What cooling? Do you mean that because our increasingly rising temperature are still below the anomalous high temp year of 1998, they are dropping? That’s ignorance at a massive scale.

“It was also computer code that shows that the data was manipulated so that it looked much worse than it is. ”

Since you have obviously reviewed the raw code, could you please post a link?

However….here’s a link that rebuts his beliefs..and within the article cites other scientists who rebut Prof Lindgren’s conclusions. http://www.terrapass.com/blog/posts/lindzen-and-sci

So where does America go from here?

We must demand an independent panel so we can assess where America goes from here. Is it prudent to do nothing, or little? Or is it prudent to do more? In a way, there is a silver lining to the climategate cloud….now that the fudging has been shown in the light of day, perhaps now there will be more effort to stop the propagandizing from the political aisles.

It is for our children and our children’s children that we should do this…and get it right.

What we have is computer models. That’s what is at the heart of the AGW evidence. The same computer models failed to predict the cooling we have had in the last 12 years. Now the same people who failed to predict the cooling that has occurred since 1998, are using the same models to predict increasing temperatures in 2030 or whatever. In case, we are looking at temperatures in the last 150 years. Do you know how old the earth is? 150 years represent a second in a movie. Sorry. The science IS NOT settled.

Number one, we need to review all the science before radical legislation that will cripple our economy is undertaken. The ice has melted before and I am not sure that we can do anything about it. Still, we need to be good stewarts of the planet and work towards new forms of energy. Annie please read this article written by an meteorology professor at MIT.

The Climate Science Isn’t Settled

The ice is melting.

And it endangers our planet and us at our peril. No, chekote, it won’t happen in the next couple of years, but it will happen in our lifetime. I don’t have a doubt about it. All the other mishmash of propagandizing, or it is all a ‘hoax’ is nonsense to the max.

Here’s EPA’s today’s story: http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/12/07/epa-greenhouse-gases-hazardous-to-your-health.html

The rates of asthma and allergies are skyrocketing in this country, and a huge increase in these in children.

From the link above:

Using state-of-the-art observational datasets and results from a large archive of computer mode simulations, a consortium of scientists from 12 different institutions has resolved a long-standing conundrum in climate science – the apparent discrepancy between simulated and observed temperature trends in the tropics.

Another of Plime’s arguments were presented by a reporter to a list of climate scientists, and 7 shot it down immediately.

I think the problem with climate change denialists is that they cite evidence put forth by one person or maybe a few people, and think it’s a full counterbalance to the evidence put forth by hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists.

Another problem is the quoting of “science” coming from popular articles, internet posts, and books. Until Plimer’s views have been printed in one or more peer reviewed journals, providing for rebuttal by other climate scientists, it’s just opinion. It’s not science. Over 300 “scientific” papers were produced by the tobacco industry “proving” that cigarette smoke was not harmful. None were peer reviewed.

The anti-science is the people who have been distorting data, peer-review process in order to get grants. Do yourself a favor and check out the science. It doesn’t support the alarmist case.

But I hope you guys realize you’re really doubling down on the anti-science here; even the tobacco-loving Senators of old never attacked the oncologists for making up the linkage between cigarettes and lung cancer.

The science is not overwhelming. Human contribution is negligible. Here is a biblography for you:

Human Induced Climate Change – Ian Plimer (part 1 of 5)</a)

Human Induced Climate Change – Ian Plimer (part 2 of 5)

Human Induced Climate Change – Ian Plimer (part 3 of 5)

Human Induced Climate Change – Ian Plimer (part 4 of 5)

Human Induced Climate Change – Ian Plimer (part 5 of 5)

Here is a report that deals with the information that has been released by the hackers. It goes beyond e-mails using the word “trick”:

Climategate