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		<title>By: CentristNYer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/count-rudy-out/comment-page-1#comment-78216</link>
		<dc:creator>CentristNYer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tdawg11870 // Dec 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm

&quot;Equating bravery with ignoring obvious risks is just idiocy.&quot;

Couldn&#039;t have said it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tdawg11870 // Dec 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Equating bravery with ignoring obvious risks is just idiocy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better.</p>
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		<title>By: tdawg11870</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franco: now that&#039;s just crazy.  It&#039;s not brave or even not &quot;pussy&quot; to put an emergency response center in harm&#039;s way.  Equating bravery with ignoring obvious risks is just idiocy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franco: now that&#8217;s just crazy.  It&#8217;s not brave or even not &#8220;pussy&#8221; to put an emergency response center in harm&#8217;s way.  Equating bravery with ignoring obvious risks is just idiocy.</p>
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		<title>By: franco 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m perfectly willing to criticize Giuliani but seriously, this is not a valid issue. In other words you wanted Rudy to act like the same kind of pussy you must be? Oooh were too scared the WTC will be attacked again...can&#039;t put our disaster response unit there.. And as Mayor of NYC that must really inspire confidence in the other tenants.

&quot;...fire breathing conservative&quot; spouting &quot; nonsensical talking points as the evolution deniers and the immigrant haters.&quot;

More bad posing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m perfectly willing to criticize Giuliani but seriously, this is not a valid issue. In other words you wanted Rudy to act like the same kind of pussy you must be? Oooh were too scared the WTC will be attacked again&#8230;can&#8217;t put our disaster response unit there.. And as Mayor of NYC that must really inspire confidence in the other tenants.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;fire breathing conservative&#8221; spouting &#8221; nonsensical talking points as the evolution deniers and the immigrant haters.&#8221;</p>
<p>More bad posing.</p>
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		<title>By: CentristNYer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>franco 2  // Dec 23, 2009 at 12:17 pm

&quot;Oh I see what you hate about him, he is somewhat of a patriot.&quot;

Situating the NYC disaster response unit in the WTC -- after it had already been designated a high value terror target -- was not an act of patriotism. It was an act of foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>franco 2  // Dec 23, 2009 at 12:17 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh I see what you hate about him, he is somewhat of a patriot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Situating the NYC disaster response unit in the WTC &#8212; after it had already been designated a high value terror target &#8212; was not an act of patriotism. It was an act of foolishness.</p>
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		<title>By: franco 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see what you hate about him, he is somewhat of a patriot. That&#039;s his real problem. You guys can&#039;t hide your leftism. What a bunch of poseurs and y&#039;all are quite poor at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see what you hate about him, he is somewhat of a patriot. That&#8217;s his real problem. You guys can&#8217;t hide your leftism. What a bunch of poseurs and y&#8217;all are quite poor at it.</p>
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		<title>By: CentristNYer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tdawg11870  // Dec 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm

&quot;He believed his own press just the same way Palin believes her cloying victim narrative. That’s what happens when you surround yourself with yes-men.&quot;

I agree, but that&#039;s only half the story. His 2008 ambitions also led him to become a much more conventional, fire breathing conservative rather than the mavericky northeastern moderate that helped him win twice in liberal New York City. Romney suffered the same rebranding issues. It&#039;s hard to stand out when you&#039;re repeating the same nonsensical talking points as the evolution deniers and the immigrant haters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tdawg11870  // Dec 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;He believed his own press just the same way Palin believes her cloying victim narrative. That’s what happens when you surround yourself with yes-men.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but that&#8217;s only half the story. His 2008 ambitions also led him to become a much more conventional, fire breathing conservative rather than the mavericky northeastern moderate that helped him win twice in liberal New York City. Romney suffered the same rebranding issues. It&#8217;s hard to stand out when you&#8217;re repeating the same nonsensical talking points as the evolution deniers and the immigrant haters.</p>
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		<title>By: tdawg11870</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right franco.  

He believed his own press just the same way Palin believes her cloying victim narrative.  That&#039;s what happens when you surround yourself with yes-men.  A bipartisan disease, made worse in the era of RINO hunters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right franco.  </p>
<p>He believed his own press just the same way Palin believes her cloying victim narrative.  That&#8217;s what happens when you surround yourself with yes-men.  A bipartisan disease, made worse in the era of RINO hunters.</p>
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		<title>By: Cforchange</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudy is a total class act public servant - he does not fit the party any more.  Besides the sect,  who generally does?

Dinosaur&#039;s and burnt toast - that would be the ever narrowing GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudy is a total class act public servant &#8211; he does not fit the party any more.  Besides the sect,  who generally does?</p>
<p>Dinosaur&#8217;s and burnt toast &#8211; that would be the ever narrowing GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi is a dinosaur on  well done toast.


His biggest mistake was not uttering 9/11 a million times. It was siting the NYC disaster response unit in the WTC. What a stupid move that was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi is a dinosaur on  well done toast.</p>
<p>His biggest mistake was not uttering 9/11 a million times. It was siting the NYC disaster response unit in the WTC. What a stupid move that was.</p>
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		<title>By: franco 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tdawg11870, 

Good points. And it was why I was against his nomination I knew he would get creamed in the general election.

What happened to Rudy? Rudy believed his own press. After 9/11  the media needed a hero and it wasn&#039;t going to be Bush. Rudy did a good job . ( I believe it is quite easy for someone who is basically competent to handle a crisis well because everyone is pulling in the same direction)

Then Rudy got awards and became an international management consultant and, of course constantly in his capacity selling and consulting, referred to 9/11. It was just a habit, OK with different audiences around the world, but tiresome here in the USA.

Rudy became another tone deaf Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tdawg11870, </p>
<p>Good points. And it was why I was against his nomination I knew he would get creamed in the general election.</p>
<p>What happened to Rudy? Rudy believed his own press. After 9/11  the media needed a hero and it wasn&#8217;t going to be Bush. Rudy did a good job . ( I believe it is quite easy for someone who is basically competent to handle a crisis well because everyone is pulling in the same direction)</p>
<p>Then Rudy got awards and became an international management consultant and, of course constantly in his capacity selling and consulting, referred to 9/11. It was just a habit, OK with different audiences around the world, but tiresome here in the USA.</p>
<p>Rudy became another tone deaf Republican.</p>
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