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		<title>By: Syrah</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/come-back-charles-johnson/comment-page-5#comment-75721</link>
		<dc:creator>Syrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let Charles go.

Let him find his own path.

We do not have to travel on it with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let Charles go.</p>
<p>Let him find his own path.</p>
<p>We do not have to travel on it with him.</p>
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		<title>By: WillyP</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worth noting that &quot;intellectuals&quot; are often the most wrong, for they are clever enough to justify their bad/immoral assumptions.  That being said, I do appreciate people who are able to explain their political beliefs back to the axiomatic assumptions.  I do not find the left&#039;s assumptions correct, although I could not deny the ability of clever people to form an intelligent (albeit, ultimately wrong) argument.

If it is true that there are more left intellectuals than right intellectuals, I believe it can be said to be equally true that the right intellectuals are far more respectful of traditional morality.

VDH is surely one of the best out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worth noting that &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; are often the most wrong, for they are clever enough to justify their bad/immoral assumptions.  That being said, I do appreciate people who are able to explain their political beliefs back to the axiomatic assumptions.  I do not find the left&#8217;s assumptions correct, although I could not deny the ability of clever people to form an intelligent (albeit, ultimately wrong) argument.</p>
<p>If it is true that there are more left intellectuals than right intellectuals, I believe it can be said to be equally true that the right intellectuals are far more respectful of traditional morality.</p>
<p>VDH is surely one of the best out there.</p>
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		<title>By: grimbleGrumble</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Johnson has a lot of haters and detractors, as evidenced here. But his fanaticism in 2001-2004 brought on loonies and now he is trying to shed them. His immoderate speech regarding Islam cannot be whitewashed by his high-minded puritanical approach to blogging today. Charles, admit you trucked in hate speech almost as bad as Robert Stacy McCain or any of the others, and we will take you more seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Johnson has a lot of haters and detractors, as evidenced here. But his fanaticism in 2001-2004 brought on loonies and now he is trying to shed them. His immoderate speech regarding Islam cannot be whitewashed by his high-minded puritanical approach to blogging today. Charles, admit you trucked in hate speech almost as bad as Robert Stacy McCain or any of the others, and we will take you more seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Boogliodemus_2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too poor Charles:
WAAAAAHHHH. Quit being a jackoff and start being a man. We cut you a little slack for the feminizing affect of your prostate treatments, but dude, RELAX, you have a big site, don&#039;t blow it with your vanity. Stop trying to be a photographer, get back to your roots. Quit acting like a foreigner. Ya had a good start, &quot;go back to where you once belonged&quot;. You&#039;ll be OK and happy again. I promise ya!
BUT FIRST: YOU NEED TO MAKE THE APOLOGIA. Don&#039;t worry, we all know it&#039;s coming, just make it snappy, would ya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too poor Charles:<br />
WAAAAAHHHH. Quit being a jackoff and start being a man. We cut you a little slack for the feminizing affect of your prostate treatments, but dude, RELAX, you have a big site, don&#8217;t blow it with your vanity. Stop trying to be a photographer, get back to your roots. Quit acting like a foreigner. Ya had a good start, &#8220;go back to where you once belonged&#8221;. You&#8217;ll be OK and happy again. I promise ya!<br />
BUT FIRST: YOU NEED TO MAKE THE APOLOGIA. Don&#8217;t worry, we all know it&#8217;s coming, just make it snappy, would ya?</p>
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		<title>By: Marxeocon Correct&#8217;s Frum&#8217;s Propaganda But Goofs on Kipling &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marxeocon Correct&#8217;s Frum&#8217;s Propaganda But Goofs on Kipling &#124; Conservative Heritage Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] caught Frum goofing on propaganda 101: Frum quotes a real conservative! Kipling, along with the rest of the right, is supposed to fall down the memory [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] caught Frum goofing on propaganda 101: Frum quotes a real conservative! Kipling, along with the rest of the right, is supposed to fall down the memory [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SpartacusIsNotDead</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpartacusIsNotDead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz,  

You did not address my central point, which is that when conservative presidents translated their conservative ideology into actual governmental policy, it failed miserably. 

