Cheney: Obama “One-Term President”

February 18th, 2010 at 1:25 pm | 41 Comments |

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Liz Cheney just announced that her father, Dick Cheney, is coming up to speak at CPAC 2010. This was not on the schedule.  Bloggers row was quickly abandoned as everyone streamed out. The Marriot Ballroom exploded into a chant of “Cheney!” and one attendee yelled “Four More Years!”

Cheney’s first words? “Oh knock it off… Buts that almost enough to make me run for office…” Cheney’s opening is greeted with even louder cheers and applause.

And then the clincher: “But I won’t”

The audience sighs but applauds. Cheney goes into his speech, declaring that Barack Obama is a one-term President.

As he closes out his speech he gets the biggest applause so far, and remains the only speaker who successfully emptied out bloggers row.



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41 Comments so far ↓

  • sparty

    Did he fess up to any more felonies?

  • DFL

    Conservatives need to get Cheney’s face off the TV. President Obama’s ratings go up every time Cheney’s ugly mug fouls the airwaves. The support Cheney receives is just another sign that conservative rah-rah sorts have already forgotten the crushing defeats of 2006 and 2008.

  • aDude

    I’m old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan’s approval rating was in the 30′s just 18 months before he carried 49 states.

  • GOProud

    You have to admit, Dick Cheney is class from Day One of retirement to now. And you have to love that the farLeft trolls here like to kick him even more than they like to make fun of Sarah Palin’s toddler, Trig.

    Sparty, I wonder what felonies you think the former Veep guilty of?

    DFL: “President Obama’s ratings go up every time Cheney’s ugly mug fouls the airwaves.” Wow, there’s DailyKos Lie #449… the truth is Cheney’s favorables go up 6-8-10 points each time he’s been dragged into the public arena by another whopping natl security lie by Obama.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/cheney.poll/

    DFL, you can’t tell the truth if we put the words in your mouth, could you? There’s a poll running right now on Cheney’s favorables from this weekend’s appearance on TV and LyinJoeBiden’s failure to man-up the former Veep. It appears Cheney’s favorables went up another 11% amongst all voters, including Democrats. Ouch.

    What was that about felonies? Maybe the farLeft trolls here need to think more about the fraud they’re passing off as truth instead of fantasy felonies spawned by MoveOn.

  • GOProud

    Reagan carried 49 states because the Democrats put up blank-stare, deer-in-the-headlights WallieMondale… heck, a dead Herbert Hoover could have beaten that old Democrat-Farm-Labor horse.

    Like Pres Reagan said, “Beating Mondale was a real possiblity for any Republican.”

  • GOProud

    Hey Noah, a new healdine for you….

    52% of American voters agree with Cheney; Obama doesn’t deserve a 2nd term.

  • TAZ

    Cheney is a drag on the party overall and should be asked to stay at home and play with the grandkids.

  • DFL

    aDud, I am old enough to remember John Glenn leading Roanld Reagan in the polls in late 1983. But things did change. Incumbents are difficult to defeat, especially those with winning personalities and a thriving economy. Reagan had both of those advantages in 1984. But will Obama?

  • GOProud

    You know that Cheney’s being too successful and threatening to the farLeft Obami when the trolls advise: “Cheney is a drag on the party…”

    Nawh, that would Bill Clinton –who is still fighting to rewrite history surrounding his Impeachment.

    Trolls giving advice to the GOP; love it.

  • kevin47

    “Conservatives need to get Cheney’s face off the TV. President Obama’s ratings go up every time Cheney’s ugly mug fouls the airwaves.”

    No they don’t. They have consistently trended downward, and only go back up when his major initiatives are out of the news cycle.

    Obama shares a lot more in common with Jimmy Carter than he does with Ronald Reagan. He seems far more likely to have a “malaise speech” moment than a “there you go again” moment.

  • sparty

    “Sparty, I wonder what felonies you think the former Veep guilty of?”

    18 USCS § 2340A, for one.

    “DFL: “President Obama’s ratings go up every time Cheney’s ugly mug fouls the airwaves.” Wow, there’s DailyKos Lie #449… the truth is Cheney’s favorables go up 6-8-10 points each time he’s been dragged into the public arena by another whopping natl security lie by Obama.”

    Sorry, Cheney’s favorability rating has stayed pretty constant throughout: in the mid to high 30s. http://www.pollingreport.com/C.htm.

