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		<title>By: David Frum’s Got It Wrong Again (NewsReal Blog) &#8211; by David Horowitz &#124; FrontPage Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cornel-wests-heartbreak/comment-page-2#comment-68237</link>
		<dc:creator>David Frum’s Got It Wrong Again (NewsReal Blog) &#8211; by David Horowitz &#124; FrontPage Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is David Frum pretending that the Obama administration is less radical than it is? Just because an intellectual [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SpartacusIsNotDead</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cornel-wests-heartbreak/comment-page-2#comment-67007</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz wrote:   &quot;My main complaint with the GM bailout is that it uses tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money for something that (unlike the credit markets or the aerospace industry) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with U.S. national interest.&quot;

Ok.  That&#039;s a legitimate argument based on the merits of the loans themselves, but it is certainly conflicts with your comment @ #18 in which you say GM should have gotten loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz wrote:   &#8220;My main complaint with the GM bailout is that it uses tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money for something that (unlike the credit markets or the aerospace industry) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with U.S. national interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok.  That&#8217;s a legitimate argument based on the merits of the loans themselves, but it is certainly conflicts with your comment @ #18 in which you say GM should have gotten loans.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escapevelocity: &lt;blockquote&gt; Its likely that we see GM as the sole supplier of Government vehicles at a minimum. Then we will see protections, taxes, and tariffs to protect GM. We already see GM offering the never before in history incentive of 6 months money back gaurantee (the Government is backing them, not GM or the UAW). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess this is the liberals&#039; &quot;public option&quot; for automobiles.  :-)

Which will be no better than the liberals&#039; &quot;public option&quot; for health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escapevelocity:  Its likely that we see GM as the sole supplier of Government vehicles at a minimum. Then we will see protections, taxes, and tariffs to protect GM. We already see GM offering the never before in history incentive of 6 months money back gaurantee (the Government is backing them, not GM or the UAW). </p>
<p>I guess this is the liberals&#8217; &#8220;public option&#8221; for automobiles.  <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Which will be no better than the liberals&#8217; &#8220;public option&#8221; for health care.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cornel-wests-heartbreak/comment-page-2#comment-66967</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thems Blue and Purple States....elections are coming soon....the gravy train will never stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thems Blue and Purple States&#8230;.elections are coming soon&#8230;.the gravy train will never stop.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/cornel-wests-heartbreak/comment-page-2#comment-66966</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and create jobs for American Workers.

Sinz has once again sailed it out of the park.

Its likely that we see GM as the sole supplier of Government vehicles at a minimum.  Then we will see protections, taxes, and tariffs to protect GM.  We already see GM offering the never before in history incentive of 6 months money back gaurantee (the Government is backing them, not GM or the UAW).

Its a shame, because GM was successful in every other market.  Its North American devision, was run into the ground by the UAW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and create jobs for American Workers.</p>
<p>Sinz has once again sailed it out of the park.</p>
<p>Its likely that we see GM as the sole supplier of Government vehicles at a minimum.  Then we will see protections, taxes, and tariffs to protect GM.  We already see GM offering the never before in history incentive of 6 months money back gaurantee (the Government is backing them, not GM or the UAW).</p>
<p>Its a shame, because GM was successful in every other market.  Its North American devision, was run into the ground by the UAW.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spartacusisnotdead:  &lt;blockquote&gt; So is the main complaint with the GM bailout is that the Democratic party may benefit because union workers did not have their wages slashed? How childish and petty has conservatism become? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
NO.

My main complaint with the GM bailout is that it uses tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money for something that (unlike the credit markets or the aerospace industry) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with U.S. national interest.

GM is finished, kaput.  It exists under U.S. government ownership indefinitely because it can&#039;t produce cars Americans want to buy.  (In 2006, Consumer Reports stated that ALL TEN of their ten top-rated cars were from Japanese auto makers.)

So exactly what are we taxpayers paying for? We&#039;re paying to give GM workers make-work jobs so they can continue to build the same crappy, unsellable cars they&#039;ve been selling till now.  And GM will never, never, get privatized again.  It&#039;s a permanent &quot;zombie&quot; corporation, a national embarrassment that Obama can&#039;t pull the plug on without alienating his AFL-CIO supporters.

There is NO NATIONAL INTEREST, none whatsoever, in spending zillions of dollars to keep GM workers drawing paychecks.  The worst that would happen, if GM flopped under Chapter 7, is that those assets would be sold off--to Japanese or European automakers--and maybe THOSE managers could figure out how to build cars that Americans want to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spartacusisnotdead:   So is the main complaint with the GM bailout is that the Democratic party may benefit because union workers did not have their wages slashed? How childish and petty has conservatism become?<br />
NO.</p>
<p>My main complaint with the GM bailout is that it uses tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money for something that (unlike the credit markets or the aerospace industry) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with U.S. national interest.</p>
<p>GM is finished, kaput.  It exists under U.S. government ownership indefinitely because it can&#8217;t produce cars Americans want to buy.  (In 2006, Consumer Reports stated that ALL TEN of their ten top-rated cars were from Japanese auto makers.)</p>
<p>So exactly what are we taxpayers paying for? We&#8217;re paying to give GM workers make-work jobs so they can continue to build the same crappy, unsellable cars they&#8217;ve been selling till now.  And GM will never, never, get privatized again.  It&#8217;s a permanent &#8220;zombie&#8221; corporation, a national embarrassment that Obama can&#8217;t pull the plug on without alienating his AFL-CIO supporters.</p>
<p>There is NO NATIONAL INTEREST, none whatsoever, in spending zillions of dollars to keep GM workers drawing paychecks.  The worst that would happen, if GM flopped under Chapter 7, is that those assets would be sold off&#8211;to Japanese or European automakers&#8211;and maybe THOSE managers could figure out how to build cars that Americans want to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: David Frum&#8217;s Got It Wrong Again &#171; NewsReal Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Frum&#8217;s Got It Wrong Again &#171; NewsReal Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell do F22&#039;s have to do with whether or not the GM decision was in fact a handout to the UAW (which it wasn&#039;t)?

I love a world where defense contractors are held up as the paragon of American capitalistic virtue.  Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell do F22&#8217;s have to do with whether or not the GM decision was in fact a handout to the UAW (which it wasn&#8217;t)?</p>
<p>I love a world where defense contractors are held up as the paragon of American capitalistic virtue.  Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you&#039;re asking for is not subsidy - but relief of trade restrictions. That would be consistent with a small government/anti-socialism ideology.

I&#039;ve read a number of your comments today ... so yeah, I have had a double helping of stupid.  Perhaps even a triple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you&#8217;re asking for is not subsidy &#8211; but relief of trade restrictions. That would be consistent with a small government/anti-socialism ideology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a number of your comments today &#8230; so yeah, I have had a double helping of stupid.  Perhaps even a triple.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If others are drooling for them … why would the free market not produce them without government subsidy? --- balconesfault

Restrictions on trade for National Security reasons.

Did you have a double helping of stupid today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If others are drooling for them … why would the free market not produce them without government subsidy? &#8212; balconesfault</p>
<p>Restrictions on trade for National Security reasons.</p>
<p>Did you have a double helping of stupid today?</p>
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