The issue is not whether some liberal college professors somewhere are highly critical of America&#039;s shortcomings.  Nor is the issue whether Reagan has received sufficient credit for his part in the Cold War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz,  </p>
<p>You did not address my central point, which is that when conservative presidents translated their conservative ideology into actual governmental policy, it failed miserably. </p>
<p>The issue is not whether some liberal college professors somewhere are highly critical of America&#8217;s shortcomings.  Nor is the issue whether Reagan has received sufficient credit for his part in the Cold War.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Dec 2, 2009 at 6:21 pm 

.....Sinz I re read the book when I was on holiday in Italy this summer.....his conclusion was that anti intellectualism was endemic in the GOP base......clearly he didn&#039;t mean Nelson Rockefeller but we&#039;re not talking about Lindsey Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Dec 2, 2009 at 6:21 pm </p>
<p>&#8230;..Sinz I re read the book when I was on holiday in Italy this summer&#8230;..his conclusion was that anti intellectualism was endemic in the GOP base&#8230;&#8230;clearly he didn&#8217;t mean Nelson Rockefeller but we&#8217;re not talking about Lindsey Graham</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbs: &lt;blockquote&gt; Hofstadter’s Anti Intellectualism in American Life &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hofstadter was not referring to the mainstream Republican Party of his day.  In 1964, the Republican Party had such powerful mainstream men as Javits, Rockefeller, etc.  Hofstadter wasn&#039;t even referring to Goldwater or Nixon. 

Hofstadter traced the anti-intellectualism through American life to before there even was a Republican Party.  In Hofstadter&#039;s time, he probably meant the &lt;i&gt;radical right&lt;/i&gt;--the John Birch Society and the racialist right like the KKK.

What has happened is that the two major parties have become polarized, with a peacenik and libertine post-vietnam Left having heavy influence in the Dem Party, and a Religious Right having heavy influence in the GOP.

It&#039;s become harder and harder to be a hawk or pro-life in the Dem Party.  Just ask Casey or Lieberman.

It&#039;s become harder and harder to uphold secularism in the GOP.  Just ask  Charles Johnson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbs:  Hofstadter’s Anti Intellectualism in American Life </p>
<p>Hofstadter was not referring to the mainstream Republican Party of his day.  In 1964, the Republican Party had such powerful mainstream men as Javits, Rockefeller, etc.  Hofstadter wasn&#8217;t even referring to Goldwater or Nixon. </p>
<p>Hofstadter traced the anti-intellectualism through American life to before there even was a Republican Party.  In Hofstadter&#8217;s time, he probably meant the radical right&#8211;the John Birch Society and the racialist right like the KKK.</p>
<p>What has happened is that the two major parties have become polarized, with a peacenik and libertine post-vietnam Left having heavy influence in the Dem Party, and a Religious Right having heavy influence in the GOP.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s become harder and harder to be a hawk or pro-life in the Dem Party.  Just ask Casey or Lieberman.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s become harder and harder to uphold secularism in the GOP.  Just ask  Charles Johnson.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SpartacusIsNotDead:  As David Frum pointed out,
conservatives can take genuine pride in their steadfast refusal to go along with the liberal lament that &quot;America is in inevitable decline&quot; hand-wringing in the 1970s following Vietnam.  You don&#039;t really want to get into a debate with me about how liberals felt so comfortable about allegedly &quot;inevitable&quot; American decline.  I will point out again and again that this declinism was nothing but a rationalization for their own neurotic guilt complexes about the country they were born into.  And I have numerous examples.

Liberals will never give Reagan any credit for bringing the Cold War to a peaceful conclusion with America dominant.  That&#039;s because they really don&#039;t like the way it turned out.  