    Using your logic (6-10 points “each time), wouldn’t Cheney be in the 70s by now?

    “http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/cheney.poll/”

    Yeah, I’d probably select a single poll from 8 months ago if I wanted to make a dishonest point.

    “DFL, you can’t tell the truth if we put the words in your mouth, could you? There’s a poll running right now on Cheney’s favorables from this weekend’s appearance on TV and LyinJoeBiden’s failure to man-up the former Veep. It appears Cheney’s favorables went up another 11% amongst all voters, including Democrats. Ouch.”

    So that poll would put Cheney’s favorables at about 48-50%? Well, since you’re previous dishonest point was that Cheney’s favorables go up 6-10 points “each time” he speaks, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that you’re relying on a poll that has not yet been released.

    “What was that about felonies? Maybe the farLeft trolls here need to think more about the fraud they’re passing off as truth instead of fantasy felonies spawned by MoveOn.”

    Inre: farLeft – Who do the unhinged always seem to think they’re making a Really Significant Point by Capitalizing Their Ideas? Maybe your “points” would have more impact if you started capitalizing Trolls? Something to think about.

  • Demosthenes

    Amazing that Cheney, who confessed to serious felonies (authorizing the use of illegal torture), is treated as some sort of hero. When did Conservatives morph into a bunch of law-ignoring radicals? Sickening.

  • DFL

    Kevin47 may be correct. However, it is amazing how close Carter came to winning reelection considering how inept he was as president. The Reagan-Carter debate created a mass swing to Reagan. Reagan was excellent in the debate and Carter reminded people in the center why he was no longer fit to sit in the Oval Office. Bringing Amy Carter into the debate brought Carter ridicule, a political no-no that Martha Coakley most recently displayed to her chagrin.

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  • Kanzeon

    DFL:

    “Carter reminded people in the center why he was no longer fit to sit in the Oval Office”

    So Reagan didn’t start a “conservative revolution?” He was a centrist running against someone far to the left?

    The fact is that Obama had the same problems that Obama has: he was too far to the right to please the base, particularly Ted Kennedy. Carter was a centrist.

  • mymy

    Just dropped in to say CHENEY IN 12 BRING BACK THE DARTH.Golly I miss that man

  • JonF

    Re: Reagan carried 49 states because the Democrats put up blank-stare, deer-in-the-headlights WallieMondale

    It wasn’t that personal. After their gains in 82 the Dems saw no problem with their antiquated liberalism, and so they ran a classic liberal in 84.
    That shoe is on the GOP foot now. If they make gains this year, they too may end up learning nothing and forgetting nothing– and getting their butts handed to them in 2012. Offering up warmed-over Bushism with a pretty new face is not going to cut it in 2012. And while there are some decent voices in the wilderness calling on the GOP to find a new path forward, I don’t see anyone in the electoral wing of the party ready to break ranks and try that.

  • anniemargret

    jonF: good points. I asked earlier in a thread regarding their Mt. Vernon ‘statements’ what exactly is *new* with the Republican party?

    Frankly, nothing. They are the exact same party from the Bush/Cheney years. David Frum obviously has been trying to bring them more to center right but they resist. Their insistence here that somehow anyone should bother listening to fear-monger-in-chief Cheney is testament to their moral decline.

    Cheney? This man who has a boatload of baggage, from his secretive Energy Task Force days to Halliburton millions and war, to CIA-agent outing, to ‘deficits don’t matter’ to his mendacious and deliberate conflation of 9/11 and Iraq to the American people to his present-day morally bankrupt defense of torture-at-will in the United States of America?

    And Liz Cheney calling Obama, “incompetent??” Really? Did she forget her Dad was part of the incompetent Bush administration on 9/11 that forgot to actually read the memo and take it seriously?

    Nope, the party hasn’t changed. So this is the *new* Republican party… Palin/Cheney/Romney along with the ever-present rabble-rousers Beck/Coulter/Limbaugh.

    Nasty as ever, vituperative, and morally bankrupt after all these years.

  • aDude

    One reason Reagan carried 49 states wasn’t just that Mondale seemed as fresh as week-old road kill, but that he seemed so particularly bland when compared to Jesse Jackson, who could rally the faithful to heights of ecstasy with his rhetoric. Who can forget his “Keep Hope Alive!” (It’s a sign of the Democrats masochism that they followed exactly the same script in 1988 and managed to carry all of ten states.)

