think it will be anything else. Do you not think that the Democrats have their problems?...which by the way, just a few years back, many were saying those problems were intractable. Remember &quot;What&#039;s Wrong with Kansas?&quot; or &quot;A National Party No More?&quot; How did they regain their electability? They went back to the principals and every coalition united. They took their chances with the anger they created by frustrating Hillary voters, and won that battle. Personally, I want the party to become more conservative and to be clearer on what we believe. I will roll the dice, like the Democrats did on frustrating the very small group of moderates. In the end, though, I like many of the ideas on this site, although some of the articles are not really about policy but just impressions and stories. Kind of weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every movement has to weigh its decisions. If it is a part of a coalition it has to weigh what it believes against what it wants from the broader movement. Moderates, paleos, mainstream conservatives, Rush Limbaugh fans, Eastern liberals, all have to do that. Again, that&#8217;s life. It is senseless to think it will be anything else. Do you not think that the Democrats have their problems?&#8230;which by the way, just a few years back, many were saying those problems were intractable. Remember &#8220;What&#8217;s Wrong with Kansas?&#8221; or &#8220;A National Party No More?&#8221; How did they regain their electability? They went back to the principals and every coalition united. They took their chances with the anger they created by frustrating Hillary voters, and won that battle. Personally, I want the party to become more conservative and to be clearer on what we believe. I will roll the dice, like the Democrats did on frustrating the very small group of moderates. In the end, though, I like many of the ideas on this site, although some of the articles are not really about policy but just impressions and stories. Kind of weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhampton</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-45965</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article that reiterates points from some of my previous comments -- &quot;It&#039;s possible that Dobson refused to endorse Romney because, had he done so, it would have appeared in the minds of many Evangelicals as an endorsement of a cult member - - and this potentially could have been harmful to Focus On The Family. If this is correct, then it appears that, perhaps out of necessity, Dobson chose to protect his organization, rather than publicly support his preferred presidential candidate. And thus, my question, what is the purpose of this movement - - to preserve its existing institutions, or to do what is necessary for the future?&quot; -- 2009 A.D. (After Dobson), by Austin Hill, Townhall, March 08, 2009
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article that reiterates points from some of my previous comments &#8212; &#8220;It&#8217;s possible that Dobson refused to endorse Romney because, had he done so, it would have appeared in the minds of many Evangelicals as an endorsement of a cult member &#8211; - and this potentially could have been harmful to Focus On The Family. If this is correct, then it appears that, perhaps out of necessity, Dobson chose to protect his organization, rather than publicly support his preferred presidential candidate. And thus, my question, what is the purpose of this movement &#8211; - to preserve its existing institutions, or to do what is necessary for the future?&#8221; &#8212; 2009 A.D. (After Dobson), by Austin Hill, Townhall, March 08, 2009</p>
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		<title>By: johnnycat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay sinz; Here&#039; my answer. I think the Republican Party always has had a big tent and frankly, many conservatives themselves have left it for being too moderate. If you read American Conservative, this is filled with a lot of Reaganite type conservatives. Ron Paul&#039;s movement is also filled with former Reagan officials. I will also make the argument that Bush comes from the Eastern Establishment of liberal Republicans, one of the reason a lot of those conservatives I mentioned left the party. To me, if you are involved and active in the Party, you actually understand this and that a figure like Brent Bozell really does do important work and does not have a stranglehold on the party, but is a leading conservative voice within it. Many people on this site have not seriously addressed all that really happened in the past 8 years and acknowledge some of the ideological problems within the Republican Party...which have always existed...and want to go along with this myth that there is actually a split between the mainstream of the party and the moderates. The split, if there is one, is between the American Conservative crowd and the mainstream. Many of them have put their faith in Ron Paul...who I read and whose gatherings I attend as well. But, some people here only know conservatism as Rush Limbaugh and I am sorry, I can&#039;t take critics seriously if that is all they know about conservatism. (I know this doesn&#039;t mean you...your post are