Comments on: Falsely Accused of Racism? Me Too http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: SFTor1 http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57315 SFTor1 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:00:04 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57315 sinz, the training of police forces vary from country to country. In England or France a police officer is considered a public servant. In the U.S. and Germany the cop is more of an enforcer. At any rate, a cop will act differently when inside a person's home. In this case the police was on the scene specifically to establish whether that home's security had been violated. Once you have established that everything is OK you get out. sinz, the training of police forces vary from country to country. In England or France a police officer is considered a public servant. In the U.S. and Germany the cop is more of an enforcer.

At any rate, a cop will act differently when inside a person’s home. In this case the police was on the scene specifically to establish whether that home’s security had been violated. Once you have established that everything is OK you get out.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57252 sinz54 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:42:46 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57252 tonymas sez: "call me crazy but my expectation would be that the cop show nothing but deference for me, the private homeowner." OK, you're crazy. :-) If you sass a cop, you deserve what you're going to get. That's been the unwritten rule since police forces were invented back in 17th century Europe. Professor Gates should be glad he lives in America. If he had acted that way in Singapore, he might have invited a public flogging. And guess what. He would have deserved it. tonymas sez: “call me crazy but my expectation would be that the cop show nothing but deference for me, the private homeowner.”

OK, you’re crazy. :-)

If you sass a cop, you deserve what you’re going to get. That’s been the unwritten rule since police forces were invented back in 17th century Europe.

Professor Gates should be glad he lives in America. If he had acted that way in Singapore, he might have invited a public flogging. And guess what. He would have deserved it.

]]> By: TonyMas http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57223 TonyMas Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:19:55 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57223 I respect law enforcement, but if a cop responding to an unsubstantiated, inaccurate, third-party tip-off accosted me in my own home, then call me crazy but my expectation would be that the cop show nothing but deference for me, the private homeowner. In fact, I would expect that the cop be nothing short of obsequious in handling the situation. In turn, I would also do my best to act respectful, but at the end of the day, it is the cop's mistake, not my own. Gates might have run his mouth, but that doesn't change the situation: The cops were called to his home in error, and therefore it is their mistake to remedy. The police force in any municipality works for the citizenry, not the other way around. I respect law enforcement, but if a cop responding to an unsubstantiated, inaccurate, third-party tip-off accosted me in my own home, then call me crazy but my expectation would be that the cop show nothing but deference for me, the private homeowner. In fact, I would expect that the cop be nothing short of obsequious in handling the situation. In turn, I would also do my best to act respectful, but at the end of the day, it is the cop’s mistake, not my own. Gates might have run his mouth, but that doesn’t change the situation: The cops were called to his home in error, and therefore it is their mistake to remedy. The police force in any municipality works for the citizenry, not the other way around.

]]> By: midcon http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57221 midcon Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:14:12 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57221 ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm midcon ……You get your legal knowledge from tv……..Law and order? ………..They dropped the charges because they were going to look totally ridiculous Actually, my channel lineup includes news, documentaries, CSPAN, and others as well as entertainment. So, yes I do use it to acquire information. And thanks for agreeing that DAs decide not to prosecute for many reasons, one of which is, as you pointed out, they would look totally ridiculous. My point remains that the fact that the DA dropped the charges is evidence of nothing and should not be used as a premise in any reasoning exercise. ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm midcon ……You get your legal knowledge from tv……..Law and order? ………..They dropped the charges because they were going to look totally ridiculous

Actually, my channel lineup includes news, documentaries, CSPAN, and others as well as entertainment. So, yes I do use it to acquire information.

And thanks for agreeing that DAs decide not to prosecute for many reasons, one of which is, as you pointed out, they would look totally ridiculous. My point remains that the fact that the DA dropped the charges is evidence of nothing and should not be used as a premise in any reasoning exercise.

]]> By: Spartacus http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57170 Spartacus Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:25:03 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57170 ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm "…………He has……he just doesn’t know it" Very funny and, unfortunately, very true. ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“…………He has……he just doesn’t know it”

Very funny and, unfortunately, very true.

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57167 ottovbvs Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:04:55 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57167 Spartacus // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm " to regain some credibility he would come clean." ............He has......he just doesn't know it Spartacus // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm
” to regain some credibility he would come clean.”

…………He has……he just doesn’t know it

]]> By: Spartacus http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57166 Spartacus Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:59:28 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57166 ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:51 pm "Surely you’ve figured out Sinz’s mindset by now…….what do you need?…..pictures?" I know, I know . . . I'm just hoping that in the interest of trying to regain some credibility he would come clean. ottovbvs // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:51 pm “Surely you’ve figured out Sinz’s mindset by now…….what do you need?…..pictures?”

I know, I know . . . I’m just hoping that in the interest of trying to regain some credibility he would come clean.

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57164 ottovbvs Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:52:23 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57164 sricher // Jul 25, 2009 at 5:57 pm "Time to go to grad school!" ........Law degree at Regent perhaps? sricher // Jul 25, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“Time to go to grad school!”

……..Law degree at Regent perhaps?

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57163 ottovbvs Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:51:28 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57163 Spartacus // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:41 pm ...........Surely you've figured out Sinz's mindset by now.......what do you need?.....pictures? Spartacus // Jul 25, 2009 at 6:41 pm

………..Surely you’ve figured out Sinz’s mindset by now…….what do you need?…..pictures?

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/charged-with-being-a-jerk/comment-page-1#comment-57162 ottovbvs Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:47:38 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8585#comment-57162 midcon // Jul 25, 2009 at 4:17 pm "I cannot imagine that anyone who reads or watches tv," .........You get your legal knowledge from tv........Law and order?...........They dropped the charges because they were going to look totally ridiculous putting one of Boston's most distinguished citizens, who also happens to be cripple, on trial for being unhappy about being hassled in his own home after producing evidence he was who he said he was.........Since Gates is a member of the grievance industry according to you he must have been disappointed at not having a "show trial" where all this could have been aired......personally I'm sorry they dropped the charges then Gates could have got due process.......there's nothing like a courtroom for exposing official inanity midcon // Jul 25, 2009 at 4:17 pm

“I cannot imagine that anyone who reads or watches tv,”

………You get your legal knowledge from tv……..Law and order?………..They dropped the charges because they were going to look totally ridiculous putting one of Boston’s most distinguished citizens, who also happens to be cripple, on trial for being unhappy about being hassled in his own home after producing evidence he was who he said he was………Since Gates is a member of the grievance industry according to you he must have been disappointed at not having a “show trial” where all this could have been aired……personally I’m sorry they dropped the charges then Gates could have got due process…….there’s nothing like a courtroom for exposing official inanity

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