    In 2012, the Republican nightmare is that we nominate a cure for chronic insomnia like Tim Pawlenty right after a rousing but ultimately unsuccessful primary fight with Palin, who will end up giving the best speech at the convention. There will be such a letdown among the hardcore right that they will stay home come November.

    The economy is already on an upward slope. At this point in 1982 the worst had yet to come. So economically Obama will be in a better position in 2012 than Reagan was in 1984.

    So ultimately the real question is whether we will have the courage to have a candidate who will speak the truth about Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid or if instead we break the record for how many times we say “teleprompter” per minute.

  • MR FACE

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/cpac-2010-updates-latest_n_467016.html

    5:15 PM — Gay GOP Group Has Presence At CPAC. After defeating protests and boycott attempts by prominent social conservative groups, a gay Republican organization called GOProud is attending CPAC today, Mother Jones reports. The conservative gay-friendly group already has 2,000 members and is growing. Its booth at the conference was separated by a single table from the National Organization for Marriage, the anti-gay marriage group, but there have been no reports of further drama.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/02/cpac-goes-gay

    In the run-up to this week’s Conservative Political Action Conference, right-wing Christian groups were incensed when they learned that the annual gathering of conservative activists would be co-sponsored by a gay Republican organization called GOProud. A collection of powerful social conservative groups threatened to derail the entire event with a boycott—and lost.

    Good for you GOProud. Now we know where your name comes from.

  • franco 2

    “Gay GOP Group Has Presence At CPAC. After defeating protests and boycott attempts by prominent social conservative groups,”

    Guess they weren’t that prominent then. MR FACE

  • franco 2

    I’m getting the impression Frum Forum doesn’t like CPAC.

    Can’t wait for the Frum Forum Convention. Held at Motel 6 Suites in Alexandria Va.
    Where bloggers row will be comprised of Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and the keynote address will be from Arlen Specter.

    Whoo Hoo!

  • GOProud

    (sigh) Annie-got-her-gun-again-and-loaded-it-with-blanks: ”And Liz Cheney calling Obama, “incompetent??” Really? Did she forget her Dad was part of the incompetent Bush administration on 9/11 that forgot to actually read the memo and take it seriously?”

    Why do you have such a hard time grasping the truth that Obama is an incompetent leader, Annie-with-da-blunderbuss?

    Even Obama’s farLeft darhhhlings think the Messiah messed up badly in bringing the Holy Tablet (nee, public option) down from the MountainTop (nee, Nancy Pelosi’s office), failed preaching its profound worth to the choir (Dem-controlled Senate), failed in explaining what the Holy Tablet meant for voters, failed in marshalling the liberal MSM in defense of the Holy Tablet, and then tried ever-so hard to Blame It All On Bush once again… that fabled Ox the Democrats try to gore at least once a week to rationalize the Messiah’s most recent failure(s).

    Just like you and your fellow farLeft trolls try here…. again, in yet one more thread.

    I get that you don’t think highly of Cheney. It’s just another instance where there’s a serious DISconnect by DYSfunctional Democrats with reality and the growing sense of American voters that Bush-Cheney were far, far, far better at almost everything presidential than the current corps of failures in leadership –Obama & Biden & gReid & Pelosi.

    Cheney’s right: Obama will be a one term president.

    Not because of snakeoil salesmen selling partisan dribble like your’s… but because he and his team FAILED miserably all on their precious own.

    Failed in making “jobs” and “fixing’ the economy. Making up numbers on the jobs created by Obama’s Spending Spree and then changing the standard from created jobs to “saved” jobs won’t help sell the Spree was and is a failure of epic, grand proportions.

    Failed on health care reform. Hat in hand, begging for help from the GOP will only make the farLeft resent Obama Messiah even more.

    Failed in Iraq and, I think, will have helped plunge the only arab democracy into sectarian violence after all the talent, treasure and lives Americans lost in bringing freedom to the Iraqis -just like Congressional Democrats did with South VietNam 35 years ago.

    Failed on Afghanistan by unconditionally retreating from the Taliban threat after adopting half-hearted a plan to surge troop levels there. Under Obama’s watch, his 1st year is one of the most successful years for the Taliban and terrorists ever. They were able to resurrect airliner terrorist bombers and nearly killed 261 passengers… and then Obama’s team responds with “Everything’s ok, the President will keep golfing, go on with your flying plans”.