thoughtful)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay sinz; Here&#8217; my answer. I think the Republican Party always has had a big tent and frankly, many conservatives themselves have left it for being too moderate. If you read American Conservative, this is filled with a lot of Reaganite type conservatives. Ron Paul&#8217;s movement is also filled with former Reagan officials. I will also make the argument that Bush comes from the Eastern Establishment of liberal Republicans, one of the reason a lot of those conservatives I mentioned left the party. To me, if you are involved and active in the Party, you actually understand this and that a figure like Brent Bozell really does do important work and does not have a stranglehold on the party, but is a leading conservative voice within it. Many people on this site have not seriously addressed all that really happened in the past 8 years and acknowledge some of the ideological problems within the Republican Party&#8230;which have always existed&#8230;and want to go along with this myth that there is actually a split between the mainstream of the party and the moderates. The split, if there is one, is between the American Conservative crowd and the mainstream. Many of them have put their faith in Ron Paul&#8230;who I read and whose gatherings I attend as well. But, some people here only know conservatism as Rush Limbaugh and I am sorry, I can&#8217;t take critics seriously if that is all they know about conservatism. (I know this doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8230;your post are thoughtful)</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-42377</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnnycat sez:  &quot;I am sorry but I think Brent Bozell and the others mentioned in that article are superb people and would have to fight you if you think they should go.&quot;  Bring it on.  But I don&#039;t want them to &quot;go.&quot;  I want them to release their stranglehold on the GOP, and make room for lots of others within the GOP&#039;s big tent.  I&#039;ve actually agreed with Bozell on occasion.  But I want the GOP platform to reflect a broader consensus than it does now, on a lot of domestic issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnnycat sez:  &#8220;I am sorry but I think Brent Bozell and the others mentioned in that article are superb people and would have to fight you if you think they should go.&#8221;  Bring it on.  But I don&#8217;t want them to &#8220;go.&#8221;  I want them to release their stranglehold on the GOP, and make room for lots of others within the GOP&#8217;s big tent.  I&#8217;ve actually agreed with Bozell on occasion.  But I want the GOP platform to reflect a broader consensus than it does now, on a lot of domestic issues.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-42637</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cforchange &amp; BrianTheRight:  Polls taken in 2008 showed that health care ranked very low on the list of priorities of the GOP base; the issue they cared most about was terrorism.  This is almost the diametric opposite of what the rest of the electorate cared about:  For them, health care ranked high on their priority list, and terrorism ranked low.  For the GOP to reach out beyond its base voters, it&#039;s going to have to address issues that the base doesn&#039;t care about.  Health care is probably near or at the top of that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cforchange &#038; BrianTheRight:  Polls taken in 2008 showed that health care ranked very low on the list of priorities of the GOP base; the issue they cared most about was terrorism.  This is almost the diametric opposite of what the rest of the electorate cared about:  For them, health care ranked high on their priority list, and terrorism ranked low.  For the GOP to reach out beyond its base voters, it&#8217;s going to have to address issues that the base doesn&#8217;t care about.  Health care is probably near or at the top of that list.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cutting-the-mike-on-critics/comment-page-13#comment-41119</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianTheRight:  We all want the GOP to be a national party, not a regional party of the South and Mountain States.  But the Dems are making inroads in traditional GOP areas, like the Southwest, thanks to the Hispanic vote.  Obama even won Indiana.  And I&#039;ve always believed that the best defense is a good offense.  What is YOUR plan to take the fight to the Blue States and win there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianTheRight:  We all want the GOP to be a national party, not a regional party of the South and Mountain States.  But the Dems are making inroads in traditional GOP areas, like the Southwest, thanks to the Hispanic vote.  Obama even won Indiana.  And I&#8217;ve always believed that the best defense is a good offense.  What is YOUR plan to take the fight to the Blue States and win there?</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Calling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada Calling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliantly written, correct and courageous  Newsweek article. Conservatives applaud you.
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