The question is this:  Is genuine pride in America and her accomplishments incompatible with intellectual thought?  Left-wing intellectuals say so, all the time.  They have this &quot;one-world&quot; complex that believes that patriotic pride is either the last refuge of scoundrels or genuinely dangerous.

We on the Right disagree.

Leave one-worldism for Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpartacusIsNotDead:  As David Frum pointed out,<br />
conservatives can take genuine pride in their steadfast refusal to go along with the liberal lament that &#8220;America is in inevitable decline&#8221; hand-wringing in the 1970s following Vietnam.  You don&#8217;t really want to get into a debate with me about how liberals felt so comfortable about allegedly &#8220;inevitable&#8221; American decline.  I will point out again and again that this declinism was nothing but a rationalization for their own neurotic guilt complexes about the country they were born into.  And I have numerous examples.</p>
<p>Liberals will never give Reagan any credit for bringing the Cold War to a peaceful conclusion with America dominant.  That&#8217;s because they really don&#8217;t like the way it turned out.  </p>
<p>The question is this:  Is genuine pride in America and her accomplishments incompatible with intellectual thought?  Left-wing intellectuals say so, all the time.  They have this &#8220;one-world&#8221; complex that believes that patriotic pride is either the last refuge of scoundrels or genuinely dangerous.</p>
<p>We on the Right disagree.</p>
<p>Leave one-worldism for Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WillyP:  &lt;blockquote&gt;And the liberals are all erudite sophisticates? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Liberals dominate the faculties of all Ivy League universities.  Even at M.I.T., the political science department leans sharply left, under the stewardship of John Tirman, who was a New Left student radical in the 1960s and who hasn&#039;t mellowed much since then.

And there is a palpable leftward political bias among scientists.  It&#039;s been that way since at least 1945 when the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists began publication.

When William F. Buckley Jr. wrote &quot;God and Man at Yale,&quot; he was only 26 years old.  He founded National Review at age 30.

Carter&#039;s failures and Reagan&#039;s successes made conservatism popular among young people of the 1980s. But these young conservatives didn&#039;t go into the humanities.  Most of them went into business.

What conservatives have failed to do, is grow a new generation of young intellectuals, intellectuals who are schooled in the classics and in history and in rhetoric.  Young conservatives who uphold science rather than rail against &quot;pointy-headed intellectuals.&quot;  Young conservatives who can take on their left-wing counterparts at our major universities in an open debate and actually win.  Victor Davis Hanson carries on the tradition nearly alone, as far as I can tell.  And he&#039;s not getting any younger either.

As a result, the philosophical basis of conservatism is decaying.  Christian fundamentalism is becoming the philosophical basis almost by default.  And that&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WillyP:  And the liberals are all erudite sophisticates?<br />
Liberals dominate the faculties of all Ivy League universities.  Even at M.I.T., the political science department leans sharply left, under the stewardship of John Tirman, who was a New Left student radical in the 1960s and who hasn&#8217;t mellowed much since then.</p>
<p>And there is a palpable leftward political bias among scientists.  It&#8217;s been that way since at least 1945 when the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists began publication.</p>
<p>When William F. Buckley Jr. wrote &#8220;God and Man at Yale,&#8221; he was only 26 years old.  He founded National Review at age 30.</p>
<p>Carter&#8217;s failures and Reagan&#8217;s successes made conservatism popular among young people of the 1980s. But these young conservatives didn&#8217;t go into the humanities.  Most of them went into business.</p>
<p>What conservatives have failed to do, is grow a new generation of young intellectuals, intellectuals who are schooled in the classics and in history and in rhetoric.  Young conservatives who uphold science rather than rail against &#8220;pointy-headed intellectuals.&#8221;  Young conservatives who can take on their left-wing counterparts at our major universities in an open debate and actually win.  Victor Davis Hanson carries on the tradition nearly alone, as far as I can tell.  And he&#8217;s not getting any younger either.</p>
<p>As a result, the philosophical basis of conservatism is decaying.  Christian fundamentalism is becoming the philosophical basis almost by default.  And that&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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