    Failed on controlling the deficits and federal spending, enacting the single largest deficit in American history while claiming to stand against it… cue, John Kerry for a lesson in flip flopping with style.

    And failed in defending American from foreign threats by returning to a pre 9/11 mentality better suited for SlickWilly’s days of idling pendantries than a country and nation at war with terror.

    And the biggest failure Obama Messiah shares with all the Obami –including you– a fundamental incapacity to accept responsibility for the failures of their own making. “Just Blame Bush”, trashing Sarah Palin’s kids, tsk’ing Romney for being a Mormon won’t change the simple fact: 52% of Americans –and Dick Cheney– think Obama doesn’t deserve a 2nd term.

    Obama is looking more like JimmineyCricketCarter with each passing day. Maybe it’s too early to start carving that headstone… but it’s not too early to cheer on those selecting his epitaph– “He was a great campaigner, but a failure as president”.

  • DFL

    It would seem that CPAC kicked social conservatives to the curb to join hands with the sodomites of GOProud. No wonder Dick Cheney felt welcome at the event. Perhaps it is time to burn the “big tent” as social conservatives have been shown the tent flaps.

  • GOProud

    TeaBagg -part deux- offers @12: “Amazing that Cheney, who confessed to serious felonies (authorizing the use of illegal torture), is treated as some sort of hero. When did Conservatives morph into a bunch of law-ignoring radicals? Sickening.”

    Umm, waterboarding isn’t torture –except in the minds of ACLU types and America-haters hell bent on defending the rights of terrorists to kill fellow Americans… and a few Harvard law professors.

    Even the Obami DOJ under Holder now admit that key, vital intel was gained by the proper, LEGAL enhanced interrogation of KSM and two other terrorists in US custody. It’s why, when former veep Cheney called their bluffing BS, Obama-Holder-Gibbs retreated like schoolgirls grabbing their skirts in releasing the full text of the CIA-DOJ briefing document on the results of waterboarding. Silly politicians like Obama and Holder and Napolitano should have learned not to play tough guy with a real patriot and leader like Cheney.

    Vital, actionable intel from legal, authorized enhanced interrogation techniques. Something we didn’t get from mirandizing the Christmas Bomber 50 minutes after detainment.

    But for someone like you, protecting the rights of terrorists is just an extension of the failed judicial/social experiment of treating all criminals as victims rather than to begin to seek justice for the real victims of their criminal acts.

    BTW, when does the farLeft ACLU start their lawsuit to insure the federal makeover of Thomson Correctional Facility –which should be renamed Gitmo-Holder Memorial– gets a minaret? It would be a logical extension of the all nonsense handling of terrorists that the Obami think is a proper these days.

    Oh wait, they have to get the plan’s financing approved by the Dem controlled Senate, first. Yeah, good luck with that one. Gitmo may last thru the 4th year of Obama’s only term in office at this rate. Another failure in leadership done textbook style by the Chicago Thugs.

  • GOProud

    DFL writes: “It would seem that CPAC kicked social conservatives to the curb to join hands with the sodomites of GOProud.”

    Spoken like the true homophobe & bigot we knew you to be, DFL. Got any wisdom about uppity blacks for the faithful farLeft trolls here? Why is that liberals are the worst bigots on the block? I’m guessing it’s because hypocrisy is so easy for them.

    Here at CPAC I’ve had lots of great conversations with solid social conservatives. I agree with many –and former veep Dick Cheney– that gay marriage is a state issue and freedom for all means freedom for all. Too bad the Obami –Obama, Biden and others– can’t agree with Dick Cheney’s leadership on this issue.

    But then, trying to get a homophobic bigot like you to understand compassionate conservativism is like trying to get SlickWilly to admit he was impeached… it seems he can’t.

  • GOProud

    Mr Face offers: “Good for you GOProud. Now we know where your name comes from.”

    Wow, you really aren’t very bright, are you? But to open your mouth and prove it; stunning admission even for a dim bulb like you.

  • MR FACE

    GOProud – You do realize that the majority of your party doesn’t accept you for who you are and thinks you are disgusting. Thanks for the typical frothing name calling. It wouldn’t be you without it.

  • GOProud

    Mr Face/DFL/Demosthenes (pick a troll name), homophobic bigots like you exist in all sectors of society. When they get uncovered in the farLeft –a supposed bastion of tolerance and diversity– it’s perfectly appropriate, nay it is my duty, to call you out for your intolerance, bigotry and homophobia.

    You froth at the mouth and point to my name-calling? Kind of like Obama fighting against federal deficits and the natl debt after wracking up the largest one in history, no? You guys sure have hypocrisy nailed down as a family value. LOL!

    I’m surprised you still think the GOP hates gays or that the GOP thinks I am disgusting; it’s never been so, it just aint true. Have there been some farRight religious activists who target gay excesses as evidence of a decline in American societal values? Sure. But that was in the 1980s and when the Moral Majority was trying to get inside the GOP.

    And you think all GOPers hate gays? Is it because they don’t agree with a natl gay marriage standard enforced by the DOJ under a Hate Crimes Law? Hey, I know my fellow gays… I don’t think diluting marriage is a good idea either. Should I self-hate then under your phobic paranoia? “cause if that’s the advice from a bigot like you and your other troll identities, I’ve got some work to do on self-hate and self-loathing.

    I can tell you that the people I’ve met in GOP politics over 30 yrs have not been bigots like you and your trolling pals from the DailyKos. I’ve spent the last 3 days, once again, in the midst of the largest single gathering of conservatives outside a GOP Natl Convention and I haven’t heard –nor have my friends heard– a single bigoted, hateful comment. Heck, a few CPACs ago, the conference awarded a former gay porn star and hooker with an award… and Ann Coulter mugged publically with the awardee… famously.

    How hateful is that?

    I guess you’ve been projecting all that hate and bigotry toward gays onto those who you despise because they don’t share your pathologic phobia. Nor your politics. And that’s what it’s all about for you and the multi-named trolls here… political advantage thru the politics of personal destruction. Hillary would be proud you’ve learned her ways so well.

    Pity you. It’s a shame your hate controls you so successfully.

  • GOProud

    But even with all that diversion on your part… Dick Cheney is correct and 52% of all American voters agree with him: Obama is a one-termer.

    It’s a shame that none of the farLeft thread trolls here can stay on topic. Of course, I’m not sure I’d want that kind of information out in public, either.

    And’s it only Obama’s 1st year of incompetence and failed leadership.

    Imagine the numbers after another 12 months of same-old, same-old? The Obami better get a smarter swami to save the cult… on second thought, they need a svengali, not a swami.

  • sparty

    MR FACE:

    Let me respond for GOProud: You’re a Lefts Troll. Or a farLeft Troll. Or a Socialist. Well, to be honest, I can’t exactly place what you are – but I do know that – whatever you are – your name should be Capitalized, because this shows that I am A Very Serious Person with Very Serious Ideas. Sometimes, as further evidence of my seriousness, GOProud will go so far as to Capitalize a letter – get this – in the middle of a wOrd (see: farLeft)! This should be taken as an indication that the gloves are off, so to speak, and that he is Really SeRious. This is a similar to the tactic used by 13 year old boys when they replace the letter “e” with a “3″ or use “P” instead of “0,” as in “Pwed.” You know that when you’re labeled not only a Troll but a farLeft Troll, GOProud’s feelings towards you and your political ideology has reached a fevered pitch – picture the Hulk in mid-transformation – and he’s getting ready to throw things – rhetorically of course.

    Words mean a lot, you see, unless they come from a Marxist-Socialist-Statist (TM: Levin) President, in which case, words are nothing more than Empty Rhetoric from an Empty Suit. In any event, you’re a Troll.

  • MR FACE

    Wow. Major frothing alert from GOParanoid. Your crazed writing style makes it very hard to read and decipher what you are saying. What the hell are you talking about?

    I am not a bigot. Or homophobic. I am all for gays in every way. Equality in every way. I didn’t say all the GOP hates gays. I said the majority of your party doesn’t accept you for who you are. Which is true. That doesn’t mean I don’t accept you. Or gays. I do. Very much so. Your party and the “Christian base” are the ones who don’t accept gays, not me.

    It is comical to suggest that conservatives are more open and accepting to gays than liberals. Hysterically comical. But I guess when you live in the crazy wingnut fantasy world of Mi-Gopher I can understand.

    Sparty, hilarious commentary.

  • GOProud

    Hey sparty, nice try at the flipside of Mr Face’s personae but it doesn’t sell here anymore than you’ve tried selling it at DailyKos or DemocratUnderground. You’ve used the silly nonsense about capitalizing now under the labels of sparty, DFL, LFC and four other names. You really need a little black book to manage which label is employing which argument today. It’d help you with the internal consistency of message.

    By the way, Mr Face, I’m not the one who was all a’froth over some conservative gay GOPer and trying to make him hear the farLeft’s message that Republican gays should hate themselves for being a traitor to their liberal political pals and lecutre them on their inherent loyalities to the victimhood industry over at the DNC.

    That was you, pal. And the other names you use here… liberally. You may not agree, but most of the homophobes like you I’ve met have been liberals. Bigots all. Not so much as I was led to suspect on the GOP side or conservative side of the aisle.

    Well, hey, Saul Alinsky parting gifts for both of our farLeft trolls who try to use ridicule (once again, sigh) to dismiss a superior opinion that can’t be rebutted with truth or facts.

    What did you guys do before Saul Alinsky gave you his playbook? Did you just stick to reading Karl Marx?

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

  • GOProud

    By the way, Mr Face (et al), this game at trying to inflict some self-loathing shown here

    “GOProud – You do realize that the majority of your party doesn’t accept you for who you are and thinks you are disgusting. Thanks for the typical frothing name calling. It wouldn’t be you without it.”

    reminds me of the stunts I saw at some of the anti-war rallies on the Mall in DC in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Usually the stunts took the form of large posters made up by MoveOn and CodePink and SEIU goons and held aloft by burly looking women in flannel shirts and Herman Survivors (no sparty, that isn’t gratiutious capitalization… it’s a brand name of work boots favored by dykes).

    The posters defamed Bush and Cheney and Rove in the worst way the farLeft Democrats could imagine… showing them in PhotoShopped (no, not this time either sparty) homosexual acts. Other posters made fun of Bush holding the Saudi King’s hand while the elderly man walked down some steep steps… same thing with tags like “Kiss ‘em Bush, then let him f*ck you”.

    When I pointed out the incongruity of the message –gay people thinking the worst smear of someone they hate was to put them in gay positions– they seemed like deer caught in the headlights.

    Sort of like you getting caught playing the “why don’t you hate yourself for being involved with a Party that hates you” card.

    You’ve tried this very thing before at FF, Mr Face. It didn’t work then, even with 4-5-6 other names being posted to back you up.

    It doesn’t work now, either. Care to rethink the label of bigot? Because you’re right there with sparty and CodePink and MoveOn and the homophobes over at DemocratUnderground and DailyKos.

  • sparty

    GOProud:

    Let me condense your very well written responses:

    1) You’re posting under multiple names and I gottcha!
    2) Code Pink.
    3) Dems are homophobes!
    4) Saul Alinksy. I said – Saul Alinksy!
    5) Karl Marx
    6) sparty is a homophobe. Why? Because, I’m mad! GOProud MAD!!! ARGGGG!!!
    7) CodePink – again – for good measure.
    8) DemocraticUnderground and DailyKos!!!

    You’re welcome.

  • MR FACE

    GOParanoid is frothing because he knows I’m right and he’s wrong. He doesn’t know any better. It’s OK.

  • anniemargret

    GOPer: “I get that you don’t think highly of Cheney. It’s just another instance where there’s a serious DISconnect by DYSfunctional Democrats with reality and the growing sense of American voters that Bush-Cheney were far, far, far better at almost everything presidential than the current corps of failures in leadership –Obama & Biden & gReid & Pelosi.”

    Mr. GOPer…. if the unemployment rate steadily dips below 9.7%, (score 1) and continues to dip over the next three years (score 2), and if things continue to go well in Afghanistan (score 3), and if some type of healthcare reform passes, even if not totally satisfactory, (score 4 since your party has virtually nothing to offer seriously about it)…..

    ….. and if the Republicans continue their obstructionism on anything that Obama brings to the table (they will continue to look like the party of NO, score 5- they still score lower than Dems nationally)…

    ….not only will Americans continue to give a flip to the odious war criminal Mr. Cheney and the semi-odious Liz Cheney (both liars), the Republicans will be frantically trying to figure out how best to present Mr. Romney, since he looks, talks, and acts like the wealthy East Coast well-educated, articulate and slick businessman that he is, and how they are going to turn him into a pretzel away from his liberal social tendencies, (sometimes he is, sometimes he’s not, a real flip-flopper), and how he will play out with all the Palin ‘real Americans.”

    Carville is a smart cookie: it IS the economy! If it turns even slightly positive no one will give a hoot and a holler if Obama is the “Messiah” or not. Trust on that one. The GOP’s continued culture wars will look inane.

    China’s pulling our strings with the dollar, and that’s a real worry for our nation. Including their foresight to reducing, and then eliminating, non-renewable energy sources. Republicans are still slugging it out whether or not it is a good thing to get into green energy sources and away from the petro-dictators.

    Obama ‘failed in Iraq?” Wha??? Iraq can be laid neatly and cleanly on the laps of the two incompetents from the last administration. Forced democracy and regime change in the Middle East, under a banner of lies and deceit (+ torture) is the Bush/Cheney legacy . Period.

    I’ll concede two things to you, Mr. GOPer: first – you were correct that Brown won in MA more because of the incompetence and hatred that state had for Coakley (she being a walking disaster) and not a referendum on healthcare, since the majority of their citizens like it; Brown ran a smarter, more sincere compaign, and second… Obama and the Dems did a terrible job selling their product – the healthcare reform package from the get-go. I’m disappointed in that . But I give him high marks for addressing the issue that the Republicans shoved under the table.

    I am not sure where the heck you found I ‘trashed Palin’s kids” – I think your rabid hatred for Democrats and ‘liberal trolls’ has gotten your head swelled up with vituperation galore . I trashed Palin, yes… no apologies for that. Never trashed her kids. I could care less whether Romney is Mormon (again you accuse me of something I never said). In fact, my personal barometer for President doesn’t include religious bias. It is YOUR party that does that.

    If Obama serves one term, and does his best then I have no problem with it. MUCH better than two terms of another quasi-Bush/Cheney, which appears it is all that the GOP’s got now.

    ummmm…… waterboarding IS torture . It is illegal. It is immoral. They don’t teach it at West Point. Here’s the official military take on waterboarding:
    http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/12/3230108

    I stand with my fellow Americans who find support for torture in this country anathema to our principles and integrity as nation.

  • Jim_M

    M A S S A C H U S E T T S

  • anniemargret

    Jim_M: wasn’t that the BeeGees hit song in ’67?

  • kevin47

    “However, it is amazing how close Carter came to winning reelection considering how inept he was as president.”

    It wasn’t close at all. He lost by nearly ten points, even though Reagan saw 7.7% of the vote go to Anderson and Clark.

    Carter had the same problem Obama has exhibited. He believed that people fundamentally agreed with him, and that all he had to do was repackage his ideas and browbeat the populace into tolerating them. Contrast this with Bill Clinton, who understood that modulating policy was an important component of modulating the message.

    Clinton’s overall agenda was no more moderate than Carter’s, but Clinton is remembered as a moderate. He had an enormous gift for understanding how to sell small policy calibrations as grand compromises.

    I honestly don’t think Obama would know how to calibrate his initiatives, or which calibrations he could sell as compromises. He doesn’t seem to be very good at politics, and he has too high of a regard for himself to improve. Bill Clinton was always (to a fault, frankly) second guessing himself, and was willing to forge a corrective path. He was a perfectionist. Nobody would apply that term to Obama.

    It didn’t take a Ronald Reagan to beat Jimmy Carter. It was just our good fortune that he happened to be the one arriving on the scene. I think Mitt Romney could take Obama to the cleaners in 2012.

  • kevin47

    anniemargaret,

    One mistake the many liberals tend to make is to believe that the more strongly held the conviction, the more likely the voting populace will bend their perception. You have this in common with pro-life activists.

    People may not be in love with Dick Cheney, but the average person who disapproves of his performance doesn’t hate him anywhere near as much as you do. Further, they aren’t going to split the difference between their own relative apathy and your fury. Being adamant that Cheney is a murderous villain isn’t going to change the perception.

    Also, the obstructionist charge has never been politically effective against the minority. Hasn’t worked for either party, usually because that which is being “obstructed” is unpopular. If yes means something I don’t want to see happen, then I am going with the party of “no”. It’s along the lines of accusing leaders of skipping votes. Its just not something people care about.

    Frankly, I have no idea how you can get so ginned up by a well-worn political catch phrase. By all means, chant it all you like, but it doesn’t contribute to any dialogue and isn’t going to change anyone’s minds, and it’s just more crap that those of use who are actually talking to each other have to scroll past on their way to leaving a comment.